WWII Europe

[Qwert]

by cairnswk on Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:12 pm

Qwert. have you got the xml done yet.
If you have, can you post an image with the armies on the map.
because there are a lot of terrtories that are really close together, i'd like to see an image with armies for 888 and 8888 on it.
the reason i ask for this, is that if someone is playing your map with BOB tunred on, and the army indicator on the map reads r124 (r for red) then you are going to need 4 spaces for each army.

If you haven't got the xml done, then can you use Arial 14 -> 888 numbers with black edge and hex #ff0000 to make artificial numbers.

doing this, will possibly solve a lot of the graphic space and placement issues for you to see that the map might experience.

I dont understand how people very fast forget mine map with 3 digit.
Now i heard that you create new demand 4 digit numbers,are you realy trying to eliminate these map or what. Why you need to see 4 digit numbers on map(these will be first time that someon demand to see 4 digit), 3 digit is hard to put but i manage that,but if you tell that these is rule when 4 digit numbers must fit,then i can abandoned map and some people will be very happy.

[Qwert]

here map with 3 digit, i posted these before but i erase to create more space on first page.

Click image to enlarge.

[cairnswk]

Now i heard that you create new demand 4 digit numbers,are you realy trying to eliminate these map or what. Why you need to see 4 digit numbers on map(these will be first time that someon demand to see 4 digit), 3 digit is hard to put but i manage that,but if you tell that these is rule when 4 digit numbers must fit,then i can abandoned map and some people will be very happy.

No i not trying to eliminate your map. stop being so defensive, i try to help you qwert.
When i make Das Schloss, after it go live, i look at map with BOB turned on and the map i look at one territory has 124 armies on it. When see in Bob, this make army number read w124.
This is why sometimes it is necessary to test for four digits.
This is not rule, but should be, because lot of players out there use BOB.
All you will have to do from the image i posted for you, is move some territory circles and some names. Have a look at the image i post for you, you see i try to help you.

[Qwert]

No i not trying to eliminate your map. stop being so defensive, i try to help you qwert.
When i make Das Schloss, after it go live, i look at map with BOB turned on and the map i look at one territory has 124 armies on it. When see in Bob, this make army number read w124.
This is why sometimes it is necessary to test for four digits.
This is not rule, but should be, because lot of players out there use BOB.
All you will have to do from the image i posted for you, is move some territory circles and some names. Have a look at the image i post for you, you see i try to help you.

Aim not defensive,but when you ask to see 4 digit,then i realy dont know do you want to help or something else. Do you honestly belive that 4 digit number can fit on map? Aim think can not fit. Thank good that these is not a rule,and that people will acept 3 digit map(expecialy mod). I hope that you Cairnswk will also accept 3 digit map view.

[yeti_c]

Hang on - 3 digits is the rule - 4 digits isn't -> Asking for 4 is a bit harsh.

Also - BOB doesn't do the colour codes - that is a Site Wide change that Lack included.

C.

[cairnswk]

Hang on - 3 digits is the rule - 4 digits isn't -> Asking for 4 is a bit harsh.

Also - BOB doesn't do the colour codes - that is a Site Wide change that Lack included.

C.

Oh. C, i'm not attacking your BOB, so i got it wrong, if it's something that lack deceloped....i don't care who did it.
All i am saying is that if Qwert wants to take into account this, then he can do 4 digits, it he doesn't then let it drop..... you guys decide, but at least i'll have the opportunity of saying 'i told you so' if someone comes back later and wants something done about it.
From now on i'll leave this map alone.

[yeti_c]

Hang on - 3 digits is the rule - 4 digits isn't -> Asking for 4 is a bit harsh.

Also - BOB doesn't do the colour codes - that is a Site Wide change that Lack included.

C.

Oh. C, i'm not attacking your BOB, so i got it wrong, if it's something that lack deceloped....i don't care who did it.
All i am saying is that if Qwert wants to take into account this, then he can do 4 digits, it he doesn't then let it drop..... you guys decide, but at least i'll have the opportunity of saying 'i told you so' if someone comes back later and wants something done about it.
From now on i'll leave this map alone.

Don't worry I know you're not attacking BOB... - that was merely a correction of the facts.

All I'm saying is that recently we upped the requirement for maps to be able to display 3 digits clearly - Qwert has shown he can do this - the only map where we said it should be 4 was DiM's City Mogul - because that has huge bonuses knocking about and is therefore quite likely to get to 4 numbers.

Asking for 4 seems to me to be a bit beyond the pail - and thus Qwert doesn't need to do it...

He's got plenty of other things he Does need to do - some of which I've already posted - but this shouldn't be one of them.

C.

[yeti_c]

here map with 3 digit, i posted these before but i erase to create more space on first page.

