WWII Europe

[Qwert]

OK,guys first to focus on combination of letters and numbers for terittories,then we will move to other issues.

Maybe you were planning to do this, but I think you should underline the representitive letter in the legend of each continent, for example Britain, in the legend, as to ensure everyone will know what continent is what.

I decide to svitch Britain and Balkan,and shortcut for Britain to be UK,and for Balkan Front B.

The "Final Battles" continent will probably confuse some, why not rename it to Czechoslovakia?

I also change these to some more better-Central europe.

by ZeakCytho on Wed Jul 30, 2008 5:05 pm

If you ask me, you should give two letters to each continent - the first will be W, C, or E for the front that it's in, and the second will be a letter denoting what continent. I'd arrange these with North being the lowest and South the highest. For example, WA could be Britain, WB France, WC the Sigfried Defence, WD West Germany, WE Vichy France, and WF Northern Italy. Do the same for each front, except replace the Ws with Cs or Es. Then arrange the legend in the order of increasing letters, so things are easy to find.

Of course, you could do it many other ways. This is just a thought.

Interesting concept,but some terittories can put only one letter and number,like France or Italy.

by yeti_c on Wed Jul 30, 2008 5:12 pm

I Like the W C E idea - but I would prefer the start letters to be the start letters of the "continent".

i.e.

WE = Western Front England.
WF = Western Front France.
WG = Western Front Germany.
WI = Western Front Italy/
CG = Central Zone Germany.
CE = Central Zone East Prussia.
CP = Central Zone Poland.
ES = Eastern Front Stalingrad.

C.

PS - note change from "centre front" to something more fitting... i.e. as it is the Central Zone - it isn't actually a front. (A front being where 2 armies are fighting) other ideas could be "Interior", "Axis Zone", os something else.

Its to many for some terittoriese to add 3 things.
ps-it centre front,you can find in allies plans.

Any way,you give me good ideas and i find that something like these can fit in terittories,and can very good represents continents.

WESTERN FRONT
UK-BRITAIN
F-FRANCE
N-NORTH ITALY
W-WESTERN GERMANY
V-VICHY FRANCE
S-SIEGFRIED DEFENCE

CENTER FRONT
P-POLISH FRONT
G-EAST GERMANY
E-EAST PRUSSIA
B-BALKAN FRONT
C-CENTRAL EUROPE

EASTERN FRONT
L-LENINGRAD ARMY
M-MOSCOW ARMY
SA-STALINGRAD ARMY
VL-VON LEEB ARMY
VB-VON BOCK ARMY
VR-VON RUNDSTEDTH ARMY

[lt_oddball]

WESTERN FRONT
UK-BRITAIN
F-FRANCE
N-NORTH ITALY
W-WESTERN GERMANY
V-VICHY FRANCE
S-SIEGFRIED DEFENCE

CENTER FRONT
P-POLISH FRONT
G-EAST GERMANY
E-EAST PRUSSIA
B-BALKAN FRONT
C-CENTRAL EUROPE

EASTERN FRONT
L-LENINGRAD ARMY
M-MOSCOW ARMY
SA-STALINGRAD ARMY
VL-VON LEEB ARMY
VB-VON BOCK ARMY
VR-VON RUNDSTEDTH ARMY

excellent


ah oh ja: make wtf wtafo or wTF or Wtf or WeTF.. or can't you call it something else? A wikipedia search learned me that this WTF was only meant for the attack on Morocco (with ETF in Algiers)... so whatever should have landed in Italy in the latter stages of the war (Anzio?) should have another name: (Fifth Army ?; 5A ?)

[Qwert]

ah oh ja: make wtf wtafo or wTF or Wtf or WeTF.. or can't you call it something else? A wikipedia search learned me that this WTF was only meant for the attack on Morocco (with ETF in Algiers)... so whatever should have landed in Italy in the latter stages of the war (Anzio?) should have another name: (Fifth Army ?; 5A ?)

Well some people thinking that these mean something bad words(what t F...),but these again mean something real-Western Task Force,who is bean leading force in invasion on Anzio.

[Qwert]

New update

Click image to enlarge.

[whitestazn88]

i never noticed this before, but you can't cross fronts?

so what happens if someone takes all of west, and the other all of east... does it end in a tie?

