Re: WWI: Gallipoli [9.9.15] V39 (p22) [Quenched]

[cairnswk]

Playing in Games 1345938 and 13498604:
Noticed that the phantom continent doesn't include beach z (according to BOB, anyway), now while the continent might be irrelevant (and soon to disappear) I'm assuming it was related to the losing condition: so could you check/confirm that beach z is a valid land territory for the purposes of the losing condition, thanks

Can u clarify this please? i can see the autodeploy works. But it is not shown as a Land territory

Which means that the adjusted xml has not yet been uploaded.

[paulgamelb]

Got a few polymorph (4) games going on this map. The player starting gets a huge advantage. In four of the five games I am playing one of the armies is out of the game before they have even played a shot.

[cairnswk]

Got a few polymorph (4) games going on this map. The player starting gets a huge advantage. In four of the five games I am playing one of the armies is out of the game before they have even played a shot.

Yes, thank-you paul for that, we are aware of that issue and have new xml to upload which i am hoping will be done this week.

[skillfusniper33]

is lower Suvla plain supposed to be able to attack Monash Gully? If not, it is kind of miss-leading since you have a black line there which represents a border.

[cairnswk]

is lower Suvla plain supposed to be able to attack Monash Gully? If not, it is kind of miss-leading since you have a black line there which represents a border.

Yes they are supposed to border, and in the xml they don't.
Good pick-up, thank-you skillfusniper33

[kizkiz]

Should Bigali and madios border each other?
Doesn't look like they should

[Gilligan]

Should Bigali and madios border each other?
Doesn't look like they should

"villages border the next village via roads"

Villages are marked by the little squares in Madios and Bigali

[kizkiz]

Cheers gilligan
Missed that one somehow

[Nola_Lifer]

is lower Suvla plain supposed to be able to attack Monash Gully? If not, it is kind of miss-leading since you have a black line there which represents a border.

Yes they are supposed to border, and in the xml they don't.
Good pick-up, thank-you skillfusniper33

I know you said that new xml will fix this and unsure what the fix is but it seems that starting positions are a bit unbalanced. Only just started one game so I'll be able to give more input after more games played. Other than that I like the game play.

[ManBungalow]

I played a polymorphic game (4 players each, like quads) on this map, and loved it.

The only concern I've got is that I was easily able to eliminate a player on my first turn and before the opponent had chance to play - simply because I could 'see' and bombard both of his land regions from my Battleships.

Game in question: Game 13508653. See my orange move in round 1.

Maybe it would be worth coding a few starting positions (land regions) which the Battleships can't bombard? Otherwise I guess the lesson is that games on this map with more than maybe 6 players are going to be particularly risky for the reason I just described.

Really nice work otherwise.

[kizkiz]

I played a polymorphic game (4 players each, like quads) on this map, and loved it.

The only concern I've got is that I was easily able to eliminate a player on my first turn and before the opponent had chance to play - simply because I could 'see' and bombard both of his land regions from my Battleships.

Game in question: Game 13508653. See my orange move in round 1.

Maybe it would be worth coding a few starting positions (land regions) which the Battleships can't bombard? Otherwise I guess the lesson is that games on this map with more than maybe 6 players are going to be particularly risky for the reason I just described.

Really nice work otherwise.

I'll answer this before cairnswk explodes
The previous two pages of this thread are almost solely concerned with this starting issue, which has been fixed in the new xml that should be uploaded any day now

[cairnswk]

[skillfusniper33]

I think you are missing another attacking route Cairns.

Scimitar Hill should be able to attack Gendarmerie

[cairnswk]

I think you are missing another attacking route Cairns.
Scimitar Hill should be able to attack Gendarmerie

Yes it is missing from the current xml in gameplay, but has been attended to in V5 as attached below.

Click image to enlarge.

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s282 ... g~original
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s282 ... g~original

[cairnswk]

The new files have been uploaded

[thenobodies80]

The new files have been uploaded

[PereiroSaus]

Nice map!

Im kinda lazy, so if this one is mentioned already I'm sorry...: Monash Guly and CH border on the map, but not in gameplay.

Also, from my first xp on 1v1 the map is very (too) favourable for the starting player now.
Just started one on which I also got Gendarmerie, opponent is chanceless from the start. All batteries to start neutral would be wise in my opinion.

