Re: WWI: Gallipoli [9.9.15] V39 (p22) [Quenched]

[cairnswk]

The most fantastic museum I have ever been to is the war Museum and Anitkabir in Ankara. In one section, you walk through a simulated Geibolu. Absolutely amazing! The sound system gives you the sense that bullets are whizzing past your head and the mortar exploding at your feet. You can walk through the medic tents as the Red Crescent attend to the wounded. Make your way to the attack hills and hear the "Mehmets" chanting "Allah, Allah, Allah..." as they go find their bullet. Can not visit there enough.

Excellent! I have also been through the Australian War Memorial in Canberra where this is also a whole section devoted to Gallipoli Campaign, but i guess largely from the ANZAC perspective.

I'm sure nothing you have not seen already but this is an interesting web site.

http://www.byegm.gov.tr/yayinlarimiz/ki ... libolu.pdf

No i had not seen this document/site. Thank-you for that.

I am far from happy with the map. There are aspects of it that i would like to enhance and improve greatly.
The main battle concern is that the xml doesn't allow for natural decay to neutral for the batteships. Here's hoping!

[cairnswk]

for the past two versions, the map isn't showing up at all.

captain, it must be your browser/software somewhere.

[captainwalrus]

for the past two versions, the map isn't showing up at all.

captain, it must be your browser/software somewhere.

all the other versions worked fine.

[cairnswk]

Current Version

[captainwalrus]

I got firefox and I can finally see the last few updates. It is looking really good.
The shadow is a little much on the impassibles at the edge of the peninsula but I think that the other ones should be a little darker.

[Teflon Kris]

Its looking like the 'decay to 0' is way beyond the horizon at the moment.

With the objective being tricky it may be worth investigating some way of attacking the battleships - maybe something with a reasonably-sized neutral so that your original gameplay-idea for the battleships would still happen.

[cairnswk]

Its looking like the 'decay to 0' is way beyond the horizon at the moment.

With the objective being tricky it may be worth investigating some way of attacking the battleships - maybe something with a reasonably-sized neutral so that your original gameplay-idea for the battleships would still happen.

Mmmmm. with the Turks not having firepower that could hit the battleships, i am reluctant to introduce anything other than what happened less it make it NOT Galipolli.

[thenobodies80]

On Vacation.
If the mapmaker wants to continue this map, a CA will move the thread back to the main foundry after an update is posted.

[moved]

[Bruceswar]

How about bringing this back with supersize?

[cairnswk]

How about bringing this back with supersize?

Bruceswar...i think IndustrialHelix had taken over this map and had started doing something on it...but we're waiting on lackattack to do something for the XML so that the battleships can reduce to nil by 1 per round.
Having said that, i believe there may be another solution with the losing condition for the xml regardless of the battleship armies.
Stay tuned.

[Nola_Lifer]

How about bringing this back with supersize?

Bruceswar...i think IndustrialHelix had taken over this map and had started doing something on it...but we're waiting on lackattack to do something for the XML so that the battleships can reduce to nil by 1 per round.
Having said that, i believe there may be another solution with the losing condition for the xml regardless of the battleship armies.
Stay tuned.

What's the word on this one?

[cairnswk]

How about bringing this back with supersize?

Bruceswar...i think IndustrialHelix had taken over this map and had started doing something on it...but we're waiting on lackattack to do something for the XML so that the battleships can reduce to nil by 1 per round.
Having said that, i believe there may be another solution with the losing condition for the xml regardless of the battleship armies.
Stay tuned.

What's the word on this one?

The word is that i will take it up again...so if someone could move it to drafts...it needs stamping
IH has indicated he does not want to carry on with it, and since the graphics require some work on mountains and ridges, the gameplay is almost sorted.
Previously we had no xml for the battleships as discussed above, however, that can be changed (as advised by Sully) to having the battleships as a losing condition...so players must ensure the battleships stay in play.
As soon as it is moved, i will start discussion and work on it.

[isaiah40]

This already has the draft stamp, but:

If the mapmaker wants to continue this map, a CA will move the thread back to the main foundry after an update is posted.

Once this is done then it can be moved.

isaiah40

[DiM]

the graphics require some work on mountains and ridges

i'd say the graphics require some work on everything. a fresh start would probably be best.
this map looked mediocre for 2009.
3 years have passed since then. i'm sure 2009's mediocre graphics surely won't be sufficient for 2012.

