Conquer Club

Accused:

porkenbeans

The accused are suspected of:

Other: Trolling and flaming in the Foundry


Game number(s):

N/A

Comments: Because porkenbeans does not agree with the development of this map:http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=241&t=95664&start=165 he has resorted to flaming and trolling. He is attacking the mapmaker, isaiah40, and other members that show support for this map and is being a nuisance in general.

This is the post that started it. Went down hill from there.

porkenbeans wrote:FU Isaiah. your "birther", nut -job, politics are transparent, and I wished that all of you wacko doodles would stop breeding.
If this Tea bag crap is allowed to stand, I will push for equal time by making a map that depicts you crazies for what you are.
For those that do not understand my indignation, The regions that swept the last elections are depicted as Commies or Muslims. Get over it. Your side lost. It is exactly these views that you maintain, that are the reason for your defeat. You ARE the past, and you WILL be buried in the past, ...eventually.

Wonder what he meant by FU.

The map itself is kind of bait for this sort of response. Can't say that I think what he said was appropriate, but he's offered excellent suggestions in threads for other maps from what I've seen.

It may well be a valid map, but it's clearly trying to make a point that's dear to certain political factions at the moment. He does have some points, even though his anger is kind of disproportionate. The map does really go for a whole load of political points- California is now Muslim, Democrats are now Socialists, Florida is now Cuba, etc. You'd get a similar response if you posted something now where the central states were all KKK, trailer trash, or Nazis.

That said, he's pissed off a few people in the foundry before. A quick look says that the reactions were far out of synch with anything he said previously.

Seems like he just needs to calm down, and that others need to stop accusing him of trolling whenever he posts:

Goblin Tribes Forge

porkenbeans wrote:WTF ?
I can't understand your English very well. In any case, good luck with your map.
But I do have to disagree with your assertion about my "polish". You should be so lucky to receive any pork polish. lofl.

Pure bait. He knew damn well what Dan was saying.

Porker demands that every map conform to what he wants, or he baits and flames. In Feudal Epic, even after the mapmaker has said 3 times now that he wants the graphics to stay exactly as they are, he continues to troll the thread, demanding his way, and flaming everyone that says otherwise.

sorry, i agree with him. if you look at the map, you demonize the areas that carried obama into the presidency. it is tacky, tasteless and should not be allowed. i can not believe someone in the foundry, i.e.-andy, has not stepped in and halted this bigoted map! i made an early suggestion in the thread, before it was apparent what the map maker intended and before any image was presented. thank you for attempting to throw Pork under the bus, you have just shed light on the lunacy currently going on with your thread within the foundry. this map should be stopped.

porkenbeans wrote:

isaiah40 wrote:

porkenbeans wrote:FU Isaiah. your "birther", nut -job, politics are transparent, and I wished that all of you wacko doodles would stop breeding.
If this Tea bag crap is allowed to stand, I will push for equal time by making a map that depicts you crazies for what you are.
For those that do not understand my indignation, The regions that swept the last elections are depicted as Commies or Muslims. Get over it. Your side lost. It is exactly these views that you maintain, that are the reason for your defeat. You ARE the past, and you WILL be buried in the past, ...eventually.

Congratualtions! you just exercised your 1st amendment right to free speech! I appreciate that If you want to create a map of right wing extremists, go ahead as it is a great idea, I'll even help you with it if you want. I mean it, it sounds like it would be a fun map! If you didn't notice I have both sides of the fence on this map, socialists, Muslims, christians, mormons, militia, heck I even got the Italian mob on here! Although you probably didn't see that did you?


AS I said if you want some help in making an right wing extremist map I'll honestly help you!