[Qwert]

by whitestazn88 on Sun Aug 03, 2008 7:23 pm

i never noticed this before, but you can't cross fronts?

so what happens if someone takes all of west, and the other all of east... does it end in a tie?

no,these still not decide where to put Attack arrows,first i must finish with letters,and then we can discuse abouth where to put attack arrows.
Ofcourse if you have some sugestion,you can say.

[whitestazn88]

ok, just making sure. and the only thing i'd say is to move the star a little bit closer inside the territ on N1.

that or make the part with the big X black instead of red, because it kind of looks like a territ now that its much smaller.

[Qwert]

by whitestazn88 on Sun Aug 03, 2008 7:39 pm

ok, just making sure. and the only thing i'd say is to move the star a little bit closer inside the territ on N1.

that or make the part with the big X black instead of red, because it kind of looks like a territ now that its much smaller.

Dont tell me that you not notice,that these is switzerland

[whitestazn88]

lol, if i thought about it, i would know that it is Switzerland, but it's not my point, its sitting next to another continent that is red, so it looks like it might belong in the game...

[Sir. Ricco]

Brilliant Idea with the renaming. I hope it makes it through!

[Androidz]

SUggestion for attacklines.

C2 -> N2

G3 -> W3

B4 -> VB7

P5 -> VL5



Good work with the renameing=)

[lt_oddball]

SUggestion for attacklines.
C2 -> N2

G3 -> W3

B4 -> VB7

P5 -> VL5

I guess these are both ways attacklines ?

in stead of C2 -> N2 (rather too fast invasion of very mountainous Austria..whereas Venice-slovenia seems more applicable) so i'd say B1 < - > N2 .

If there is talk of more one way attacklines then I give it another thought.

[Qwert]

by whitestazn88 on Mon Aug 04, 2008 3:36 am

lol, if i thought about it, i would know that it is Switzerland, but it's not my point, its sitting next to another continent that is red, so it looks like it might belong in the game...

I dont think that someon will make that mistake,these terittory dont have circle and names.

by Sir. Ricco on Tue Aug 05, 2008 4:55 am

Brilliant Idea with the renaming. I hope it makes it through!

Thanks,now we are in right road

by Androidz on Tue Aug 05, 2008 10:49 am

SUggestion for attacklines.

C2 -> N2

G3 -> W3

B4 -> VB7

P5 -> VL5



Good work with the renameing=)

Its 4 conection enough?

by lt_oddball on
I guess these are both ways attacklines ?

in stead of C2 -> N2 (rather too fast invasion of very mountainous Austria..whereas Venice-slovenia seems more applicable) so i'd say B1 < - > N2 .

If there is talk of more one way attacklines then I give it another thought.

They will be bouth way,like in Eastern front,give me you full list of conections.

[Androidz]

by Androidz on Tue Aug 05, 2008 10:49 am

SUggestion for attacklines.

C2 -> N2

G3 -> W3

B4 -> VB7

P5 -> VL5



Good work with the renameing=)

Its 4 conection enough?

Yes probbably you dont want those little bonuses to hard to get i think:D. Then there will be alot of fighting over no bonuses. or the if the big get to crowed same thing will happen.

by lt_oddball on
I guess these are both ways attacklines ?

in stead of C2 -> N2 (rather too fast invasion of very mountainous Austria..whereas Venice-slovenia seems more applicable) so i'd say B1 < - > N2 .

If there is talk of more one way attacklines then I give it another thought.

They will be bouth way,like in Eastern front,give me you full list of conections.[/quote]

Yeah i meanted both ways my bad. and i think lt_odball have the best attack line suggestion.

[oaktown]

I'll take a good look at this map as soon as that first post loads.

(read: could you PLEASE not post every old version of the map in the first post? Links to old versions would suffice.)

[Qwert]

by oaktown on Tue Aug 05, 2008 6:26 pm

I'll take a good look at this map as soon as that first post loads.

(read: could you PLEASE not post every old version of the map in the first post? Links to old versions would suffice.)

These topic is old almost one year-and mine photoshop album is very full,and need so much time to find right links to put(or i can erase half of oldest maps),so you just look first image

[The Viking]

I was looking at this: version and it looks a bit lighter, I think you should try making the current version lighter like that old version and see how it turns out.

Also the central zone looks much better in the old version, imo at least,
I also think the borders look better thinner like they are in the old version but I'm sure most people will disagree on that one.

