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How many armies do you need to take out another player?

PostPosted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 6:48 pm
by macbone
When I'm deciding whether I have enough armies to take out someone else, I add up all of the player's armies and add 1 for each territory I need to conquer.

Say the enemy has six territories, with 8, 3, 3, 2, 1, 1. I'd make sure I have at least 24 armies in this case.

Is my estimation too low? Is there a better gauge for armies needed to eliminate another player?

Re: How many armies do you need to take out another player?

PostPosted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 6:53 pm
by slowreactor
Well, I always try to have AT LEAST 5-10 more than the number of troops that I'll have to kill with that 1 stack, which means if I'm splitting up to attack, I'll have even more. If there are quite a few 1's also, I'll add a few more troops for that.

Re: How many armies do you need to take out another player?

PostPosted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 7:55 pm
by jefjef
4 X as many with these "random" dice is a good idea.

Re: How many armies do you need to take out another player?

PostPosted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 8:58 pm
by dhallmeyer
macbone wrote:When I'm deciding whether I have enough armies to take out someone else, I add up all of the player's armies and add 1 for each territory I need to conquer.

Say the enemy has six territories, with 8, 3, 3, 2, 1, 1. I'd make sure I have at least 24 armies in this case.

Is my estimation too low? Is there a better gauge for armies needed to eliminate another player?



I like this theory, but it sounds vaguely familiar... I've found that if you have average dice it will work 75% of the time or better. If you can't get those numbers, cash and spread, and hope for a hanging. I've made quite a few sweeps lately on the turn AFTER I cashed because the targets didn't line up just right.

Re: How many armies do you need to take out another player?

PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 12:07 pm
by mpjh
I think for a minimum you need 1.5 superiority plus 1 for each territory, when dealing with relatively small stacks. This works about 75-80% of the time. Large stacks are different and sometimes less than 1.5 superiority works.

You can get dice analyzer and look at each play if you are interested in real odds calculations.

Re: How many armies do you need to take out another player?

PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 9:08 pm
by macbone
Much appreciated, guys. I think I'll use the formula for larger stacks, and 1.5 fir smaller ones.

Re: How many armies do you need to take out another player?

PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 9:42 am
by b00kw0rm
I find that there is absolutely no way to tell whether or not you have enough. I've had games where I took out all 10 of an enemy with 6 of my own, with 2 casualties, and other games where 12 wasn't enough for 2 enemies.

Basically, I just get at least twice as many units as my target has and hope for the best.

Re: How many armies do you need to take out another player?

PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 10:55 am
by Beckytheblondie
macbone wrote:When I'm deciding whether I have enough armies to take out someone else, I add up all of the player's armies and add 1 for each territory I need to conquer.

Say the enemy has six territories, with 8, 3, 3, 2, 1, 1. I'd make sure I have at least 24 armies in this case.

Is my estimation too low? Is there a better gauge for armies needed to eliminate another player?



Download assault odds calculator. This 1.5x rule is incorrect. Truth is that you only need 87 troops to take out 100 half of the time.

Here's a summary:

20 v 8, 3, 3, 2, 1, 1 = 48% chance of success.
21 = 55%
22 = 62%
23 = 68%
24 = 74%
25 = 79%
26 = 83%
27 = 86%
28 = 89%
29 = 92%
30 = 94%

Re: How many armies do you need to take out another player?

PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 10:59 am
by Denise
macbone wrote:When I'm deciding whether I have enough armies to take out someone else, I add up all of the player's armies and add 1 for each territory I need to conquer.

Say the enemy has six territories, with 8, 3, 3, 2, 1, 1. I'd make sure I have at least 24 armies in this case.

Is my estimation too low? Is there a better gauge for armies needed to eliminate another player?


I use this method but add at least 5 or 6 armies on top of it. Sometimes it is more than enough, other times no. :( Yesterday I had 14 armies on 2 terr to take out 6 (which would have given me the game) and the dice failed. Guess I forgot to touch the dice with my lucky wand.

Re: How many armies do you need to take out another player?

PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:04 am
by Beckytheblondie
Lock this thread. I already gave the correct answer :-^ . Thanks

Re: How many armies do you need to take out another player?

PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:09 am
by natty dread
When I go for a kill I try to have twice the amount of armies of my opponent. Sometimes you can get really unlucky... and sometimes you can get lucky. But I usually don't risk it with less troops, unless it's kill or get killed...

Re: How many armies do you need to take out another player?

PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:13 am
by Prankcall
macbone wrote:When I'm deciding whether I have enough armies to take out someone else, I add up all of the player's armies and add 1 for each territory I need to conquer.

Say the enemy has six territories, with 8, 3, 3, 2, 1, 1. I'd make sure I have at least 24 armies in this case.

Is my estimation too low? Is there a better gauge for armies needed to eliminate another player?

What kinda game is this? Escalating,flat rate or no cards? Makes a difference..

Re: How many armies do you need to take out another player?

PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:40 am
by knubbel
in an 8 player esc game I might go for a kill with only 30 % success. (if i will be able to win the game after the kill). Only if i think my chances will raise if I don't go for it i won't take the risk. like always it depends on the situation.

Re: How many armies do you need to take out another player?

PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 6:26 pm
by Denise
Prankcall wrote:
macbone wrote:When I'm deciding whether I have enough armies to take out someone else, I add up all of the player's armies and add 1 for each territory I need to conquer.

Say the enemy has six territories, with 8, 3, 3, 2, 1, 1. I'd make sure I have at least 24 armies in this case.

Is my estimation too low? Is there a better gauge for armies needed to eliminate another player?

What kinda game is this? Escalating,flat rate or no cards? Makes a difference..


Is escalating :)