You are making that map now. Yes I saw the mob. Like I said before, every area that voted Obama you have seen fit to demonize. Why did you not show the republicans as war monger Nazis ? The bible belt as the Klan ?
Look brother, If you want to make a political map, that is cool, but use the parties real names, and or affiliations. Demonizing your political opponents and referring to them as Commies, socialists and Muslims, is an attitude that is getting way out of hand as of late. This is bringing out our lesser angels. The whack-jobs think that it is now OK to act out in public this way. It IS inciting the less intelligent among us to insurrection. This is NOT putting a smile on our lord Jesus's face. This is a very serious thing. Will you not be happy until Those two little girls in the White House are covered in their daddy's brains ? You should be ashamed of yourself, to have the Gaul to wrap yourself in the blanket of our savior.

thank you porky for standing up for what is right!-0

Whether or not he's correct, does not give him permission to break rules and flames.

Kotaro wrote:Whether or not he's correct, does not give him permission to break rules and flames.

regardless... is that map going to be allowed or is it going to be construed as bigoted? odd how all the liberal areas of america are either muslim or communist... this map is garbage, period. glad porky was in there trying to bring attention to it. and thanks to the OP of this thread, that is clueless as to how tacky, tasteless, over the line, and bigoted this map is...-0

p.s.-slap porky on the wrist, the bigger issue is this ridiculous map.

owenshooter wrote:p.s.-slap porky on the wrist, the bigger issue is this ridiculous map.

Subjective, but you're entitled to your opinion. The thing is, it's a different issue, one that should/would be handled out of this thread. Like Kotaro said, regardless of the map, he's not allowed to bait, flame, and troll the topic.

Kotaro wrote:

porkenbeans wrote:WTF ?
I can't understand your English very well. In any case, good luck with your map.
But I do have to disagree with your assertion about my "polish". You should be so lucky to receive any pork polish. lofl.

Pure bait. He knew damn well what Dan was saying.

Porker demands that every map conform to what he wants, or he baits and flames. In Feudal Epic, even after the mapmaker has said 3 times now that he wants the graphics to stay exactly as they are, he continues to troll the thread, demanding his way, and flaming everyone that says otherwise.

I'm not sure why you removed all of the context Kotaro, but I'll add it. Porkenbeans posted a comment suggesting that the map could be lighter, along with some examples that he'd gone out of the way to make himself, this is the response that Danyael (the mapmaker) supplied:

Danyael wrote:Pork don't waste your time you have been foed
the last update is right above you and yet you suggest a change to the previous version
(fail)
I Don't need your polish it seems to wreck more maps then most

Porkenbeans' response looks pretty friendly and jokey in comparison.

the.killing.44 wrote:

owenshooter wrote:p.s.-slap porky on the wrist, the bigger issue is this ridiculous map.

Subjective, but you're entitled to your opinion. The thing is, it's a different issue, one that should/would be handled out of this thread. Like Kotaro said, regardless of the map, he's not allowed to bait, flame, and troll the topic.

the map being ridiculous and bigoted is subjective? it is ok to paint liberal areas of america that carried obama into office as COMMUNIST, MUSLIM and SOCIALIST, while the heartland is adorned with the american flag and painted in a loving light? you are kidding right? this map is bigoted and i applaud porky for his efforts and getting it dealt with. the entire map is one huge flame and bait! it is playing on hatred, political division, inaccuracies and fears that are unfounded. hell, he even threw the italians (oops, i mean MOB) into the mix! this is so bigoted and racist it is unbelievable. there is nothing subjective about it, the map is offensive and crosses a line that is very dangerous. i don't think another thread is necessary. the foundry should be embarassed that this map has progressed this far...-0

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Err, I meant if it was a bigger issue, not a non-issue…

the.killing.44 wrote:Err, I meant if it was a bigger issue, not a non-issue…

That's fair enough, I just wanted to point out that the man is as much flamed against as flamed. It looks like there're a number of issues here.

I'll just say that the guy doesn't need to be punished for being over-passionate about map making. He's certainly no troll. If anything, he comes off as over-sincere and over-enthusiastic. I've not found a post by him that didn't show a sincere desire to improve the map discussed.

Still, I think he should have restrained that passion when someone suggested a map like that. Mind if I make a turtle soup topic about it? Might be a better place for the kind of debate it asks for without dumping stuff in the foundry.