Click image to enlarge.

My only concern with this is "Lyon" to "LA" - could you move LA right 1 pixel?

C.

[Qwert]

My only concern with this is "Lyon" to "LA" - could you move LA right 1 pixel?

These is old version if you dont notice. Now these place is V4 and have more space to fit good.

Cairnswk
Oh. C, i'm not attacking your BOB, so i got it wrong, if it's something that lack deceloped....i don't care who did it.
All i am saying is that if Qwert wants to take into account this, then he can do 4 digits, it he doesn't then let it drop..... you guys decide, but at least i'll have the opportunity of saying 'i told you so' if someone comes back later and wants something done about it.
From now on i'll leave this map alone.

I dont know why you angry, 4 digit number only cause problems-look North Italy,Western Germany Vichy france,they can not fit and names is imposible to see. 3 digit is mine goal and that i will manage to fit. If Aor have huge bonuses,then these is maybe require,but here you have normal bonuses,and not need 4 digit.

[yeti_c]

My only concern with this is "Lyon" to "LA" - could you move LA right 1 pixel?

These is old version if you dont notice. Now these place is V4 and have more space to fit good.

OK - That's good then - and apologies for getting wrong version on that issue...

Just to remind you - did you see my other post with some suggestions for you?

C.

[Qwert]

OK - That's good then - and apologies for getting wrong version on that issue...

Just to remind you - did you see my other post with some suggestions for you?

Its these some old sugestion? In last week i get tons sugestions,and maybe i dont see some,please remind me if you want.

[Qwert]

new MAJOR update,now i realy think that Bonus legend is fit in right place,and that is good readabile.
With Siegfried Defence Inset and with North italy inset,i solve problem with most cramped areas,also explanation box fit good to.In north italy inset i add what WTF means-Western Task Force(now people can not be confused thinking that WTF means something bad).Adding to Siegfried defence plan part with Paris(f1) i solve problem who can be and now people can see what is bordering of these territory.
I think that now all major problem is solve and fix.
If i dont see something then you are here to look what mising.
I hope that people will like new order on map(its very similar to World 2.1)
Well i think that these deserve small

Click image to enlarge.

[whitestazn88]

it looks much better qwert. very nice update

[yeti_c]

Territory labels...

Are looking a lot better...

Wondering why you need "SA" for "Stalingrad Army" when "S" isn't used...

Also - for the V labels - you could lower case the V i.e. "vL" - might give you a bit more space?

The legend I think is looking a bit better with the new space - but I think it could be better spaced a bit - the gaps between the 3 are a bit inconsistent?

North Italy is also missing it's army circles?

C.

Last post - Most of it is still valid...

C.

PS - might as well remove the french flag from the title - they didn't do any fighting in this war?!

[pamoa]

two minor points:

can you make a cleaner lower right angle at the north italy inset box, square would be better but at least one line not a scaled one
please can you put swiss cross vertical, even smaller but vertical

PS - might as well remove the french flag from the title - they didn't do any fighting in this war?!

I really hope your just kidding !

[Qwert]

yeti_c wrote:
Territory labels...

Are looking a lot better...

1.Wondering why you need "SA" for "Stalingrad Army" when "S" isn't used...

2.Also - for the V labels - you could lower case the V i.e. "vL" - might give you a bit more space?

3.The legend I think is looking a bit better with the new space - but I think it could be better spaced a bit - the gaps between the 3 are a bit inconsistent?

4.North Italy is also missing it's army circles?
Last post most of it is still valid

1.S whas used for Siegfried defence before,and its whas not so good readabile with numbers,and that why i replace S with D,that why SA is much better readabile then S,and means Stalingrad Army,and i dont se any reason why SA is not valid option.
2.More space?Where you see that aim dont have enough space in Vichy France?
3. Now i realy need some Graphical view to better understand what you mean.
4. Its a same like sigfried defence ,you have North italy inset because these country is to small and look cramped to put Army circles,so people will use N orth Italy inset to play.

PS - might as well remove the french flag from the title - they didn't do any fighting in this war?!

Its a joke right?

pamoa
two minor points:

can you make a cleaner lower right angle at the north italy inset box, square would be better but at least one line not a scaled one
please can you put swiss cross vertical, even smaller but vertical

I use original images from Western Front map,so i dont understand why swiss now bothering you,and in original people dont have any complaining.
Can you explane me more these thing with North Italy inset,i dont understand what you mean.

[yeti_c]

yeti_c wrote:
Territory labels...

Are looking a lot better...

1.Wondering why you need "SA" for "Stalingrad Army" when "S" isn't used...

2.Also - for the V labels - you could lower case the V i.e. "vL" - might give you a bit more space?

