CLASSIC CITIES: Moscow [Quenched]

[Oneyed]

Oneyed...i don't want to get into this discussion again with otherwise i wil become very mad abo-ut language semantics.
I appreciate you have learned Russian for 10 years, but i am taking that as it is from Google.

this is how it looks in cyrilic: Богородское - could you find there any i or y?... Russian is "soft" language. the Bogorodskoe is pronounced a litle as Bogorodskoie, but this is mistake to write it so. as I wrote Sydney as example is still Sydney, not Sidny because it is pronouced so...

End of story. If many other players come in and say it should be otherwise, then i will change it...got the message.

...and how much people know Russian?
iancanton was the first who mentioned this (and I found iancanton as person who knows about what he speaking)...

your map, your decision, your mistakes end of this.

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[cairnswk]

..
your map, your decision, your mistakes end of this.
Oneyed

Thank-you, yes my mistakes if i make them, and i accept repsonsibility for this one - my decision.

[Dako]

I know Russian ^^.

The correct spelling is Bogorodskoye and Maryina Roshcha. The first one cannot be changed, the last one can be translated into Marina's Grove but we usually don't.

Russian is indeed a soft language but unless you speak it and know the caveats there is no way you can pronounce Roshcha correctly. But for foreigners you should spell it like that so they can at least imitate the sound.

[Oneyed]

I know Russian ^^.

The correct spelling is Bogorodskoye and Maryina Roshcha. The first one cannot be changed, the last one can be translated into Marina's Grove but we usually don't.

and what is then this Богородское?
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D0% ... 2%D1%8B%29
http://www.uprava-bogorodskoe.ru/
http://wikimapia.org/2280487/ru/%D0%91% ... 0%BE%D0%B5

Russian is indeed a soft language but unless you speak it and know the caveats there is no way you can pronounce Roshcha correctly. But for foreigners you should spell it like that so they can at least imitate the sound.

there is no question about Roshcha. there is question about Bogorodskoe...

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[koontz1973]

and what is then this Богородское?


Oneyed

According to google translate it is this. Bogorodskoe But when I put in cairns spelling I get this.

Both may be correct, one may even be more correct, but cairns has done his homework, got one of the correct spellings and this is a non issue.

Considering Dako is Russian, and he has no problem with it, go with your one cairns.

[Oneyed]

and what is then this Богородское?


Oneyed

According to google translate it is this. Bogorodskoe But when I put in cairns spelling I get this.

Both may be correct, one may even be more correct, but cairns has done his homework, got one of the correct spellings and this is a non issue.

Considering Dako is Russian, and he has no problem with it, go with your one cairns.

...it was closed several post ago, koontz.

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[koontz1973]

and what is then this Богородское?


Oneyed

According to google translate it is this. Bogorodskoe But when I put in cairns spelling I get this.

Both may be correct, one may even be more correct, but cairns has done his homework, got one of the correct spellings and this is a non issue.

Considering Dako is Russian, and he has no problem with it, go with your one cairns.

...it was closed several post ago, koontz.

Oneyed

If it was closed, then why do you continue to harp on about it.

there is no question about Roshcha. there is question about Bogorodskoe...

Oneyed

[Dako]

there is no question about Roshcha. there is question about Bogorodskoe...

Oneyed

BGN/PCGN romanization system for Russian is a method for romanization of Cyrillic Russian texts, that is, their transliteration into the Latin alphabet as used in the English language. It is used by the Oxford University Press, among others, which refers to it as the British Standard.
Please read this article — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BGN/PCGN_r ... of_Russian.
BGN/PCGN should be used when we are talking about geographical names.


There are many systems that romanize Russian words. For comparison table please read this article. http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A2%D1% ... 0.B8.D0.B8

[Oneyed]

...it was closed several post ago, koontz.

If it was closed, then why do you continue to harp on about it.

I just answered to Dako (and I had also interest how it is from Russian view). it is again you who see "harp" where is only discusion or will to help...

BGN/PCGN romanization system for Russian is a method for romanization of Cyrillic Russian texts, that is, their transliteration into the Latin alphabet as used in the English language. It is used by the Oxford University Press, among others, which refers to it as the British Standard.
Please read this article — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BGN/PCGN_r ... of_Russian.
BGN/PCGN should be used when we are talking about geographical names.