Obama supporters are communists. That's the fact Jack. But this map sucks. It steals clever ideas form the apocalypse map and has impossible to read graphics.

Symmetry wrote:[

I'm not sure why you removed all of the context Kotaro, but I'll add it. Porkenbeans posted a comment suggesting that the map could be lighter, along with some examples that he'd gone out of the way to make himself, this is the response that Danyael (the mapmaker) supplied:

Danyael wrote:Pork don't waste your time you have been foed
the last update is right above you and yet you suggest a change to the previous version
(fail)
I Don't need your polish it seems to wreck more maps then most

Porkenbeans' response looks pretty friendly and jokey in comparison.

Not in the least.

"Pork don't waste your time you have been foed"

Letting him know he's ignoring him.

"The last update is right above you and yet you suggest a change to the previous version (fail)"

Letting him know that he failed - he took an old version and edited it, instead of the current version.

"I don't need your polish it seems to wreck more maps then most"

Giving his opinion that parka's crap "i want everything to look as bright as humanly possible" is stupid to him and he will not incorporate it in his map.

Owen.
The prop you are using is NOT even the current map. You are using that OLD version because it better supports your imagined bigotry complaint.

Are wanting to kill the entire map? Or just get some names changed to be more PC?

It sure looks like a good - playable quality map. Forgive someone for using there imagination in picking names for a GAME.

The argument that is used is that it demonizes those states that voted for Obama is a bunch of B.S.

IOWA the republican capitol voted for OBAMA.

If Isaiah had intended to be anti-democrat he surely would not have made IOWA the capitol of the republican bonus.

Pork & Beans flamed & trolled and just wouldn't stop. Even said FU to Isaiah. He was OUT OF LINE.

A "Forum Troll" is a person who posts outrageous message to provoke people to respond. The Forum Troll delights in sowing discord within a forum. A troll is someone who inspires flaming rhetoric, someone who is deliberately controvertial, baiting and pulling people into a "flaming" discussion. Flaming discussions usually end with name calling, a flame war and at best a locked thread or in extreme cases a deleted thread.
My opinion Of porkenbeans is hes a Troll because over the past few months his post in the foundry have fit this description.

When a map maker does not think one of his suggestions, opinons are something they would like incorporated into there map because its not the look they are going for or for what ever reason
He has resorted to whining, flaming, off topic posting, and baiting the map maker and people that side with the map maker (has even done this to certain Foundry assistants)

As his comments and suggestions may have been helpful in some maps in the past and present but usually do little to help progress the map though the foundry and alot of the time cloud actual game play and clarity issues

Before he posted in my topic I already had him foed as I was beginning to take blatant flame baits causing me to be on the verge of flaming and baiting myself
So I decided that its better to just simply ignore him. Which I belive is better then lowering myself any further and end up being a troll myself and ending up going down a path I did not want to take because living under a bridge isn't fun

Since he did post in my topic I thought I should give me a second chance and display the post.
Unfortunately his suggestion totally was uncalled for as i clearly posted in my reply
as further down in the discussion i agree some things need to be a little brighter for clarity and game-play reasons shows I'm very open to any suggestions and improvements for valid reasons not just because its what someone taste or opinion thinks it should be

I did not want my topic to end up becoming a flame fest or off topic so I blatantly told him off sure I was not kind but i saw no reason to pussy foot around this as I'm not that kind of person

Porkenbeans as clearly broke the rules in the fractured America topic and should be punished accordingly. The map may have certain issues but to resort to name calling belittling a person and attacking them based on there religious beliefs. This crosses a big line and should no way be tolerated

everyone has a right to there opinion but by no way should resort too this behavior while expressing it.

i can't read it, you're so high up dude. your post to him has also been quoted in this thread remember.

