Feudal Epic, L&S, Pg. 49 [D, Gp, Gr]

[gimil]

I think I am in the camp of not liking the one-way exits, but i appreciate the fact that there would be more options available to each player. I agree with the above concerns about everybody's first opponent being more or less pre-determined, which means that in games with an odd number of players somebody will have an advantage by being paired with a neutral. Could the same effect be had by giving each realm to gates in/out, or just scattering some more bridges around?

And I also nod my head to yeti's astute comment about the the victory condition being meaningless - hold all of the castles and the game is over regardless of whether or not it's a victory condition. Right now the victory condition just saves a round of mopping-up, which is kind of fun after a hard-fought game.

The victory condition can go then. Although it can be fun to use in a freestyle speed to gain a quick win while their is stills strong opposition?

The point you make on being paired with a neutral is a good one. We could increase the number of neutrals on a neutral castle so that the balances out that sort of start. Would that be an option worth considering?

[yeti_c]

I think I am in the camp of not liking the one-way exits, but i appreciate the fact that there would be more options available to each player. I agree with the above concerns about everybody's first opponent being more or less pre-determined, which means that in games with an odd number of players somebody will have an advantage by being paired with a neutral. Could the same effect be had by giving each realm to gates in/out, or just scattering some more bridges around?

And I also nod my head to yeti's astute comment about the the victory condition being meaningless - hold all of the castles and the game is over regardless of whether or not it's a victory condition. Right now the victory condition just saves a round of mopping-up, which is kind of fun after a hard-fought game.

The victory condition can go then. Although it can be fun to use in a freestyle speed to gain a quick win while their is stills strong opposition?

The point you make on being paired with a neutral is a good one. We could increase the number of neutrals on a neutral castle so that the balances out that sort of start. Would that be an option worth considering?

We can only do that by using Starting positions... which change the dynamic for 1v1 games to each player having 4 castles each (IMO would ruin 1v1)

C.

[gimil]

We can only do that by using Starting positions... which change the dynamic for 1v1 games to each player having 4 castles each (IMO would ruin 1v1)

C.

I think 4 castles each in 1v1 would be fun IMO.

[yeti_c]

We can only do that by using Starting positions... which change the dynamic for 1v1 games to each player having 4 castles each (IMO would ruin 1v1)

C.

I think 4 castles each in 1v1 would be fun IMO.

Maybe - but having 2 each with 4 neutrals sounds a lot of fun to me... especially in the fog.

C.

[gimil]

We can only do that by using Starting positions... which change the dynamic for 1v1 games to each player having 4 castles each (IMO would ruin 1v1)

C.

I think 4 castles each in 1v1 would be fun IMO.

Maybe - but having 2 each with 4 neutrals sounds a lot of fun to me... especially in the fog.

C.

Matter of opinion, any suggestions to combat being paired with a neutral?

[yeti_c]

We can only do that by using Starting positions... which change the dynamic for 1v1 games to each player having 4 castles each (IMO would ruin 1v1)

C.

I think 4 castles each in 1v1 would be fun IMO.

Maybe - but having 2 each with 4 neutrals sounds a lot of fun to me... especially in the fog.

C.

Matter of opinion, any suggestions to combat being paired with a neutral?

In FOW games - it won't matter...

It will make the castle easier to conquer - but you won't know it's a neutral til you attack it - It would be safer to aim for the local village first? - otherwise you could be opening yourself up for a massive can of whoop ass.

C.

[gimil]

We can only do that by using Starting positions... which change the dynamic for 1v1 games to each player having 4 castles each (IMO would ruin 1v1)

C.

I think 4 castles each in 1v1 would be fun IMO.

Maybe - but having 2 each with 4 neutrals sounds a lot of fun to me... especially in the fog.

C.

Matter of opinion, any suggestions to combat being paired with a neutral?

In FOW games - it won't matter...

It will make the castle easier to conquer - but you won't know it's a neutral til you attack it - It would be safer to aim for the local village first? - otherwise you could be opening yourself up for a massive can of whoop ass.

C.

Ok being paired with a neutral isn't a problem unless it is a sunny games. Now what?

[Ditocoaf]

I think the only solution, in regards to sunny games, is make it so that you're not "paired" with another castle. Overall, the whole paired-up setting is too limiting--and I really don't think it's that way in FW. I'm sorry if you disagree, and I realize a lot of effort went into the map thus far... but I personally can't see this as being open and strategic.