[Qwert]

the viking-these version is old 7-8 month,look first images in post.

Also dimension of image is 850x800. and dont have original colour from eastern and western front.

[lt_oddball]

Okay, I gave it more thought..my proposals for attack lines over the otherwise impenetrable fronts:

Some/many different one way attack lines (but often similar to qwerty's original suggestions a few maps back):

N2 to B1 and B1 to N2 (both ways).
W8 to C2 (akin Patton's easy rush into Vienna)
C2 to W7 (for Germans the Ruhr area is important)
W3 to G3 (as western allies wouldnt be able to directly throw themselves upon Berlin with "montgommery speed" )
G1 to W2 (a hypothetical German counter strike would prioritize the northern harbours (like Antwerp)).

B5 to VR2 (barbarossa..with help from Romanians, quick progress, primary interest: harbours)
VB7 to B4 (Soviet thrust actually was rather over broad line.primary interest : knocking out nazi satellite state capitols as quickly as possible (Budapest, Bukarest, etc).
P5 to Vb5 (Barbarossa , central army..smolensk,Moscow..Guderian?)
VL5 to P5 (soviet second attackline..)
E1 to VL2 (barbarossa..quick advance through soviet occupied baltic states).

This gives the central german army 2 defense choke points against eastern soviet commander who should worry about 3 invasion points..this may seem a little unfair..but the central german player has to worry about the western invasion points too.
There it is 3 against 3 ..maybe one allied invasion line (W8 to C2) should be discarded for the same reason.




and while i'm at it:
Changes to the westernfront attacklines around the siegfried line:

Instead of now (F4>S1 , S2>F4 , F3>S2 , S4>S3 ) I'd be happier with:

S4 > S2 , S2 > F4 (combination of GERMAN attack blitz 1940..bulge 1944..still, antwerp held by allies)
F4> S1 , S1 > S5 (ALLIES most successful line of attack 1944 )

(bold stays the same)

[The Viking]

the viking-these version is old 7-8 month,look first images in post.

Also dimension of image is 850x800. and dont have original colour from eastern and western front.

Uhm, yeah I know that, so?
But why did you change the colors?

[Qwert]

by The Viking on Wed Aug 06, 2008 5:51 pm

qwert wrote:
the viking-these version is old 7-8 month,look first images in post.

Also dimension of image is 850x800. and dont have original colour from eastern and western front.
Uhm, yeah I know that, so?
But why did you change the colors?

Who change a colour?You show me old version who not have original colours.

It odball-can you put in () one way or bouth way.

and while i'm at it:
Changes to the westernfront attacklines around the siegfried line:

Instead of now (F4>S1 , S2>F4 , F3>S2 , S4>S3 ) I'd be happier with:

S4 > S2 , S2 > F4 (combination of GERMAN attack blitz 1940..bulge 1944..still, antwerp held by allies)
F4> S1 , S1 > S5 (ALLIES most successful line of attack 1944 )

(bold stays the same)

Sorry,but these attack lines stay like in original map.

[Qwert]

well odball i put all your sugestion about connection bettwen fronts(only not apply original conection in western front).

Click image to enlarge.

[The Viking]

by The Viking on Wed Aug 06, 2008 5:51 pm

qwert wrote:
the viking-these version is old 7-8 month,look first images in post.

Also dimension of image is 850x800. and dont have original colour from eastern and western front.
Uhm, yeah I know that, so?
But why did you change the colors?

Who change a colour?You show me old version who not have original colours.

Oh, ok sorry I didn't know you were going with the original colors.

But my comment still stands, how does the size affect the brightness and saturation?

[oaktown]

I'll take a good look at this map as soon as that first post loads.

(read: could you PLEASE not post every old version of the map in the first post? Links to old versions would suffice.)

(quoted for emphasis.)

Really qwert, it wouldn't take long to change the images in the first post to links. Some folks don't have the bandwidth you do, and when I see that there are a couple dozen images loading I leave the page. This is about more than you and me.

[AndyDufresne]

Agreed with Oaktown.

Anyways, I know the arrows have always been Black and Red, but would you consider altering the Black to another color that stands out a bit more on this map? Black and Red work well on the other maps, but due to all the territory names being black, they can get rather and you have to hunt for them. I'm not sure what color would be better, but something must be.


--Andy