[cairnswk]

Nice map!

Im kinda lazy, so if this one is mentioned already I'm sorry...: Monash Guly and CH border on the map, but not in gameplay.

Also, from my first xp on 1v1 the map is very (too) favourable for the starting player now.
Just started one on which I also got Gendarmerie, opponent is chanceless from the start. All batteries to start neutral would be wise in my opinion.

Thank-you for the border pickup PereiroSaus
I will send it forward for upload.
As for 1V1 in fog...which all 3 of your maps are...i can't see your log so i don't know where else you started...so unable to assist much
i would give the 1v1 at least 20 more attempts from your xp and then come back and say what the outcome is...but noted here anyway.

[Dukasaur]

I have got to say that this is an
absolutely fucking tremendous map!

... and I don't use superlatives lightly!

It's really all the more surprising because this is the kind of large, complex map that I normally hate, and I approached it with some misgivings, but within three turns I was in love! Despite the complexities, the basic strategic points are easy to grasp.

I love how the map captures the spirit of the actual histprical battle.... the devastating power of the Turkish artillery, the almost desperate need to get onto high ground, the surreptitious runs of the minesweepers under cover of smoke, everything.

Both in the richnness of strategic choices available, and in the depth of historical accuracy, I'm sure this map will be compared to qwert's Stalingrad, and in my opinion this one will be considered the greater masterpiece of the two!

Bravo, bravo, bravo! An incredible job you've done here!

Also, from my first xp on 1v1 the map is very (too) favourable for the starting player now.
Just started one on which I also got Gendarmerie, opponent is chanceless from the start. All batteries to start neutral would be wise in my opinion.

So, far, of the seven games I've been in, only one is actually finished: Game 13570906
As you can see from the log, Keefie started with Gendarmerie and he went first, and I still kicked his ass. Yes, it's nice to start with Gendarmerie, and it's definitely a powerful tert, but it's not a foregone conclusion that it will bring you victory.

No matter what drop you get, I think there are opportunities for the other player to do something else. Obviously first go is an advantage, as it is on any map you care to name. I don't think it's an overwhelming advantage.

[cairnswk]

... qwert's Stalingrad,...

Dukasaur, thank-you for your praise and consideration, i know you to be a fair but hard taskmaster, so this would not lightly be given.
...but did you mean Stalingrad or some other map by Qwert
Stalingrad is mine, sorry

[Dukasaur]

... qwert's Stalingrad,...

Dukasaur, thank-you for your praise and consideration, i know you to be a fair but hard taskmaster, so this would not lightly be given.
...but did you mean Stalingrad or some other map by Qwert
Stalingrad is mine, sorry

Lol, that's pretty funny. I always thought Stalingrad was one of qwert's!

Well then I owe you a long-delayed shot of kudos for that one too.... ...and I understand better now why Gallipolli reminds me so much of Stalingrad.

[Keefie]

... qwert's Stalingrad,...

Dukasaur, thank-you for your praise and consideration, i know you to be a fair but hard taskmaster, so this would not lightly be given.
...but did you mean Stalingrad or some other map by Qwert
Stalingrad is mine, sorry

Which is why I love you so much

I bow to the creator of CC's two best maps

Oh and Ducky, you won once, I wont let it happen again

[Dukasaur]

... qwert's Stalingrad,...

Dukasaur, thank-you for your praise and consideration, i know you to be a fair but hard taskmaster, so this would not lightly be given.
...but did you mean Stalingrad or some other map by Qwert
Stalingrad is mine, sorry

Which is why I love you so much

I bow to the creator of CC's two best maps

Oh and Ducky, you won once, I wont let it happen again

[Seamus76]

I have got to say that this is an
absolutely fucking tremendous map!

... and I don't use superlatives lightly!

So when can we expect the "Dukasaur Plays Gallipoli" tournaments.

[PereiroSaus]

I have got to say that this is an
absolutely fucking tremendous map!

... and I don't use superlatives lightly!

So when can we expect the "Dukasaur Plays Gallipoli" tournaments.

That would be great, beacuse Duka almost ended my relationship with Baltic due to his persistence...