[Abandoned] - Maze Craze

[WidowMakers]

Can I get my "Game Play Pending NEW XML Feature" stamp too oak?

Thanks

Feeling left out?

I just don't want people to think this map is dead. Especially since when the new feature comes out I would like yeti_c to type the XML and QUENCH it.

So are there any suggestions to game play anyone?

WM

[bbqpenguin]

this needs to be a map yesterday

[n00blet]

How beast would this be with infected neutrals?
Instant death...the carnage would be insane

[yeti_c]

That would become the new Ass doodle - 2 turns then instadeath!

Last man standing wins!!

C.

[WidowMakers]

How beast would this be with infected neutrals?
Instant death...the carnage would be insane

yes it would. Pick a corner and Hide. lol

[WidowMakers]

Late response to Oaktown's post 4 months ago. I figure we can get all of this done now and be ready for a quick quench when the XML update is here.

I'd like to see a horizontal line in the top left legend separating the "Revert to 30 neutrals" line with the rest fo the info in that box, since they aren't related. You've used lines in that way elsewhere in the legend.

DONE

So really the high neutral reset is just to make walls, yes? That's cool.

Yes that is the main point. Allow easy movement first to get everyone settled. Then Build your walls to protect your bonus.

That said, the key to holding any color bonus is going to be setting up walls around yourself as you advance. The easiest colors to hold - and therefor the colors that should receive the smallest bonuses - will be the ones that can be taken progressively, with walls being easily constructed behind you for defense. Obviously the corner and side colors will be the easiest starts. For example, you can hold yellow by creating 14 walls and holding three points. White can be held with 17 walls and defending six points. To hold red you need to create 21 walls and hold 6 defense points. Gray requires just 12 walls and 5 defense points. Yellow and gray seem to be the easier holds, yet they are both worth more than either white or red. And yellow seems to be worth way to much relative to, say, the light green, which will require you to create 16 wall squares and hold two points: +27 for a region that may be more difficult to hold than a +42 region?

I haven't looked all the way back through this thread to see how the bonuses were calculated, but I think that the main ingredient has to be how many unique individual points of contact a region has with neighbors. The light green may look nice and safe against the top edge, but it has almost as many unique points of contact (18) as the white region (23). And poor purple: 25 points of contact yet it's worth less than white, yellow, and gray.

of course, this only takes into consideration ease of holding the entire region, not the ease of setting up walls as you advance. Some regions (like white) will require you to create more walls along the way to keep your enemies from breaking through from other arms of the white region. Whew!

That is a bunch to respond to but I will try my best. First of all the bonus were setup to make sure that the overall bonus for holding the entire color set more than the individual bonuses. Basically if a color set has more sub sets, the entire color is worth more. Now I think the sub set bonuses are ok. This means the overall color bonuses will need to be tweaked higher to reflect the actual difficulty or easy of holding a region.

Below are the numbers (that I found) as far as direct connections (i.e. a border with another color group and wall connections (borders to a wall that directly border another color NO diagonals). They are sorted from smallest to largest starting withteh first category.

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Color       / # of Sub Groups / # of Terts / Direct connections / Wall / Bonus
Purple      / 3 / 15 / 2 / 9  / +21
Blue        / 3 / 15 / 3 / 14 / +24
Dark Green  / 3 / 16 / 2 / 9  / +22
Light Green / 4 / 19 / 3 / 18 / +27
Magenta     / 4 / 22 / 5 / 20 / +36
Brown       / 4 / 22 / 6 / 12 / +39
Orange      / 4 / 22 / 6 / 19 / +39
Cyan        / 4 / 22 / 6 / 25 / +40
Cream       / 4 / 23 / 6 / 17 / +40
Red         / 5 / 26 / 6 / 22 / +41
Yellow      / 5 / 27 / 3 / 15 / +42
Dark Gray   / 6 / 30 / 5 / 16 / +44

This way is easier to see and compare. What are your suggestions? I think that Dark Green could go to 25 and Blue to 22 or 23. Brown goes to 35 or 36. Cream to 39 so it is same as Orange.

Is there a segment line missing in orange? You have a 13 territory sub-region. White has a 12.

Fixed. I just missed them on the large map.

The similarities between the "I" and the "J" still bother me.

DONE

I'm pleased with the bonus rather than the victory condition - placing 454 armies is pretty much a victory anyway.

I like the bonus armies instead of the win. People like TONS of armies and the 454 is significant as well.

alright... I hope I gave you some things to chew on widow.

You sure did. And I responded almost 4 months later.

[InkL0sed]

It'd be cool if there was an XML feature that made connecting two territories a continent. So you could just make it behoove a player to hold the shortest route, but actually be able to hold any route.

I guess it would work like this:

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<connect>
   454
  <end>Start</end>
  <end>Finish</end>
</connect>


Or something of that nature.

[WidowMakers]

It'd be cool if there was an XML feature that made connecting two territories a continent. So you could just make it behoove a player to hold the shortest route, but actually be able to hold any route.

I guess it would work like this:

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<connect>
   454
  <end>Start</end>
  <end>Finish</end>
</connect>


Or something of that nature.

That is an interesting idea but I don't want to wait around for another XML feature I need. Plus I don't see that really working for many other maps and I don't think Lack will code that up just for me.

Good idea though.

WM

[yeti_c]

It'd be cool if there was an XML feature that made connecting two territories a continent. So you could just make it behoove a player to hold the shortest route, but actually be able to hold any route.

I guess it would work like this:

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<connect>
   454
  <end>Start</end>
  <end>Finish</end>
</connect>


Or something of that nature.

That is an interesting idea but I don't want to wait around for another XML feature I need. Plus I don't see that really working for many other maps and I don't think Lack will code that up just for me.

Good idea though.

WM

This feature would be cool in an Age Of Merchant Redux...

Initially the idea was to connect up resources to markets/ports etc... however - due to the myriad of connections - it would've been impossible to code - so just had to be holding the certain resources...

Also - could work for AOR 1 & 2 REDUXes as well...

C.

[gimil]

It'd be cool if there was an XML feature that made connecting two territories a continent. So you could just make it behoove a player to hold the shortest route, but actually be able to hold any route.

I guess it would work like this:

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<connect>
   454
  <end>Start</end>
  <end>Finish</end>
</connect>


Or something of that nature.

That is an interesting idea but I don't want to wait around for another XML feature I need. Plus I don't see that really working for many other maps and I don't think Lack will code that up just for me.

Good idea though.

WM

This feature would be cool in an Age Of Merchant Redux...

Initially the idea was to connect up resources to markets/ports etc... however - due to the myriad of connections - it would've been impossible to code - so just had to be holding the certain resources...

Also - could work for AOR 1 & 2 REDUXes as well...

C.

To continue slightly off topic, wouldn't that be brutal to code?

[max is gr8]

No, it would require about as much coding as it does now.

Now it is:

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<continent>????</continent>
   <component>Core Resource</component>
   <component>Processor</component>
   <component>City</component>
   <bonus>?</bonus>

AFTER:

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<connect>
   <bonus>?</bonus>
   <end1>Core</end1>
   <end2>Process</end2>
   <end3>City</end3><connect>

DADA!

[yeti_c]

To continue slightly off topic, wouldn't that be brutal to code?

No - there is similar code in the game engine already - think Chained/Unlimited Forts.

It would be brutal/impossible to code using the current XML - hence why we didn't use it for AOM... but if Lack wrote it into the Game Engine - then it would be simple.

C.

[Joodoo]

this map is the bomb






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modedit

I'll lock this thread until the XML becomes available.

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[MrBenn]

I'm moving this thread to the recycling bin until there is an XML update. I'll leave it stickied and locked to remind us that it is still here...

[captainwalrus]

THis would be a really great xml update. I have a few ideas that would use it well.

[WidowMakers]

OK. Does anyone want to see this map?

Current Issue:

-There is no XML update so the resetting killer neutrals to a higher value will not happen.

So we either need to wait for new XML or redo the GP to just regular killer neutrals for the wall terts.

Plus any other concerns, suggestions, issues you have.

Thanks
WM

[cairnswk]

Why don't you put up a poll?

[WidowMakers]

Why don't you put up a poll?

good point......

...Done!

[n00blet]

I want to see it...I voted 3, but with this caveat:

Change it back to the original way you wanted the neutrals to work once the XML update is passed through.

[Incandenza]

Personally I think you should wait for an update, the gameplay for this map is much cooler with the variable killer neutrals.

[MrBenn]

I want to see it...I voted 3, but with this caveat:

Change it back to the original way you wanted the neutrals to work once the XML update is passed through.

Changing the gameplay of a map once it's live doesn't appear to be a particularly well-received idea - sic Pearl Harbor

[max is gr8]

What about if it keeps the BETA tag until the change can be made. In that case when the change had been made it'd be awesome.

[Victor Sullivan]

This map looks amazing... Couldn't the walls just start out 30 neutral? Not like it matters at this point...

-Sully...

[iTank-xx]

:cry: This map looks amazing... Couldn't the walls just start out 30 neutral? Not like it matters at this point...

-Sully...

Totally this.

I don't see why the walls starting out with a high neutral would affect the gameplay too much differently than what is intended, and definitely not enough to be the reason behind this awesome map being delayed.

If it plays as good as it looks this would probably become my favourite CC map.

[benga]

For some time I have in my mind idea for Maze tournament
and this one would be the jewel in my crown.

GJ!