Conquer Club

NUMBER OF REGIONS

68 freely distributed starting regions
29 neutral regions
97 regions in total

_6 Eastern Europe zone
10 Russia zone
10 Kazakhstan zone
_6 Turkey zone
_3 Caucasus zone
_4 Central Asia zone
10 China zone
_6 Africa zone
10 Middle East zone
_6 Iran zone
_6 Afpak zone
10 India zone

_2 contested regions
_1 al-mahdi region
_1 nsa region
_2 fleets
_4 seas
97 regions in total

LEGENDS TEXTS

> OIL MASTERY
When Demand Outstrips Supply
- by Raskholnikov, pamoa, ender516
To WIN, control oil flow for one round
- hold either the Mahdi and all 10 Terrorists
- or 1 Capital and all 11 Metropolises

> AL-MAHDI
The Prophesized Redeemer of Islam or
The Occulted Twelfth Imam :
- can be revealed by any Uprising
- can conquer Cairo or any Terrorist
- gives +2 for each Terrorist controlled

> N.S.A.
National Security Agency, the United States
signals intelligence or cyber-army :
- can be requested by any Capital
- can cyber-bombard any Metropolis
- reverts to 6 neutral following round

> SEA CONTROL
Black Sea, Caspian Sea, Mediteranean Sea
and Indian Ocean ( including Red Sea and
( P.G.) Persian Gulf ) :
- each connects to all bordering Tankers
- all revert to 3 neutral following round

> SPECIAL ATTACKS
Capitals
__one-way attack US Fleets or NSA
Metropolises
__attack each other
US Fleets revert to 4 neutral
__bombard in their range
__any Terrorist, Tanker or Refinery
NSA revert to 6 neutral
__bombard any Metropolis
Terrorists
__attack each other
__bombard Refineries in a range of two
Uprisings
__one-way attack Al-Mahdi
Al-Mahdi
__one-way attacks Cairo or Terrorists

> BONUSES
Regions + 3 regardless of number held
Capitals + 1
Metropolises + 1 auto-deploy
Uprisings - 1 each turn
Terrorists if held with Al-Mahdi
__+ 2 each
Refineries if held with a Capital
__+ 4 for first eight then +2 for every four
Tankers if held with a Capital
__+ 3 for first six then + 2 for every three
Kashmir + 2 if held with
__New Delhi, Islamabad or Beijing
Arunchal + 1 if held with
__New Delhi or Beijing

> ZONES' BONUSES
Eastern Europe 5
Russia 7
Kazakhstan 10
Turkey 3
Cuaucasus 3
Central Asia 5
China 5
Africa 2
Middle East 3
Iran 4
AFPAK 4
India 4

Industrial Helix wrote:How exactly the largest oil producing nation in the world ended as non-playable on this map is beyond me. I'm of course talking about Saudi Arabia.

Of course it is in play. It will look better and clearer on the first draft Pamoa will post

The graphics are pretty rough on the eyes at this point, but I expect that will improve as Pomoa is quite proven.

Indeed!

I think its overcomplicated though the core idea is pretty good.

Yes, we will simplify some things. In particular, tankers will not have any conection lines but be connected with their territories.

I think you should super simplify the Baltic/Caspian sea things.

Yes, that will be done. In addition, the Caucasus / Caspian area will have an enlarged window, for more clarity.

You also need to get rid of the refinery connection lines. Perhaps let the refineries sit on their territories. You can replicate the pipline dynamic with a sort of hold 3 refineries for +2, hold 5 for +4, ect.

I'm not sure I want to get rid of pipelines at this early point, since the map's purpose is to show the connections between refineries, pipelines and tankers. We'll post the first version and then consider all suggestions

I'll be keeping an eye on this one.

GSP JR wrote:This has an interesting concept going for it. I like the idea, and would like to see what can be done to it.

On the strategy, does holding a state mean the capital or the entire state? Just wanted to clarify that.

We are reviewing this; it will be clearer in the up-coming draft.

