Portland [Quenched]

[lostatlimbo]

*crickets*

Ok... no one but me cares about the other graphic tweaks. Does that mean they are ok to go live?

The only one I'm uncertain about is the grey/brown textures. Should I just go solid?

I think the bridges and swan island look a bit better.

[Seamus76]

I think it looks really nice. Then again I didn't have a problem before. Enjoying the map more every time I play it. Seems simple at first glance but all the little intricacies really make it a challenge gameplay-wise.

[thenobodies80]

Personally I still don't like the trees. Why not to add some nuance of color and also shadows to give to them a bit of "additional depth"? Right now they look like, pass me the word, "just a shape".

[Chariot of Fire]

Can you change the word "de-board" to one that's actually a real word?

'Alight' or 'Disembark' are two options.

[lostatlimbo]

Personally I still don't like the trees. Why not to add some nuance of color and also shadows to give to them a bit of "additional depth"? Right now they look like, pass me the word, "just a shape".

I started working on this and realized I accidentally saved my large layered file at the small size. Ooops. I have an older copy I could revert to, but I will have to redo some things, so this might take a while.

[lostatlimbo]

Can you change the word "de-board" to one that's actually a real word? ;-)

'Alight' or 'Disembark' are two options.

Deboard is a word: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/deboard
Disembark sounds equally awkward to me and I've never heard anyone refer to it as "Alight" in this country.

I could change it to "Exit", I suppose.

[lostatlimbo]

So far, I've never seen the rose or microbrew bonuses come into play. They seem sort of pointless in hindsight, but I'd like to keep them, as they are part of the theme and an iconic part of Portland.

Should I adjust the bonus of these somehow?

Some ideas:
Hold 3 brews or 3 roses for 5 troops
Hold 4 brews or 4 roses for 6 troops
Hold 2 brews and 2 roses for 5 troops

Others ideas? Or should I just leave it alone?

[Chariot of Fire]

Can you change the word "de-board" to one that's actually a real word?

'Alight' or 'Disembark' are two options.

Deboard is a word: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/deboard
Disembark sounds equally awkward to me and I've never heard anyone refer to it as "Alight" in this country.

I could change it to "Exit", I suppose.

lol, the only reference to 'deboard' exists on Wiktionary - hardly the gospel when it comes to correct vocabulary. Here's an example:

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/limboisation



Thesaurus offers you disembark, alight, arrive, detrain, dismount, land, leave.

It's your map though mate, so your call. 'Disembark' works in every language. 'Land' too could be an easy way out.

[lostatlimbo]

I can't get this @(#$*&(* poll to work right. When I preview the options they look fine, but whenever I submit it duplicates some options and deletes others.

Any suggestions?

EDIT: Nevermind. It must have been a cache issue. I used a different browser and it worked.

[AndyDufresne]

I can't get this @(#$*&(* poll to work right. When I preview the options they look fine, but whenever I submit it duplicates some options and deletes others.

Any suggestions?

Sometimes phpBB forum software gets finicky when you try to change polls from a regular user perspective. I've went ahead and deleted your old poll, and put up a new one. Are those options you were looking for?


--Andy

[lostatlimbo]

Yes. That works. Thanks Andy.

[iancanton]

So far, I've never seen the rose or microbrew bonuses come into play.

the roses are active in Game 10188916.

Hold 4 brews or 4 roses for 6 troops

this is the simplest and most direct way to make this bonus more attractive.

ian.

[Victor Sullivan]

The 4 for +6 or the 3 for +5 work for me

-Sully

[J_Indr]

Somebody might have suggested this earlier, but I find it really difficult to read blue numbers on the black background of train windows. Any possibility to change the graphics to make it easier to read?

[betiko]

i personally never go for the brewery bonus or the roses; it's just impossible to get them all during one full turn (ok sorry, i've always played it in team games, maybe in 1vs1 it's possible) but for team games sake, make a bonus for having just 3 I think. also at first it was unclear for me about which territories made which bonus; people expect the regions to be in slightly different colours ratehr than the name of the region.

otherwise i pretty much like the map, played it 4 or 5 times in trips and still undefeated!

[lostatlimbo]

Sorry I haven't made an update on this recently. Been busy with work and holiday obligations and working on a new 1v1 map, but I will make a big update soon!

[lostatlimbo]

Version 44
I've made some requested graphics changes and also cleaned up a few other things that have bugged me. Are the trees any better?

Click image to enlarge.

[thenobodies80]

They look a bit fuzzy.

I think you should go with something like the ones flapcake has done on his Denmark map viewtopic.php?f=64&t=151728
In few words the ones you had previously on the map but using more than a single color....but it's just my personal opinion.

[lostatlimbo]

How about the new style of tree, but in different shades?

Click image to enlarge.

[iancanton]

i personally never go for the brewery bonus or the roses; it's just impossible to get them all during one full turn (ok sorry, i've always played it in team games, maybe in 1vs1 it's possible) but for team games sake, make a bonus for having just 3 I think.

in 1v1, it certainly is possible. u do have a valid point for team games. one way to adapt this bonus for team games is to increase it to +10 for holding 4 breweries or 4 roses, instead of the current +6. +10 can make it worthwhile, especially in fog games, to give up a brewery or a rose in favour of a teammate. this can be implemented with no changes to start positions (unlike a bonus for holding 3) if lostatlimbo considers it to be a good idea.

ian.

[lostatlimbo]

in 1v1, it certainly is possible. u do have a valid point for team games. one way to adapt this bonus for team games is to increase it to +10 for holding 4 breweries or 4 roses, instead of the current +6. +10 can make it worthwhile, especially in fog games, to give up a brewery or a rose in favour of a teammate. this can be implemented with no changes to start positions (unlike a bonus for holding 3) if lostatlimbo considers it to be a good idea.

ian. :)

Hmmm... 10 is quite the jump. It currently is 5 for 4 - the 6 for 4 is the current proposed change. I do understand that it is a tough bonus for team games, but there are plenty of other bonuses available on the map.

10 seems way too much to me and would be a massive gamechanger - especially for 1v1 (worse with fog).

However, I would be willing to try 7 for 4 as a compromise.

[iancanton]

However, I would be willing to try 7 for 4 as a compromise.

fair enough. let's give it a go!

ian.

[danryan]

I was critical of the graphics previously but these are much improved. Well done!

[lostatlimbo]

Here we go...

Version 45:

Graphic revision & increased rose/brew bonus (to 7 for 4).

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[thenobodies80]

Sorry, you need to be patient. Actually we can't upload maps for a week or so. Just letting you know.

Btw the tree should stay behind the NW Bike path imo.