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richsz3 and ohso_cute's case[Cleared/Closed]
Postby BigBallinStalin on Tue Sep 29, 2009 6:37 am
Accused:
richsz3
ohso_cute
The accused are suspected of:
Engaging in Secret Diplomacy, and Essentially Being a Multi
Game number(s):
Many. Please read on.
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My dear CC members, and your most highly esteemed CC-Honourable #1, allow me to first bring to your immediate attention that this is a different case. It provides an overwhelming amount of evidence on the two defendants' engagement in secret diplomacy which was unfortunately insufficiently addressed and poorly scrutinized in the previous case; this also addresses the issue of CC-Mods inadvertently legitimizing richsz3 and ohso_cute's illicit method of gameplay, and also charges the accused with essentially acting as a multi account. However, I'd like to sincerely thank Beckytheblondie for initiating this case.
As seen in the closed thread "richsz3, ohso_cute secret diplomacy [noted]"
viewtopic.php?f=239&t=96734, one can easily fail to understand the extremely lenient punishment given to the accused. Also, since their illegal method of gameplay is merely punishable by "noted," they will most likely continue to engage in secret diplomacy and continue being a border-line multi. Furthermore, this will encourage others to do the exact same thing since the consequences are highly laughable and easily shrugged off. Do we want this to happen to our beloved CC community? Hell no!
Do we want such culprits as these to get away with such egregious crimes? No, sir, we don't!
Allow me to bring to your attention their infringment of our sacred Rule #1 and #2 as well as the potential consequences of the previous case.
Game 2587467
3-player,
2008-06-05 03:38:49 - fumandomuerte: hi, GL people
2008-06-05 04:01:25 - fumandomuerte: why you didn't break green's bonus? are you like a team or something?
2008-06-05 04:06:19 - ohso_cute: hi
2008-06-05 04:06:58 - richsz3: sorry, didnt see it till now
Rule #1: "Any form of diplomatic discussion between opponents must be posted in the game chat in English or in a language that all opponents understand."
Read the log, see how they target fumandomuerte. They're cheating. It's well co-ordinated and there's no planned strategy on the game chat: secret diplomacy. And it doesn't matter if they live together. If they want to play games together, then they should play on a team.
Also:
2009-09-15 14:11:02 - richsz3 received 6 troops for 20 regions
2009-09-15 14:11:03 - ohso_cute received 6 troops for 20 regions
2009-09-15 14:11:14 - ohso_cute deployed 6 troops on Fenwick Hills
2009-09-15 14:11:16 - ohso_cute assaulted Head Quarters Plantation from Fenwick Hills and conquered it from Beckytheblondie
2009-09-15 14:11:22 - ohso_cute assaulted Miller Hill from Fenwick Hills and conquered it from Beckytheblondie
2009-09-15 14:11:43 - ohso_cute assaulted Angel Oak from Miller Hill and conquered it from Beckytheblondie
2009-09-15 14:14:23 - ohso_cute reinforced Citadel Mall with 2 troops from East Ashley
2009-09-15 14:14:23 - ohso_cute ended the turn and got spoils
2009-09-15 14:14:32 - richsz3 deployed 2 troops on East Bay Street
2009-09-15 14:15:06 - richsz3 deployed 4 troops on M.U.S.C.
2009-09-15 14:15:08 - richsz3 assaulted Gibbes from M.U.S.C. and conquered it from Beckytheblondie
2009-09-15 14:15:25 - richsz3 reinforced Gibbes with 2 troops from Drum Island
2009-09-15 14:15:25 - richsz3 ended the turn and got spoils
Please notice the slight difference in times between their two turns, he/she even starts one, then goes to the next, then resumes the other. A tall-tale sign of a multi. But please, this gets addressed again later.
According to king achilles's decision, their actions are justified since they are either family members or perhaps a good friends. Allow me to paraphrase his additional justifications: 'they've already played a considerable number of games, and this is the first time they've been reported.' Now considering all this, anybody can easily jump to the conclusion that one can now start doubleteaming in standard games while engaging in secret diplomacy with a good friend/family member as long as one has already played many games with their family member or friend beforehand. Now, now, don't go launching a multitude of tabs to alert your buddies about this newfound path to bountiful amounts of points. There is a serious punishment to be had!
