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Tezu - possible farmer [noted]
Posted:
Thu Jul 16, 2009 7:50 pmby Incandenza
Accused:
TezuThe accused are suspected of:
Newbie Farming
Game number(s):
Game 5261791Game 5252180Game 5252178Game 5252176and many many more.
Comments:
Nearly half of the games on Tezu's first page are 4-5p freestyle Feudal singles with 3 or 4 ?'s each. Just scrolling down the page shows a startling number of New Recruits clustered in these games, to say nothing of the fact that freestyle Feudal games are extraordinarily ?-unfrienldly (personally I'm astonished that Feudal isn't on the newbie restricted list).
Re: Tezu - possible farmer
Posted:
Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:45 pmby king achilles
This is noted.
As someone who is no longer a new player, we would like to remind the rule for Newbie Farming.
"Newbie Farming" is the technique of setting up as many games as possible (either by starting or joining them) with New Recruits to gain easy points by taking advantage of difficult game options and the fact the New Recruits are more likely to deadbeat.
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=73745We suggest that you diversify your games and move away from games which might be interpreted as farming. If you know or learn that what you have been creating attracts new recruits all the time, and yet you continue to do this same pattern, then you can be seen as newbie farming because of what you know. I suggest that you change your pattern or style of games that you create from time to time so that there would be more mixture of players that you can have a game with. With this rule for Newbie Farming, we all have to adjust to it.
This doesn't mean you can't play against new recruits, but if you continue to have suspiciously above average attendance with new recruits in the same games you created consistently, we can consider this behavior as newbie farming.
Re: Tezu - possible farmer [noted]
Posted:
Fri Jul 17, 2009 12:00 amby Tezu
Thats right, those newbies are a pest, they keep joining and deadbeating, it's a great idea to restrict them from joining Feudal games, but please, tell me how can I avoid them? There is no way to foe them because they aren't in the site yet, so, is there anyway I can keep them from joining my games?
Thanx
Re: Tezu - possible farmer [noted]
Posted:
Fri Jul 17, 2009 12:48 pmby Hoagy
Incandenza wrote:Accused:
TezuThe accused are suspected of:
Newbie Farming
Game number(s):
Game 5261791Game 5252180Game 5252178Game 5252176and many many more.
Comments:
Nearly half of the games on Tezu's first page are 4-5p freestyle Feudal singles with 3 or 4 ?'s each. Just scrolling down the page shows a startling number of New Recruits clustered in these games, to say nothing of the fact that freestyle Feudal games are extraordinarily ?-unfrienldly (personally I'm astonished that Feudal isn't on the newbie restricted list).
There is a SERIOUS flaw in your logic, Mr Reynolds.
Looking at the games you have listed (I haven't looked through Tezu's other games), they were ALL set up by Tezu, with new recruits JOINING the games.
Note the sequence of events:
1: Tezu sets up some Feudal War games. At this point, she is the only player in the games and waiting for players to join.
2: A load of new recruits then join the games. To my mind Tezu has no control over who joins the games (other than hitting 'Quit Game' before they are filled).
I suggest you either explain how this could possibly be newbie farming (by presenting better evidence), or withdraw your accusation.
Re: Tezu - possible farmer [noted]
Posted:
Fri Jul 17, 2009 2:51 pmby Tezu
Hoagy wrote:Incandenza wrote:Accused:
TezuThe accused are suspected of:
Newbie Farming
Game number(s):
Game 5261791Game 5252180Game 5252178Game 5252176and many many more.
Comments:
Nearly half of the games on Tezu's first page are 4-5p freestyle Feudal singles with 3 or 4 ?'s each. Just scrolling down the page shows a startling number of New Recruits clustered in these games, to say nothing of the fact that freestyle Feudal games are extraordinarily ?-unfrienldly (personally I'm astonished that Feudal isn't on the newbie restricted list).
There is a SERIOUS flaw in your logic, Mr Reynolds.
Looking at the games you have listed (I haven't looked through Tezu's other games), they were ALL set up by Tezu, with new recruits JOINING the games.
Note the sequence of events:
1: Tezu sets up some Feudal War games. At this point, she is the only player in the games and waiting for players to join.
2: A load of new recruits then join the games. To my mind Tezu has no control over who joins the games (other than hitting 'Quit Game' before they are filled).
I suggest you either explain how this could possibly be newbie farming (by presenting better evidence), or withdraw your accusation.