3.The legend I think is looking a bit better with the new space - but I think it could be better spaced a bit - the gaps between the 3 are a bit inconsistent?

4.North Italy is also missing it's army circles?
Last post most of it is still valid

1.S whas used for Siegfried defence before,and its whas not so good readabile with numbers,and that why i replace S with D,that why SA is much better readabile then S,and means Stalingrad Army,and i dont se any reason why SA is not valid option.
2.More space?Where you see that aim dont have enough space in Vichy France?
3. Now i realy need some Graphical view to better understand what you mean.
4. Its a same like sigfried defence ,you have North italy inset because these country is to small and look cramped to put Army circles,so people will use N orth Italy inset to play.

1) Yeah - but now that you don't use S - SA could be replaced with S - which removes the double letter acronym.

2) More space can only be a good thing on this map surely I'm just trying to help - And I didn't mean Vichy France... I mean the "Von"'s -> VL, VB, VR would be made smaller as vL, vB, vR (Again it's the double letter acronym that we can try to remove.

3) The gap in columns between Western Front - Central Campaign - Eastern Front is different - you need to move the centre list over a bit to the right.

4) That was old comment and solved by latest version.

C.

PS - yes France comment was a joke - hence PS and !!!!!!!!'s

[Qwert]

1) Yeah - but now that you don't use S - SA could be replaced with S - which removes the double letter acronym.

2) More space can only be a good thing on this map surely I'm just trying to help - And I didn't mean Vichy France... I mean the "Von"'s -> VL, VB, VR would be made smaller as vL, vB, vR (Again it's the double letter acronym that we can try to remove.

3) The gap in columns between Western Front - Central Campaign - Eastern Front is different - you need to move the centre list over a bit to the right.

4) That was old comment and solved by latest version.

1. I all ready explane you that in old version S whas not good readabile and i use another valid option(look on page 1 old version with S)
2. These can be problem for other people who can ask why VL have small v. I dont have some choice for Acronym,i use what is most apropriate for these countries. I will see how these look on map. Why you want to remove doubles acronyms? Do you have better options for doubles acronimys?
3.Now i understand what you mean.

[yeti_c]

1. I all ready explane you that in old version S whas not good readabile and i use another valid option(look on page 1 old version with S)
2. These can be problem for other people who can ask why VL have small v. I dont have some choice for Acronym,i use what is most apropriate for these countries. I will see how these look on map. Why you want to remove doubles acronyms? Do you have better options for doubles acronimys?
3.Now i understand what you mean.

1) OK

2) V for Von or Van is often written with a lower case v anyway - I just thought it might look nicer - and also provide more emphasis on the second letter - which in these cases are the imporant ones? (And cause less confusion from Vichy France?) - worth a try isn't it?

3) Cool.

C.

[Qwert]

aim fix Legend distance to be same.
i will show later two version-one with same acronym text size and other with small v in VB,VL and VR. Its not look good,but you will se.

[yeti_c]

aim fix Legend distance to be same.
i will show later two version-one with same acronym text size and other with small v in VB,VL and VR. Its not look good,but you will se.

Excellent.

C.

[Qwert]

pamoa
two minor points:

can you make a cleaner lower right angle at the north italy inset box, square would be better but at least one line not a scaled one
please can you put swiss cross vertical, even smaller but vertical

Its now look good Pamoa -north italy inset
For suisse issue,i realy need some valid explanation and reason why swiss cross must change hes position.
Yeti look and tell what version is better,ofcourse if you prefere version with small v,then also other people must agree with yours choice,aim ufortunatly not agree with version with small v,and i thinking that version with large V is best.

normal version with large VB-VL-VR

Click image to enlarge.

version with smal vB-vL-vR

Click image to enlarge.

[yeti_c]

Personally I like the small v's (Note you missed VB3 but you can change that later if necessary)

Legend is better balanced now. (Note you can swap the direction of the balkans beret back to match the others now that there is more space)

C.

[Qwert]

by yeti_c on Thu Sep 04, 2008 3:15 pm

Personally I like the small v's (Note you missed VB3 but you can change that later if necessary)

Legend is better balanced now. (Note you can swap the direction of the balkans beret back to match the others now that there is more space)

well ofcourse i dont expected that you dont like small v
So how we going to solve these issue-poll maybe?

These is partizan hat,not beret(when i whas small children we get these hat in school),i dont see how will match with helmets if i swap hat.

[pamoa]

Maybe just make one diagonal stroke for N.Italy inset and it will be nicer.
I know you do the swiss cross like it is in western front map.
I couldn't be against it at that time, I was not playing CC, didn't know it exist.
Why putting it normal, because like this it's looking like an X and it is really hurtingg my swiss eyes... .
Please can you do it for a little swiss man on the top of his mountain