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Posted: **Sat Jun 06, 2009 4:50 pm**

Accused:Keyser Söze

The accused are suspected of:

Being Multis

Game number(s):

Game 3195813
Game 3845222
Game 3804238
Game 3437999
Game 3464711
Game 3538692
Game 3561018

Comments: These are just some of the maps he suposedly won the "FIRST" time he played them, there are more games in which he has won a map the very first time he played it, but like feudal war and king of the mountains, rookies have no clue how to play the map, and even harder to win against 7 other players, its one thing to get lucky in a 1on on 1 game, but he likes 8 player freestyle games.
if hes not a multi, he is one of the luckiest bastards playing here.

Keyser Söze, you have my apologies in advance if i am wrong.

Posted: **Sat Jun 06, 2009 6:32 pm**

Wow those are some old games, most of them ended before Christmas. Have you been waiting on this for any reason.

Posted: **Sat Jun 06, 2009 6:44 pm**

You think you can catch Keyser Soze? You think a guy like that comes this close to getting fingered and sticks his head out? If he comes up for anything, it will be to get rid of me. After that, my guess is you'll never hear from him again.

But in all seriousness, I happen to have a lot of luck the first time I play a map too. I tend not to over think my moves as much and let instinct and common sense guide me. But then again, have you ever seen me and Keyser Soze in the same place at the same time?

Posted: **Sat Jun 06, 2009 10:06 pm**

neanderpaul14 wrote:Wow those are some old games, most of them ended before Christmas. Have you been waiting on this for any reason.

wasnt waiting at all, he just joined a game of mine, and i looked at his profile, and games played, 1st time playing him.
and like i said if i'm wrong i apologize in advance, just seems real strange to me that he became a freestyle expert immediately, and also wins at maps like world 2.1, feudal war, king of the mountains, etc. 1st time out.
most people dont have a clue how to play king of the mountains or feudal at first.

Posted: **Sat Jun 06, 2009 10:16 pm**

The first ever game I won was a freestyle King of the Mountain game and that was only after a couple of games. I think he is more lucky then a multi.

Posted: **Sat Jun 06, 2009 10:29 pm**

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Posted: **Sun Jun 07, 2009 12:17 am**

Banned for not posting a spoiler alert

Sorry, wrong thread

Posted: **Sun Jun 07, 2009 12:24 am**

and like that
...
hes gone

Posted: **Sun Jun 07, 2009 1:45 am**

azezzo wrote:
neanderpaul14 wrote:Wow those are some old games, most of them ended before Christmas. Have you been waiting on this for any reason.

wasnt waiting at all, he just joined a game of mine, and i looked at his profile, and games played, 1st time playing him.
and like i said if i'm wrong i apologize in advance, just seems real strange to me that he became a freestyle expert immediately, and also wins at maps like world 2.1, feudal war, king of the mountains, etc. 1st time out.
most people dont have a clue how to play king of the mountains or feudal at first.

Obviously EVERYONE knows Feudal is my specialty. Learning the strategy in a 6 players game with escalating regardless of what fortification type, is always the same: capture 4 territories including your castle and then bombard a neutral territory. The key to winning is patience, and timing your attack. Even though it sounds boring to simply wait until everyone attacks each and thereby doing all the work, that's the whole point...it's being tactful. I've tried MANY different strategies and most games I've won, is simply because of my patience. If that was his first game, he'd either have some 'friends' who he asked for strategies, or simply that he could quite possibly be a multi.

Posted: **Sun Jun 07, 2009 2:10 am**

Timminz wrote:It's really Kevin Spacey.

Or maybe it is the elusive Caiser Sosa.

Posted: **Sun Jun 07, 2009 2:12 am**

neanderpaul14 wrote:
Timminz wrote:It's really Kevin Spacey.

Or maybe it is the elusive Caiser Sosa.

or even the great John Philip Sousa

Posted: **Sun Jun 07, 2009 2:25 am**

owenator wrote:
azezzo wrote:
neanderpaul14 wrote:Wow those are some old games, most of them ended before Christmas. Have you been waiting on this for any reason.

wasnt waiting at all, he just joined a game of mine, and i looked at his profile, and games played, 1st time playing him.
and like i said if i'm wrong i apologize in advance, just seems real strange to me that he became a freestyle expert immediately, and also wins at maps like world 2.1, feudal war, king of the mountains, etc. 1st time out.
most people dont have a clue how to play king of the mountains or feudal at first.

