Re: Magyarország [1/6] V12 PG 1/7
Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 5:56 am
Looking good to me now. If no objections are raised, I will start on the small one next.
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Jatekos wrote:Apart from one typo (you wrote Slovines instead of Slovenes on the map), it looks good to me, too.
iancanton wrote:Also, Saved Land, not Saved land.
Jatekos wrote:On page 5, you were experimenting with darker text boxes. I think that (or something similar) would fit more with the other colours of the map. At the moment, the legend at the bottom stands out and seems to be too much in the focus, because of the light brown colour used for the boxes.
Yes, the white shapes would be more noticeable with the darker text boxes, but e.g. they could be light brown instead, like the boxes are now.
I would also suggest not using these soldier and cannon shapes at those specific areas where there is also another image (You could delete them from the "legend key" section, or keep only one of the 3 and move it behind the text in the bottom right of that box. At the "Shattered land bonus" box, you could move these 3 images closer to each other and move them to the right a bit, so that the soldier on the left would get next to the images of the zones, instead of behind them.)
iancanton wrote:before World War Two, this conflict wasn't actually called World War One.
tokle wrote:iancanton wrote:before World War Two, this conflict wasn't actually called World War One.
This is not true. It might be a bit pedantic of me, but the term "first world war" was used by historians since as early as 1914.
Some notes about the text:
The white text on the white background is difficult to read.
You are using the word "nationals" in the wrong sense. "Nationals" means a citizen of a nation-state. What you mean to say is "ethnic Hungarians".
I don't know what you mean by saying they were "displaced", though. There weren't any major population movements in these teritories after this.
koontz1973 wrote:You are using the word "nationals" in the wrong sense. "Nationals" means a citizen of a nation-state. What you mean to say is "ethnic Hungarians".
I don't know what you mean by saying they were "displaced", though. There weren't any major population movements in these teritories after this.
Hungarian national as the Kingdom of Hungary was a nation state. They became ethnic Hungarians after the treaty. Displaced in the sense that these people went to bed living in Hungary and woke up living in other countries, this is an over simplification of it. It may not be the same as forcing someone out of there home but it is correct.
koontz1973 wrote:Displace, means to move from one position, to take the place, or to remove from the usual or correct place. So why is it incorrect in this sense? These people where not force ably removed from their homes, but they where removed from their country. Therefore, they where displaced.
Annexed was chosen over occupied so as not to inflame national sensibilities. Only 3 of the surrounding countries occupied with force, and one of those did it peacefully. To use the term occupied suggests that they all came in with guns blazing. So, with Italy having Fiume, where the Italians where the majority, it was just a natural shift from one state to another and was a natural process for that city.
The remaining land is given to the victors.
I would suggest to leave out the part about "" altogether. Make the map about land only. The premise would be that Hungary has lost all this land to its neighbouring countries, and now it's time for you to win them back.displacing Hungarian nationals
After the great war of 1914-18, Europe lies in ruins. As a result of the treaty of Trianon, the kingdom of Hungary is reduced to 28% of its pre war size.
The annexed lands are given to the victors, displacing more than 3 million Hungarian nationals. Win them back.
Oneyed wrote:using "displacing" here is mistake. the Hungars were lived in lands which become new states were not displaced. they had possibility to choose - stay there or go to Hungary.
"displacing" means what was happen to Germans from Sudetes after WW II, for example...
and one notice to "win back annexed lands". this is just map/game, but from where the f*ck Hungars have demand on these lands? all nations (and lands) which were later annexed to Hungarian Empire lived here before arrival of Hungars.
Oneyed
koontz1973 wrote:I agreed to change the wording if anyone can come up with something. As I stated to tokle, the wording is correct,After the great war of 1914-18, Europe lies in ruins. As a result of the treaty of Trianon, the kingdom of Hungary is reduced to 28% of its pre war size.
This part of the story is correct, and will not change.The annexed lands are given to the victors, displacing more than 3 million Hungarian nationals. Win them back.
The only thing that seems to be causing contention here are the words annexed and displacing.
The original wording had occupied instead of annexed. This word is far more contentious, and also wrong. Fiume was was fought over by the Italians and the KoSCS. The Austrian part was given but it was never occupied. And in the end, some of these regions wanted to return to Hungary and did so peaceably.
Displacing, even though it is not the same as what we consider it to be today, it is correct.
Hungarian national. As we spoke before on this, the Hungarian national in the border regions where people of Hungarian nationality. In places they where the majority, in others they where not.
Will change the wording for the second part if some one comes up with a better wording. If not, it will stay the same.
Win back the lost lands