There are many systems that romanize Russian words. For comparison table please read this article. http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A2%D1% ... 0.B8.D0.B8

hm, the BGN/PCGN system looks as the oldest one (which is in somewhere not clear - Й and also Ы are there represent as Y while some new systems made difference between them. what is correct). these another (and new) systems used e as e.

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[cairnswk]

Version 30. updated...bumped

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http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s282 ... utrals.png

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s282 ... w_V30S.png
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s282 ... w_V30L.png
http://www.fileden.com/files/2012/12/21 ... Moscow.xml

[cairnswk]

....an offering to see if this suit everyone better for the bonus region notations.

[nolefan5311]

I like it cairns...any changes need to be made to the xml?

[cairnswk]

I like it cairns...any changes need to be made to the xml?

no changes required unless something comes from this....

Nolefan...we're giving +1 for a pair of Tsentralnyy regions....10 region pairs.
the overall lot is worth +13...so should the overall lot of +13 override the bonuses that will come from owning all the pairs.

outer regions total bonus = 20 (7 regions - 3+3+3+3+4+2+2)
Tsentralnyy +13 and pairs (10 x 1) +10 = 23.

[nolefan5311]

That's a good question...perhaps the +13 should just be removed? It's not likely a person is ever going to hold that bonus until the endgame anyway, and person could still hold say, the inner ring and a couple of suburb pairs, and the outer ring and a couple of suburb pairs for a decent bonus.

Or, to makes things easier, having the +13 override everything is the simplest.

[cairnswk]

That's a good question...perhaps the +13 should just be removed? It's not likely a person is ever going to hold that bonus until the endgame anyway, and person could still hold say, the inner ring and a couple of suburb pairs, and the outer ring and a couple of suburb pairs for a decent bonus.

Or, to makes things easier, having the +13 override everything is the simplest.

OK, let's do that....have the +13 override the +5 and +8, and the +10 pairs.

Noles, my system is down due to power failure on main computer where all my files are and needs rebuilding.
Gonna be several days, so just let my maps fall into bin if i don't get back to them soon.
thanks.

[nolefan5311]

That's a good question...perhaps the +13 should just be removed? It's not likely a person is ever going to hold that bonus until the endgame anyway, and person could still hold say, the inner ring and a couple of suburb pairs, and the outer ring and a couple of suburb pairs for a decent bonus.

Or, to makes things easier, having the +13 override everything is the simplest.

OK, let's do that....have the +13 override the +5 and +8, and the +10 pairs.

Noles, my system is down due to power failure on main computer where all my files are and needs rebuilding.
Gonna be several days, so just let my maps fall into bin if i don't get back to them soon.
thanks.

I won't bin them until after the 30 day mark, unless you're requesting them all be binned now.

[Gilligan]

Personally...if it's have the +13 and the map versus no map, keep the +13...

[cairnswk]

That's a good question...perhaps the +13 should just be removed? It's not likely a person is ever going to hold that bonus until the endgame anyway, and person could still hold say, the inner ring and a couple of suburb pairs, and the outer ring and a couple of suburb pairs for a decent bonus.

Or, to makes things easier, having the +13 override everything is the simplest.

OK, let's do that....have the +13 override the +5 and +8, and the +10 pairs.

Noles, my system is down due to power failure on main computer where all my files are and needs rebuilding.
Gonna be several days, so just let my maps fall into bin if i don't get back to them soon.
thanks.

I won't bin them until after the 30 day mark, unless you're requesting them all be binned now.

let them wait...

Personally...if it's have the +13 and the map versus no map, keep the +13...

OK Gills, we'll keep the +13 and there will be a map, just not right now for an update.

[thenobodies80]

So we're ready to go?

[nolefan5311]

I will need to post the revised XML. I can do that tonight or tomorrow.

[cairnswk]

So we're ready to go?

no, i have only just got my computer restarted...and will take a few days to get all software reloaded.
an update is required for both graphics and xml.
when that's done, i'll let you know.

[thenobodies80]

perfect, thanks.

[cairnswk]

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[nolefan5311]

Attached is the updated XML. The only changes I saw over the past two pages is the overrides, so I've added those. Other than that, nothing else has been changed.

http://www.fileden.com/files/2012/5/13/3303803/Moscow18Feb.xml

[Gilligan]

I already stamped this map, so I won't stamp it again but I approve of the updated XML above.