...You could get the all mighty "noted" slapped on you!!! (
viewtopic.php?f=239&t=96734#p2214560 ).
"I may be needing more than this game to warrant a possible block for them." Well, if you want it king achilles, YOU GOT IT! Please read on:
Game 3213800 4player standard, hardly attacked one another. ohso_cute seems to have helped richsz3 in defending Scandanavia. It goes on and on, they purposely stay away from one another. ohso_cute could've broken richsz3's bonus/es at one point or another, conveniently forgot, and HEY what'dya know! One of them won! Amazing teamwork!
Game 3258506 4 player standard world, Notice how they go after one another so quickly. How thin is the line between family friends and multis? Sure richsz3 and his ladyfriend/wife/whatever have made separate accounts, but what's really stopping him or his sweetheart from playing both accounts right after another? Seems like we've just stepped in the #2 Rule here. And what's that tell us, Johnny? Johnny says, "Right you are, BigBallinStalin; they've just stepped into a tremendous pile of feces by obviously displaying the common behavior of... That's right! You guessed it! A MULTI!!" [Applause]
-Heyy, that's great, Johnny; and now back to the evidence:
Let us not forget that they hardly ever attack each other--another coincidence!? My God, that coincidence seems to happen a lot! And allow me to bring to your attention their apparent lack of any game chat toward one another in planning any of these manuevers (secret diplomacy, DING DING DING! "Secret diplomacy is... the right answer!" says Johnny. [Applause]
Game 3256493 4 player standard world, mainly avoided each other and only killed each other when it was convenient (for example, taking a bonus). Other than that, they seemingy ignored each other the whole game and only attacked the others, and ohso_cute pulls a STUNNING victory! Another big score for the love duo! Somebody quickly compose a song to commemorate such an occasion!!!
(Thanks, guys!)
And I'm sure that in their standard games together (see below), although they may have attacked each other, I'm sure there were chances where they could've killed or severely crippled each other. Yet, they didn't since they secretly agreed to eliminate whoever they were double-teaming at the time. They could have even placed armies next to each other in order to defend one another's bonus from any counterattack. All of this is especially easy to do when one acts as a multi for the other and/or engages in secret diplomacy for the other.
Game 2587485 Game 3214434 Their standard Treasures Of Galapagos is a rare case of them being unable to double-team (yet most likely still engage in secret diplomacy. How easily is it for them to use both of their screens on a fog of war map and find out where their opponents are? Extremely easy. Once again, the acrid stench of Multi fills my nostrils--perhaps multi is too strong a word, yet there's hardly a difference between this case and the common multi). But they don't seem too successful at this map; probably too many neutrals and it's difficult to doubleteam the others--aww, too bad, huh? And there's plenty more.
I'd say very few standard games which they both joined were played fairly, and that's being generous because their temptation to engage in secret diplomacy and engage in border-line multi behavior only seems too great. Game 3258063 Seems fair enough, but once again, easily could've prevented the others from breaking one another's bonus by "accidentely" protecting each other by conveniently placing armies in a certain spot, or by playing conveniently for the other "multi" account.
More highly probable instances of breaking Rule #1 and/or Rule #2 can be seen in the following games: Game 3264914 Game 3259321 Game 3264914 Game 3271211 Game 3638845 Game 3644419 Game 3644420[Game]
3790870[/Game] Game 3793995 Game 3794022 Game 3794287 Game 3889616 Game 3889925 Game 3889931 Game 3889933 Game 3901169 Game 3915451 Game 3915453 and most likely another 30+ games, possibly 50+, given that they display similar patterns of behavior and actions in most of their standard 3+ games. Therefore, all of these games are riddled with secret diplomacy and/or multi account use--regardless of whether or not they may have happened to play fairly and/or win in any of these games.
Rule #1 and Rule #2 broken, yet the punishment is... "noted." Obviously, the punishment is extremely and unnecessarily lenient. As seen with the history of most multi's and secret diplomats, the punishment should be perma-ban, temp-ban, or a stern warning if they've generously donated some certain amount of funds--OH, I mean, if they are already paying customers...
A more reasonable punishment would be blocking the two from joining standard games with one another and also strongly urging them to play in team games since they're so set on wanting to play with one another (a.k.a. Warning). Of course, they should be allowed to 1v1 each other because that's just so damn cute of them.
(lol, just kidding, it's adorable). But if that can't be done, then SORRY, you shouldn't have cheated anyway. That's karma at work!
If the punishment will not be changed or if the punishment is still lacking, then the CC mods have obviously lowered the standard on multi-abuse and secret diplomacy; thereby, legitamizing the illicit method of richsz3 and ohso_cute and similar infringements upon the law. Furthermore, a lenient punishment merely garners strength for this burdensome, unrighteous double standard that has been placed upon our dear CC community for so long. How many of us have suffered from poor quality judgements? Too many! How many criminals have been allowed to escape CC's Long Arm of the Law? Too many! How many of us have been punished unjustly due to this ridiculous double standard of justice? Too many! Have any of us been tried and punished unjustly and with extreme prejudice? Too many of us have! And this has gone on far enough! This must end here. These overwhelming obvious crimes must not go unpunished and should never be handled lightly. For every decision made by a CC-judge, there are many consequences; and the negative consequences of the previous case must be corrected. My fellow CC members deserve justice, they deserve fair games free of such malignant culprits like richsz3 and ohso_cute, they deserve the security and comfort in knowing that they're paying for a righteous gaming server which does uphold its two main rules and will properly mete out justice.
And, well, if you're not paying, then surely by joining our games and occasionally commenting on this forum, you do everyone at the CC community a huge favor. Let us not forget our financially strained brothers!
The numerous CC-members who have been wronged by richsz3 and ohso_cute deserve justice! And all CC-members who have ever been wronged deserve justice! (But, we'll begin with this case first, shall we?
)
I patiently await your decision,
-BigBallinStalin
I am getting so sick and tired of defending myself. BigBallinStalin.......you went through and posted 25 games......I have played far more then that! You want to make your case, go through every single one of them! I went through and noted 75 games where 34 of them had nothing to do with my Husband (richsz3) So that leaves us with 41 games where we have played with up to 5 other players and we lost. So that must make us the worst cheaters/multis/secret diplomacy players EVER!! Check ALL dates, times, log ins, ip's. I go months without playing a single game, When I fist started I wasn't a paying member, and when I became a paying member and that membership ran out I did not renew it right away, however my husband did!!!....so please tell me what that means? Is that some sort of strategy thing? My husband has been playing and Paying for this site for a year or more before I ever met him. He also plays way more then I do obviously with OTHER people! Is that also some sort of strategy thing? Are we trying to throw everyone off from our sneaky devious ways? Take a look way, way back to when I joined cc. All my games are played with my husband(richsz3). Was it meant to be "cute", sighhh "young love". NO, its called, I was learning and didn't feel comfortable playing with other people! As you may have noticed, people are not always nice in this game and have no problems telling you that you are the worst player ever!!! So you are either and shitty player, or your a cheater. Interesting! So tell me, what is the point of cheating? Why play if you are only going to cheat? What is the satisfaction in that? Why risk the chance of getting kicked off a game that you enjoy, that you take pride in when you win, that with TWO memberships for TWO separate people that cost 50 bucks a year would you risk it? I take pride in the points that I have and the rank I have achieved. I have finally started to feel comfortable with trying other styles of play like terminator, assassin, etc. I'm a competitive player no matter who is playing! I have my own style of play and that's how I play! The point is to win, get points, and move up in Rank! And I play how I feel will accomplish that in every single game. If its you, my husband.....I don't care! I'm here to win! IF you don't like it......tough shit! So Now BigBallinStalin I suggest you find more productive ways to spend your time! This is a game, and people like you are taking the fun out of it for me! For 25 bucks a year I should be able to play in peace and not be continually harassed based on a few games!
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 2:40 pm