That is exactly how it happens, and yet I'm being asked by the mods to drop games I set up if New Recruits join them!!!! Or to stop playing the map I like with the settings I like!!!!
So, now, if I wanna play FW with the settings I like, I have to drop games when new recruits join, wich makes it almost impossible to start new games, since I'm droping the ones that fill out!!!!
xoxo
Re: Tezu - possible farmer [noted]
Posted:
Fri Jul 17, 2009 3:15 pmby Kotaro
Wtf is this?
Don't play what you enjoy because newbies might join it? Feudal War is hardly a farming map at all, and is in fact one of the most popular damn maps. If you admins don't want newbies playing it, block them from finding it, but it's our damn map. I for one will not stand for this crap.
Re: Tezu - possible farmer [noted]
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Fri Jul 17, 2009 3:16 pmby jefjef
As suggested a few times before perhaps ? - cooks & cadets should be restricted from joining/playing games that officers are in.... Hello C C mods... This will pretty well end noob farming. Is it not also unfair to ask players to drop games that noobs willingly join that the players set up looking for someone to play....... GET REAL
Re: Tezu - possible farmer [noted]
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Sat Jul 18, 2009 3:01 amby DJPatrick
have prev posted regarding Owenator on this...pps hit back suggestting I claimed owen was either a multi or a newb farmer...not true - he sets the games up and ?s join them for whatever reason...
I've entered quite a few of these as tho' it is frustratring waiting for the newbs to either dead-beat or screw-up. it always boils down to a one on one against a good player (owen, not me) on the Feud Map...
Yeah, maybe ban players without a certain number of games (not rank as there are some serious long-term cooks) from joining rather than the with-hunt on ppl like Tezu who justs wants to play a favourite map and so starts games...
Re: Tezu - possible farmer [noted]
Posted:
Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:09 amby Thezzaruz
king achilles wrote:We suggest that you diversify your games and move away from games which might be interpreted as farming.
Doesn't seem right to ask players to not play their favourite maps with their favourite settings when the noobs join due to CC blocking said noobs from many other maps...
Hoagy wrote:I suggest you either explain how this could possibly be newbie farming (by presenting better evidence), or withdraw your accusation.
You need to read KA's post (and the rules/announcements). The process you described could actually be classed as farming.
Re: Tezu - possible farmer [noted]
Posted:
Tue Jul 21, 2009 3:58 pmby Tezu
What makes me real angry is that I used to play over 120 games simultanously, and now I have less than 60! It's getting really hard to start new games, since I cannot longer join games with new recruits in it, and yet the administrators and the mods seem content with this ridiculous situation wich they are fomenting!!! The worst part is I have already paid for a full year, and therefore am gonna stay in this site for the rest of the year, but I'm not renewing, in fact, I'm gonna start searching for another site without witch-hunts!!!
Re: Tezu - possible farmer [noted]
Posted:
Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:18 pmby Hoagy
Thezzaruz wrote:king achilles wrote:Hoagy wrote:I suggest you either explain how this could possibly be newbie farming (by presenting better evidence), or withdraw your accusation.
You need to read KA's post (and the rules/announcements). The process you described could actually be classed as farming.
I had already read KA's post and dismissed it as utter tripe. Just because KA makes a rule or writes something down somewhere does NOT make it right.
Re: Tezu - possible farmer [noted]
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Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:42 pmby BoganGod
This is complete bs, noted as a possible farmer... What for starting feudal games. I don't start non private feudal games much now because so many noobs join, can't bombard, suicide, or just deadbeat. Saying or thinking Tezu is a farmer, is like thinking that - snow is white, polar bears are mainly white, therefor polar bears are made mostly from snow(actually this makes more sense than calling tezu a farmer)
Re: Tezu - possible farmer [noted]
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Fri Jul 24, 2009 8:38 pmby Lordhower
any player should be allowed to start whatever game they like with whatever settings they like, without fear of being called a farmer. or worse, being penalized for it.
Re: Tezu - possible farmer [noted]
Posted:
Sat Jul 25, 2009 1:08 amby Tezu
Thanx for all the support guys!!! When I first got accused, I was really upset, but reading all your posts has uplifted me!!! Even though all the support won't make the admins actually correct this situation, I really feel better. And I'm now more convinced than ever that FW should be banned for new players, but how do we convince the admins?
xoxoxoxoxo
Re: Tezu - possible farmer [noted]
Posted:
Sat Jul 25, 2009 8:36 amby Hoagy
Better still would be to have a Rank Limiter option when you set the games up.