Could you find a way to add in another fleet and have limits to the reach of the fleets. Maybe have one stationed in the Gulf, since the US typically has a fleet stationed in that area?

We have already; the US 5th Fleet will be stationed in the Indian Ocean just at the entrance of the Gulf. US fleets will be conquerable by one-way attacks from any capitals and, in turn, will be able to attack all tankers, refineries and terrorists. They will revert to plus 3 neutral at the end of each round.

I'd like to see where this one goes, nice concept!

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n all seriousness though, it looks real nice. You'll have to work on clarity - there's lots of stuff going on on the map, I'm not sure if that's a bit too much... I'm thinking you might have an easier ride through the foundry if you would just simplify the map somewhat. But then again Raskholnikov has never been known to do things the easy way...

Well we do need to work on gameplay so we're open to suggestions.

Graphically, I have very mixed feelings about this. I like the blue colour scheme and the industrial look. They look nice. But at the same time it kinda makes everything blend together so it's a bit hard to find anything on the map... I realize this is just a first draft, but I thought this would give you something to work on when you advance to later forums.

Keep in mind this is a starting points map with no bonuses given for countries as such. But I see your point and hopefully there will be a way to tone down the blueness of the land and emphasise the colored contours.

Another criticism is, that the insets are a bit hard to place on the map - at least for those who don't know the geography. When you use insets, they should be used so that you can easily see which part of the map the inset represents, and this is going to need some work.

The reviewers will make make suggestions and recommendations for the development of the map idea, with successful design concepts being moved into the Gameplay Workshop.

Pamoa wrote:Does that mean I should throw away a 50 hours job and start something new?

The concept is great, I like the graphics, but the gameplay is too complicated and overcrowded. Don't throw it away, but I can't move it to gameplay like this.

Gameplay Development Guidelines

The development of solid, balanced gameplay is one of the first challenges of map development. In order to meet gameplay expectations and make your map successful, you will need to incorporate the following elements:


Balanced deployment - It should be unlikely that one or more players can start the game with a major advantage as a result of the initial drop or getting the first turn. Conquer Club is primarily a strategy game, and we therefore like to minimise as many of the luck factors as possible - the dice are randomness enough!

Reasonable bonus structure - Bonuses should make sense given the size/style of the map, and be based on a consistent formula. Consideration should be given to balancing the strength of the board, ensuring that no specific area of the map gives an overwhelming advantage from the start of a game.

Game type flexibility - The map should support various game types and not be designed with specific/limited game settings in mind (standard, assassin, fog of war, 2 players, etc.). Maps designed for fewer than 8-players should be discouraged, and will only be approved if the map is really something special.

Player-friendliness - Any information you need to know to play a map should be easy to gather by looking at the map itself. The legend should be clear, concise and consistent; the map itself should be free of unnecessary or cumbersome rules that push it over the line separating complex from confusing.

Open-play - There should be many ways a game might progress on a map, and many roads to victory. Such features as unpassable borders should enhance, not limit, gameplay, and every effort should be made to limit the number of dead ends and bottlenecks in a map, unless they are justified by the desired play of the map. The map should be fun to play, not frustrating.

Function trumps form - The style of the graphics should not detract from ease of play: borders should be clear, titles and numbers easy to read, colors easy to distinguish, etc...

Form must follow function - So important it's on the list twice! Expect to show some flexibility and be prepared to move away from complete geographical accuracy or historical authenticity: the look and theme of the map must be utterly subservient to gameplay and legibility.

natty_dread wrote:Well. At first sight this looks interesting. I would recommend doing a draft of the small version with 888:s to ensure everything will fit properly. You don't want to run into the same problems you had with the napoleon map...

natty_dread wrote:

Pamoa wrote:Does that mean I should throw away a 50 hours job and start something new?

This is a reason why you should not put too much work in a first draft. The idea of the foundry as I see it is not that you work 50 hours on a map, then put it up and expect that it will glide through the forums since "you have worked on it so much already"... it's more that you post an idea, people get to give it feedback, and you start working on the idea based on the feedback, advancing the map bit by bit...

Elijah S wrote: