Napoleonic Europe 1812 - Ver 41/44 [Quenched]

[ender516]

Quite possible, unless we run into a problem with a maximum length for names in the XML, which was niggling at the back of my mind as typed "Confederation of the Rhine". I will look into that. In the meantime, forward the list of battle information and I will merge it in.
If we are doing this, it might be fun to add the dates to the map, say, written across the swords and wrapped around the bottom of the naval battle site circles. However, this might get messy, especially on the small map. Still, perhaps it is worth a quick check.

[Kabanellas]

I've already discussed it with Rask - quite impossible. To much info already

but would be really great to add it in the xml

[Kabanellas]

Updated now (credits and legend):

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[Raskholnikov]

The dates of the land battles are as follows:

Rivoli - January 1797: Italy
Pyramids: July 1798 - Egypt
Jaffa - March 1799: Palestine
Marengo: June 1800: Piedmont
Ulm: October 1805: Baden & Berg
Austerlitz: December 1805: Bohemia
Jena: October 1806: Hessen
Friedland - June 1807: East Prussia
Wagram: July 1809: Vienna
Oporto: May 1809: Oporto
Rousse: October 1811: Rumelia
Badajoz: March 1812: Extremadura
Salamanca: July 1812: Leon
Smolensk: August 1812: Smolensk
Borodino: September 1812: Borodino
Beresina: November 1812: Belorussia
Leipzig: October 1813: Saxony
Chateau-Thierry - February 1814: Burgundy
Toulouse: April 1814:Aquitaine
Waterloo: June 1815: Belgium


The dates of the naval battles are as follows:

Toulon: December 1793
Cape St. Vincent: February 1797
Camperdown: October 1797
Aboukir: August 1798
Copenhagen: April 1801
Boulogne: October 1804
Trafalgar: October 1805
Dardanelles: May 1807

[ender516]

The maps only say "St. Vincent", with no "Cape". Which will it be?

[Raskholnikov]

St. Vincent.

[ender516]

Okay, the legend says "Prussia", but the label in the Baltic Sea says "K. of Prussia". Which do you want in the XML? "Kingdom of Prussia" is another option.

[Raskholnikov]

Kingdom of Prussia is the four-territory region. All individual regions are called by their name, without Kingdom. So, if you refer to an entire regions, as in Holds Kingdom of Prussia, use Kingdom please. It is is a specific region, as in Conquers Denmark (which is different from Kingdom of Denmark), don't use Kingdom.

For Prussia, please use Kingdom of Prussia. Many thanks.

I will have that list of adjacent territories for you shortly.

[Raskholnikov]

List of all territories and all connecting territories to each of them:

Sussex: London, Boulogne, St. Vincent
London: Sussex, Wales, Yorkshire, Camperdown
Yorkshire: London, Wales, Scotland, Copenhagen
Wales: London, Yorkshire, Ireland
Scotland: Yorkshire, Ireland
Ireland: Scotland, Wales
Gibraltar: Andalucia, Trafalgar, Toulon, Malta
Malta: Sicily, Aboukir
Copenhagen: Denmark, Yorkshire
Camperdown: London, Holland
Boulogne: Sussex, Normandy
St. Vincent : Sussex, Oporto, Trafalgar
Trafalgar : St. Vincent, Andalucia, Gibraltar
Toulon : Gibraltar, Provence, Corsica
Aboukir : Malta, Egypt, Palestine
Dardanelles : Crimea, Istanbul
Stockholm : Malmo, Norway, Finland
Malmo : Norway, Stockholm, Denmark, Hessen, Berlin
Norway: Denmark, Malmo, Stockholm
Denmark: Norway, Malmo, Oldenburg, Hessen, Copenhagen
Oporto: Lisbon, Leon, Extremadura, Andalucia, St. Vincent
Lisbon: Oporto, Extremadura, Andalucia,
Leon: Madrid, Extremadura, Catalonia, Valencia, Oporto, Aquitaine
Catalonia: Leon, Valencia, Provence
Madrid: Leon, Catalonia, Extremadura, Valencia, Andalucia
Extremadura: Leon, Madrid, Andalucia, Oporto, Lisbon
Valencia: Madrid, Andalucia, Leon, Catalonia
Andalucia: Madrid, Extremadura, Valencia, Gibraltar, Trafalgar
Paris: Brittany, Normandy, Burgundy, Aquitaine, Provence
Brittany: Paris, Normandy, Aquitaine
Normandy: Paris, Brittany, Burgundy, Belgium, Boulogne
Burgundy: Paris, Normandy, Provence, Belgium, Baden & Berg, Switzerland
Aquitaine: Paris, Brittany, Provence, Leon
Provence: Paris, Aquitaine, Burgundy, Corsica, Catalonia, Switzerland, Piedmont, Toulon
Corsica: Provence, Sardinia, Toulon, Aboukir
Piedmont: Provence, Switzerland, Italy
Holland: Belgium, Oldenburg, Camperdown
Belgium: Normandy, Burgundy, Holland, Oldenburg, Baden & Berg
Oldenburg: Holland, Belgium, Baden & Berg, Hessen, Denmark
Rome: Italy, Naples
Illyria: Italy, Bavaria, Hungary, Bosnia
Switzerland: Provence, Burgundy, Baden & Berg, Bavaria, Piedmont, Italy
Italy: Naples, Rome, Piedmont, Switzerland, Illyria
Naples: Rome, Italy, Sicily
Sicily: Naples, Sardinia, Malta
Sardinia: Corsica, Sicily
Hessen: Baden & Berg, Bavaria, Saxony, Berlin, Malmo, Denmark, Oldenburg
Saxony: Hessen, Bavaria, Silesia, Berlin
Baden & Berg: Bavaria, Hessen, Oldenburg, Belgium, Burgundy, Switzerland
Bavaria: Saxony, Hessen, Baden & Berg, Switzerland, Vienna, Illyria
Berlin: West Prussia, Silesia, Saxony, Hessen, Malmo, Warsaw
West Prussia: Berlin, East Prussia, Warsaw
East Prussia: West Prussia, Warsaw, Vilno
Silesia: Berlin, Saxony, Warsaw, Crakow, Galicia, Bohemia
Warsaw: Crakow, East Prussia, West Prussia, Berlin, Silesia, Belorussia, Vilno
Crakow: Warsaw, Silesia, Galicia, Kiev, Belorussia
Vienna: Bohemia, Galicia, Hungary, Bavaria
Bohemia: Vienna, Hungary, Galicia, Silesia
Galicia: Bohemia, Hungary, Transylvania, Silesia, Crakow, Kiev, Bessarabia,
Romanian Principalities
Hungary: Vienna, Bohemia, Galicia, Transylvania, Illyria, Bosnia, Serbia
Transylvania: Hungary, Galicia
Moscow: St. Petersburg, Borodino, Voronesh
Finland: St. Petersburg, Stockholm
Voronezh: Moscow, Kiev, Borodino
Borodino: Moscow, Voronesh, Kiev, Smolensk, St. Petersburg
Smolensk: Borodino, Kiev, Belorussia, Vilno, St. Petersburg
St. Petersburg: Moscow, Borodino, Smolensk, Vilno, Finland
Vilno: St. Petersburg, Smolensk, Belorussia, Warsaw, East Prussia
Belorussia: Vilno, Smolensk, Kiev, Crakow, Warsaw
Kiev: Voronesh, Borodino, Smolensk, Belorussia, Odessa, Bessarabia,
Galicia, Crakow
Odessa: Kiev, Crimea, Bessarabia
Crimea: Odessa, Dardanelles
Bessarabia: Odessa, Kiev, Galicia, Romanian Principalities
Bosnia: Rumelia, Serbia, Hungary, Illyria
Serbia: Bosnia, Rumelia, Romanian Principalities, Hungary
Romanian Principalities: Serbia, Rumelia, Bessarabia, Galicia
Rumelia: Istanbul, Greece, Bosnia, Serbia, Romanian Principalities
Greece: Rumelia
Istanbul: Rumelia, Anatolia, Dardanelles
Anatolia: Istanbul, Palestine
Palestine: Anatolia, Egypt, Aboukir
Egypt: Palestine, Aboukir

[Kabanellas]

great work Rask

[Kabanellas]

something about bonuses:

Bonus from having a entire country, should override additional bonus from having a region of it

Example - owning Prussia and Poland should only give 3 (from Prussia) + 2 (from Poland) without an additional + 1 (from Warsow)

If that were the case you'd be receiving overrated bonuses for the number of borders you'd be defending.

[Raskholnikov]

Absolutely.

[ender516]

This seems reasonable, but how do you convey that in the legend? You may get a lot of whining during Beta from the legal eagles about not getting all the bonuses they think they are owed.

[army of nobunaga]

this is a pretty map, and I understand the amount of work...

BUT... CC needs another European or North american map like we need strep throat. How many different organizations and variations of europe and na are gonna be redone?

Anyway, my 2 cents. Thanx for the work and Im sure enough people love europe maps it will go through.

[natty dread]

this is a pretty map, and I understand the amount of work...

BUT... CC needs another European or North american map like we need strep throat.

Aww, and there's still one more to come

[army of nobunaga]

this is a pretty map, and I understand the amount of work...

BUT... CC needs another European or North american map like we need strep throat.

Aww, and there's still one more to come

LOL/// man im sure by the time i leave CC in how ever many years.. there will be 12309123102380 europeam maps and 2349898 NA maps.

Speaking as a players player, one that plays every map and likes at least one thing about all of them- The Euro and NA theme is tired and old.
There are so many potential maps out there, but people seem intent on making their own Euro and NA version... I dunno.

Like I said, dont let me be a negative nancy... This map has pretty artwork and looks like a solid endeavor.

[Raskholnikov]

Well those of us who like history disagree. Each map tells a different story in a different way, and although the canvass is similar -Europe or North America - the gameplay for each map is always new.

You are most welcome to suggest other maps or develop them yourself. One does not exclude the other.

Thanks for your input.

[army of nobunaga]

Well those of us who like history disagree. Each map tells a different story in a different way, and although the canvass is similar -Europe or North America - the gameplay for each map is always new.

You are most welcome to suggest other maps or develop them yourself. One does not exclude the other.

Thanks for your input.

How in the hell does this tell a different story???

You want a napoleon map that tells a story and is a piece of artwork? Try Austerlitz... Like one of the best maps in the game.
How exactly is this different from Europe 1914 or the other europe maps? because the only difference I can really tell is the deliniation of territorys is diff and the artwork.

I mean whatever,,, just dont get hurt over the truth.

[army of nobunaga]

sorry - meant to say... this map is friggin identical to third crusade... a europe map plus some extra stuff. .. I really need to get off the thread because I know im jsut upsetting ppl even though I believe its the truth. This map looks good, and Im sure ppl will love it. Gl.

[Raskholnikov]

Well if you read the legend and study the gameplay you will see exactly how it is different from Europe 1914. And, of course, it has nothing to so with Third Cruisade besides the fact that the artist is the same.

In any case, enjoy playing the maps you like, and give this one a try when it goes Beta. You might even like it

[army of nobunaga]

I play every map, every setting... someone at 1400 games such as yourself may not get this. Ill play your map. But for a lot of us its gonna be a been there done this type of thing.

Im trying to help CC. Not hurt your feelings or make an enemy. This is just another re-incarnation in my opinion. We will have to agree to dis-agree man. And for what its worth your artwork is better than a lot of the current euro maps.

gl in you mapmaking days, may your next one be special.

[Kabanellas]

Thanks Nobu

[jefjef]

I play every map, every setting... someone at 1400 games such as yourself may not get this. Ill play your map. But for a lot of us its gonna be a been there done this type of thing.

Im trying to help CC. Not hurt your feelings or make an enemy. This is just another re-incarnation in my opinion. We will have to agree to dis-agree man. And for what its worth your artwork is better than a lot of the current euro maps.

gl in you mapmaking days, may your next one be special.

Pay no mind to buzz kill here. He only hates the world.

[Kabanellas]

keeping track on things - waiting for graphics stamp:


Large map - Version 33

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Small map - Version 33

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[ender516]

Does Egypt start as a neutral 2? It seems to on the large map, but not on the small.