They do something like this on some chess sites, where you can opt to play only against opponents above or below a certain grade, so why don't admin introduce it on this site?
Re: Tezu - possible farmer
Posted:
Sat Jul 25, 2009 9:04 amby obliterationX
king achilles wrote:This is noted.
As someone who is no longer a new player, we would like to remind the rule for Newbie Farming.
"Newbie Farming" is the technique of setting up as many games as possible (either by starting or joining them) with New Recruits to gain easy points by taking advantage of difficult game options and the fact the New Recruits are more likely to deadbeat.
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=73745We suggest that you diversify your games and move away from games which might be interpreted as farming.
What amazing leadership. Telling its paying members that they are
not allowed play their favourite maps and settings, even though they have stated that their intentions are to play for fun, and not to farm newbies. This is a pretty pathetic attempt by the admins to "put their foot down" on farming, when they are in fact to blame by implementing these restrictions. I hate to burst your bubble, but you've actually
made farming easier by restricting newbies to certain maps / settings.
Re: Tezu - possible farmer [noted]
Posted:
Sat Jul 25, 2009 9:15 amby AAFitz
Well, newbie farming was originally made illegal, because people were making tons of games like this, and not just playing all of them. They were dropping the ones that DID not fill up with newbies, Ie. making it farming.
If tezu was not doing this, than it probably wasnt farming. But, if all of the games get settup and fill up with noobs, it does become farming, especially if other games were dropped, when non newbies joined. The key is really the percentage, and if Tezu doesnt want to farm noobs, dropping a game or two isnt actually that bad....and if the occasional one slips through, hopefully that would be understandable.
This was noted obviously, just to make sure she wasnt actually farming, and to make sure it didnt happen in the future. These cases are especially hard, because its impossible to know if other games were set up, and dropped when non-newbies joined. Im assuming that wasnt the case here, but it is the reason why it was noted...
Its just a precaution against farming. Its unfortunate that the real farmers created this situation in the first place.
Re: Tezu - possible farmer [noted]
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Sat Jul 25, 2009 10:45 amby BoganGod
Admins are suffering from a bad case of been unable to listen to players, due mainly to their heads been caught up their rectal passages, thus rendering the ears completely unable to function, except to hear players that have crawled up there to whisper sweet nothings and complete bs about players that actually play the game. There have been numerous threads and suggestions on how to implement a fair system of rank restricted play. All of which have fallen on deaf ears.
Re: Tezu - possible farmer [noted]
Posted:
Tue Jul 28, 2009 12:41 amby Tezu
AAFitz wrote:
This was noted obviously, just to make sure she wasnt actually farming, and to make sure it didnt happen in the future. These cases are especially hard, because its impossible to know if other games were set up, and dropped when non-newbies joined. Im assuming that wasnt the case here, but it is the reason why it was noted...
I think it's pretty easy to know if someone hasn't dropped games when non "?" join, just look at their games and if there are a lot of games with non "?" players, it's not farming!!! Wich was my case by the way... I would never had gotten to know great players like BoganGod or Humrlmo if I dropped games with non "?"!!!! But still I'm persecuted like a criminal... ok, that was a little overdramatic, but you get my point...
xoxo
Re: Tezu - possible farmer [noted]
Posted:
Tue Jul 28, 2009 1:12 amby jefjef
Tezu wrote:AAFitz wrote:
This was noted obviously, just to make sure she wasnt actually farming, and to make sure it didnt happen in the future. These cases are especially hard, because its impossible to know if other games were set up, and dropped when non-newbies joined. Im assuming that wasnt the case here, but it is the reason why it was noted...
I think it's pretty easy to know if someone hasn't dropped games when non "?" join, just look at their games and if there are a lot of games with non "?" players, it's not farming!!! Wich was my case by the way... I would never had gotten to know great players like BoganGod or Humrlmo if I dropped games with non "?"!!!! But still I'm persecuted like a criminal... ok, that was a little overdramatic, but you get my point...
Great players like bogangod?????..... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHaHAHA
xoxo
Re: Tezu - possible farmer [noted]
Posted:
Tue Jul 28, 2009 4:25 pmby Tezu
jefjef wrote:Tezu wrote:AAFitz wrote:
This was noted obviously, just to make sure she wasnt actually farming, and to make sure it didnt happen in the future. These cases are especially hard, because its impossible to know if other games were set up, and dropped when non-newbies joined. Im assuming that wasnt the case here, but it is the reason why it was noted...
I think it's pretty easy to know if someone hasn't dropped games when non "?" join, just look at their games and if there are a lot of games with non "?" players, it's not farming!!! Wich was my case by the way... I would never had gotten to know great players like BoganGod or Humrlmo if I dropped games with non "?"!!!! But still I'm persecuted like a criminal... ok, that was a little overdramatic, but you get my point...
Great players like bogangod?????..... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHaHAHA
xoxo
Is it necesary to be rude?
Re: Tezu - possible farmer [noted]
Posted:
Tue Jul 28, 2009 4:35 pmby Kotaro
Jefjef always talks out his ass and trolls.
The precedent set down by the "no-farming" policy has nothing to do with this case. Yes, Tezu starts lots of Feudal War games; does that mean that she targets new players? Not at all. I make 50 Feudal War singles games every few days, and I net one or two ?'s. Does that mean I target them? f*ck no, it means I love this map.
This "noted" is bullshit.
Re: Tezu - possible farmer [noted]
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Wed Jul 29, 2009 5:50 amby macro
Hum... reading this topic really cleared made my doubts about purchasing the gold membership here in CC. So if a person has bought the membership, he or she has the right to all of it's options, am i right? Once you choose to deprive your players from using some of the options THEY BOUGHT, instead of changing the game (like for example, not allowing "?"s to join games in which the creator has over 1400 points, or so).
If i bought the membership, i would do exactly what Tezu and other players do. Start a lot of games in a row and wouldn't care if the slots were filled with "?". You know why wouldn't i care? BECAUSE I BOUGHT THE RIGHT TO MAKE THAT! If you don't want Veterans to gain lots of points at the costs of the poor little "?", then make those games unavailable to them! Once again thanks for making me so sure that buying the membership is NOT the right choice. Why not? Because you treat your paying members like criminals, instead of correcting what you think that is wrong in your game.
Kotaro is right. This "noted" is bullshit. Tezu is a fine player. I played against her, and many other non-"?" some times. And if it wasn't for her, i wouldn't play many times in my favourite map, feudal war, because i don't have much patience to start games with lots of slots (being non-gold member is a b*tch hehe
).
You all have a great game here. CC is one of the best online games i have ever seen. please don't ruin it with some bad calls on your memebers. Most of us don't deserve it
Re: Tezu - possible farmer [noted]
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Sat Aug 01, 2009 12:28 amby Tezu
macro wrote:Hum... reading this topic really cleared made my doubts about purchasing the gold membership here in CC. So if a person has bought the membership, he or she has the right to all of it's options, am i right? Once you choose to deprive your players from using some of the options THEY BOUGHT, instead of changing the game (like for example, not allowing "?"s to join games in which the creator has over 1400 points, or so).
If i bought the membership, i would do exactly what Tezu and other players do. Start a lot of games in a row and wouldn't care if the slots were filled with "?". You know why wouldn't i care? BECAUSE I BOUGHT THE RIGHT TO MAKE THAT! If you don't want Veterans to gain lots of points at the costs of the poor little "?", then make those games unavailable to them! Once again thanks for making me so sure that buying the membership is NOT the right choice. Why not? Because you treat your paying members like criminals, instead of correcting what you think that is wrong in your game.
Kotaro is right. This "noted" is bullshit. Tezu is a fine player. I played against her, and many other non-"?" some times. And if it wasn't for her, i wouldn't play many times in my favourite map, feudal war, because i don't have much patience to start games with lots of slots (being non-gold member is a b*tch hehe
).
You all have a great game here. CC is one of the best online games i have ever seen. please don't ruin it with some bad calls on your memebers. Most of us don't deserve it
I really wish the admins would read this... But I'm pretty sure once the report has been "noted" they don't bother to read the thread again...
Re: Tezu - possible farmer [noted]
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Sat Aug 01, 2009 11:52 amby alster
Tezu wrote:I really wish the admins would read this... But I'm pretty sure once the report has been "noted" they don't bother to read the thread again...
Jebus! Get over it cupcake. It's been "noted". That doesn't mean anything. Just that, which they would anyways, take the thread into account if more C&A accusations involving farming comes up. Nothing in the "noted" suggests that you're prohibited from doing something or that you've been warned etc.
All in all though, as clearly stated in the announcement - setting up games aimed at attracting ?s may, depending on the circumstances, constitute farming. If this would not be the case, the anti-farming rule could be circumvented.