Just so it's clear, here is the CURRENT version of the map. Yours, owen, is the very first draft. Long gone.

jsholty4690 wrote:There's a couple problems with your theory. One, Iowa went to Obama and it is in the Republican Party continent. I'm pretty sure the Dakotas went to McCain and Minnesota went to Obama, but they both are on the same continent. Colorado went to Obama and it is in a continent that is completely Republican. Okay, one problem I do have is the Islamic states, where did that come from? I may be wrong, but I think the largest Muslim population in America is somewhere in Michigan.

Honestly, I don't see a problem with this map. I've thought many times that if the U.S. broke apart, where would the new political boundaries would be drawn. And for the most part, besides the invasions from Canada, Mexico, and Cuba, I've agreed with the map creator.

This is from an a topic in the foundry discussion:http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=127&t=97029

owenshooter wrote:sorry, i agree with him. if you look at the map, you demonize the areas that carried obama into the presidency. it is tacky, tasteless and should not be allowed. i can not believe someone in the foundry, i.e.-andy, has not stepped in and halted this bigoted map! i made an early suggestion in the thread, before it was apparent what the map maker intended and before any image was presented. thank you for attempting to throw Pork under the bus, you have just shed light on the lunacy currently going on with your thread within the foundry. this map should be stopped.

porkenbeans wrote:FU Isaiah. your "birther", nut -job, politics are transparent, and I wished that all of you wacko doodles would stop breeding.
If this Tea bag crap is allowed to stand, I will push for equal time by making a map that depicts you crazies for what you are.
For those that do not understand my indignation, The regions that swept the last elections are depicted as Commies or Muslims. Get over it. Your side lost. It is exactly these views that you maintain, that are the reason for your defeat. You ARE the past, and you WILL be buried in the past, ...eventually.

I have no opinion on the map or it's content and politically I will keep my opinion to myself but will address Porky's comments unlike Owen's constant reminder of users to stay on topic, and not quite sure of how his content is related to C&A but that's owens double standard. Any opportunity to squeeze in his lopsided views. There should be immediate action to what porky said... terrorism is serious business and should not be flung around needlessly or carelessly. If anyone said 1/100 of that kind of statement to the all black powerful owen, he would've had sent 100 pms and started a 1000 threads citing racism-- racist.... bigotry.. or whatever.

I wouldn't expect anything less from him tho' ... the little boy that cried wolf. Guy screams racism at the top of his lungs at every available opportunity and in the same breath accept Porky's racism and bigotry with open arms. Look in the mirror Owen- you may see a bigot staring right back at you.

snigger snigger, nudge nudge.

clench dat fist boi, rayz it to de sky. can i have an aaaaamen?

It's Dan's map - he can do whatever he wants with it. Don't like it, go make your own. Trolling isn't the answer.

Kotaro wrote:It's Dan's map - he can do whatever he wants with it. Don't like it, go make your own. Trolling isn't the answer.

Are you sure you're in the right forum ?

I am indeed.

People keep quoting Dan's map as an excuse for what parka does, which was blatant trolling and flaming. It is not an excuse - he didn't like it, so he trolled. When he was informed he was foe'd, he flamed. If he didn't like the map, or if Owen doesn't like the map, they should go make their own and learn not to flame.

Gee, I think I opened a can of roaches In all seriousness now this map is a "what if" in the future US. It in no ways reflects my personal political/religious views. As I suggested, and it was brought up either here or in the other thread, I was willing to change the name of Islamic States to Sierra Club (or something similar since I can't use their name). I am also willing to change the other three names to something similar. All that had to happen was a suggestion to be made. No one had to start calling each other names (besides I consider that a little childish) and/or swearing as porkenbeans did to me. No one knows what will happen to the political parties or religious groups in 50 years. Funny thing is, they say I am prejudice and intolerant, just look at what they posted, enough said!

So since I said I was willing to change names, and porkenbeans continued trolling, some where in agreement with me to change names, I'll do it. No problems.

P.S. The map that owens keeps posting was one of my earlier versions and NOT the current version. I have a new version but Mr.Benn locked it before I could get it posted. That version has name changes on it, and no one will argue with those name, then again maybe pork with have a problem with barbarians!