[gimil]

So, your suggestion is to start again?

[Ditocoaf]

So, your suggestion is to start again?

No... I suppose I'm just disappointed that the first draft presented to the public was already so far towards completion that an improvement like this would require "starting again." Go ahead and finish your map; I'll stop pestering you.

[gimil]

So, your suggestion is to start again?

No... I suppose I'm just disappointed that the first draft presented to the public was already so far towards completion that an improvement like this would require "starting again." Go ahead and finish your map; I'll stop pestering you.

I appreciate and respect what your saying Dito, this is just more towards the way I envisioned the map.

Don't worry thou, there will be more feudals and ill get your advice next time round, promise

[n00blet]

there will be more feudals

May I be the first to give this a standing ovation:



I can't wait for this, and the future installments of Feudal

[stahrgazer]

Why not start folks with a combo of castles/villages rather than just the castles? Make the entire map a random-start thing. Some might get 2 castles, some might get 2 villages, some might get one of each. The "I have no castle" could be offset by awarding someone with 2 villages the same autodeploys as if a village and castle were owned (the rich merchant thing)

[hecter]

Why not start folks with a combo of castles/villages rather than just the castles? Make the entire map a random-start thing. Some might get 2 castles, some might get 2 villages, some might get one of each. The "I have no castle" could be offset by awarding someone with 2 villages the same autodeploys as if a village and castle were owned (the rich merchant thing)

No... Starting off with just villages would be a death sentence.

[gimil]

Why not start folks with a combo of castles/villages rather than just the castles? Make the entire map a random-start thing. Some might get 2 castles, some might get 2 villages, some might get one of each. The "I have no castle" could be offset by awarding someone with 2 villages the same autodeploys as if a village and castle were owned (the rich merchant thing)

No... Starting off with just villages would be a death sentence.

Agreed, death sentence. To open for the village to make an effective starting position.

[nemrehs1]

i would love to play this map

[Kotaro]

It'd be interesting if this map gave different auto-deploys for villages and castles, so that it won't be just defined as a bigger Feudal War.

Discuss

[Kotaro]

Anyone? Bigger map, bigger Auto-Deploys?

[Kotaro]

*pokes thread*

OMG IT'S NOT BREATHING! GET THE CART STAT!

*shocks the thread*
LIIIIIVE!!!!!! LIVE DAMN YOU! YOU CAN'T LEAVE ME LIKE THIS!!!

[n00blet]

I agree. This thread needs some new discussion.....And what a better place than to start with bigger/smaller auto-deploys?
Did you have anything specific in mind?

[Kotaro]

Hmm. Well, the map is gaining +1/3 new castles.. Double maybe?

[bbqpenguin]

this may have already been asked and addressed, but;

do you really need the minimap? seems kind of silly to me, i can distinguish the various regions just fine without it. if it's a big deal,make the coloring between them (the shades of green) a little more distinct so you can easily tell where one begins and the next ends

if you get rid of it, you free up valuable space for more legend info, or you can expand RoM/Great Kingdom, or you can make a bigger, sexier Feudal Epic logo for that corner, or if you're particularly vain you can make your signatures extra big instead of those puny scribbles beneath the logo

[yeti_c]

this may have already been asked and addressed, but;

do you really need the minimap? seems kind of silly to me, i can distinguish the various regions just fine without it. if it's a big deal,make the coloring between them (the shades of green) a little more distinct so you can easily tell where one begins and the next ends

Where do the region names go?

c.

[bbqpenguin]

this may have already been asked and addressed, but;

do you really need the minimap? seems kind of silly to me, i can distinguish the various regions just fine without it. if it's a big deal,make the coloring between them (the shades of green) a little more distinct so you can easily tell where one begins and the next ends

Where do the region names go?

c.

i think this could be fixed by simply having a line (possibly in the new space created) saying something like 'territories named according to the castle that rules them' or something along those lines. or you could make the labels for the castles a bit bigger. if you notice, there's not minimap on FW but people get along just fine without it, there




edit: well, i just looked at the map and it turns out that there is indeed a minimap on FW. however, i have never noticed it and i would contend that most other people don't use it either (though i may be mistaken). it seems much easier, at least to me, to just look at whatever castle is in the region than to reference a minimap

[Kotaro]

The Castle territories aren't the problem, it's the places outside there, around the villages.