[cairnswk]

This already has the draft stamp, but:

If the mapmaker wants to continue this map, a CA will move the thread back to the main foundry after an update is posted.

Once this is done then it can be moved.

isaiah40

so it does, isaiah40. one update coming up...

[cairnswk]

the graphics require some work on mountains and ridges

i'd say the graphics require some work on everything. a fresh start would probably be best.
this map looked mediocre for 2009.
3 years have passed since then. i'm sure 2009's mediocre graphics surely won't be sufficient for 2012.

you are of course entitled to your opinion, i happen again to disgree with you as usual.
at least i may be able to work some decent mountains and ridges in PS now

[DiM]

the graphics require some work on mountains and ridges

i'd say the graphics require some work on everything. a fresh start would probably be best.
this map looked mediocre for 2009.
3 years have passed since then. i'm sure 2009's mediocre graphics surely won't be sufficient for 2012.

you are of course entitled to your opinion, i happen again to disgree with you as usual.
at least i may be able to work some decent mountains and ridges in PS now

so you're telling me you honestly believe this latest version is up to par with the current graphic standards?

and by current graphic standards i mean:
http://wcforums.org/AfricaFiles/africa.L.png
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/1328/scourt2v16img.png
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/7303/nam8.png

oh well, if that's the case then i guess i can dig up some of my old maps. termitarium could work. i'll just work on some ridges and off to beta with it.

[cairnswk]

One of the notes i had made to self back then, was to insert Ari Burni as a territory. Ari Burni, is the point at the north end of Anzac Cove. I simply don't think there is enough space to do this.
From the perspective the map is already at its required small size, i don't want to increase it to supersize.

[Nola_Lifer]

One of the notes i had made to self back then, was to insert Ari Burni as a territory. Ari Burni, is the point at the north end of Anzac Cove. I simply don't think there is enough space to do this.
From the perspective the map is already at its required small size, i don't want to increase it to supersize.

Is this historically important or game play important?

[cairnswk]

One of the notes i had made to self back then, was to insert Ari Burni as a territory. Ari Burni, is the point at the north end of Anzac Cove. I simply don't think there is enough space to do this.
From the perspective the map is already at its required small size, i don't want to increase it to supersize.

Is this historically important or game play important?

it was historically important and i think someone wanted it as it was the site of the Dawn service until 2000 and it is the site of a cemetary.

There are many areas that are gameplay and historically important but not all can be included obviously because of space.
The design of the map was to include the Anzac section but to give an overall gameplay scenario for the invasion of the Peninsula...thus players have an opportunity to do the reverse of what the historical outcome was.

[cairnswk]

An update V19.

1. New Losing condition - Players failing to hold non-battleship territory will be eliminated.
This allows battleships to use their starting numbers for invasion, but since the Turks could not reach them with battery fire from shore, it keeps them in play, but demands that players can be eliminated without them anyway.
2. Moved some connections around for the battleships to landing craft.

To do for gameplay:
1. add some shore batteries i.e. at Gaba Tepe
2. ensure gameplay numbers are good

[thenobodies80]

2 quick questions:

1. Landing Beaches can only bombard landing craft? if yes you have to change your connections between battleships and land because one way attacks have a different arrow.
2. The objective: all land territories. Really? I think it's impossible! If I'm able to hold all those regions I shold have the power to annihilate the opponent in other ways...i think no one will try that objective.

oh, btw...last question do you want this one moved back or it's just "testing ground"?

Nobodies

[cairnswk]

2 quick questions:

1. Landing Beaches can only bombard landing craft? if yes you have to change your connections between battleships and land because one way attacks have a different arrow.

Yes. i'll change that line to reflect one-way arrow

2. The objective: all land territories. Really? I think it's impossible! If I'm able to hold all those regions I shold have the power to annihilate the opponent in other ways...i think no one will try that objective.

OK, good point. i'll remove that... and see if anyone has any other option for an objective, or if we need one at all.

oh, btw...last question do you want this one moved back or it's just "testing ground"?
Nobodies

yes please move this back.

And while i am at it...a question...since the foundry is really slow at present from the lack of movement in FF -> Beta, do you think it would be appropriate to extend the update period from one month to two months?

[isaiah40]

[Moved] due to an update being made! Welcome back cairns!!

As for the update time frame, that'll be a tnb question.

[cairnswk]

[Moved] due to an update being made! Welcome back cairns!!

As for the update time frame, that'll be a tnb question.

thanks isaiah40.