Obviously EVERYONE knows Feudal is my specialty. Learning the strategy in a 6 players game with escalating regardless of what fortification type, is always the same: capture 4 territories including your castle and then bombard a neutral territory. The key to winning is patience, and timing your attack. Even though it sounds boring to simply wait until everyone attacks each and thereby doing all the work, that's the whole point...it's being tactful. I've tried MANY different strategies and most games I've won, is simply because of my patience. If that was his first game, he'd either have some 'friends' who he asked for strategies, or simply that he could quite possibly be a multi.

Or he read the Strategy forum, where it's laid out quite clearly.

Posted: **Sun Jun 07, 2009 2:50 am**

Must every new player to the site that wins games be accused of being a multi?

Is this system becomming about "fishing for multis" as cleverly pointed out by another CC member I've talked to?

What exactly do we consider justifiable terms to accuse someone on this charge? As a CC member has pointed out... if one was to examin 50 of the new accounts to CC a % of them would be multi accounts. This is just fact, it's the way it is. But do we need to put every new player who wins games through the ringer? We don't even need to examin a history of games anymore? We feel fine making the accusation before they establish a track record of suspicious activity?

Again... out of X new accounts, I'm sure some are multis but in terms of accusing one, does this fact mean we should not be concerned with the calibre of evidence brought forward?

I probably spent a good hour and a half mulling over the strategy forums before trying a specific map. I also checked out previously played games on the same map with the Game Finder function. There are alot of sources available to new players to familiarize themselves with gimmics. Then there are those that are helpful members of the site.

Why do we treat Feudal (or similar maps) like some holy grail that new players must stumble upon and if not, we raise an eyebrow. Owenator is right... there is a very simplistic strategy to the map in 1-1 competition.

Last but not least... Isn't it likely that in multiple player games on any map... the mistakes of several other players could contribute to the win of any remaining player? New accounts are not immuned from luckily avoiding combat until later.

Jasmine

Posted: **Sun Jun 07, 2009 3:10 am**

owenator wrote:
azezzo wrote:
neanderpaul14 wrote:Wow those are some old games, most of them ended before Christmas. Have you been waiting on this for any reason.

wasnt waiting at all, he just joined a game of mine, and i looked at his profile, and games played, 1st time playing him.
and like i said if i'm wrong i apologize in advance, just seems real strange to me that he became a freestyle expert immediately, and also wins at maps like world 2.1, feudal war, king of the mountains, etc. 1st time out.
most people dont have a clue how to play king of the mountains or feudal at first.

Obviously EVERYONE knows Feudal is my specialty. Learning the strategy in a 6 players game with escalating regardless of what fortification type, is always the same: capture 4 territories including your castle and then bombard a neutral territory. The key to winning is patience, and timing your attack. Even though it sounds boring to simply wait until everyone attacks each and thereby doing all the work, that's the whole point...it's being tactful. I've tried MANY different strategies and most games I've won, is simply because of my patience. If that was his first game, he'd either have some 'friends' who he asked for strategies, or simply that he could quite possibly be a multi.

I have played him a number of times including having him as a dbs partner, I have given him tips on feud, I know I'm a useless feud player so my advice was probably counter productive... lol. I doubt he is a multi. From chatting to him, he doesn't get premium, cause would take up too much of his time. Now I know I speed way to much time on CC, so probably a realistic call on his part. Doubt very much that he is a multi. I have won my first time on a few maps.

Posted: **Sun Jun 07, 2009 11:33 am**

i agree with rabid bunnies (we need a nick name for u btw, RB? Jazz? Rabid?)

it seems people just start accusing people randomly for no purpose other than them winning a few times
it makes me wonder (hums maroon 5) what people are thinking
"Hey he beat me?! but im supposed to be the all knowing god that can never lose!!!! he must be a multi" :evil:

i thinkw e should create a systematic way of finding multis, like checking every new recruit a week or two after they join
or at random intervals for the first month or so

Posted: **Mon Jun 08, 2009 12:55 am**

a.sub wrote:it seems people just start accusing people randomly for no purpose other than them winning a few times
it makes me wonder (hums maroon 5) what people are thinking
"Hey he beat me?! but im supposed to be the all knowing god that can never lose!!!! he must be a multi"

i thinkw e should create a systematic way of finding multis, like checking every new recruit a week or two after they join
or at random intervals for the first month or so

Its been a unwinning battle to change the logic of "he beat me", "hes too good", "hes too fast" must be a multi.

Good Luck with the fight.

You might want to suggest that suggestion in the Suggs & Bugs forum though, like I said Good Luck,

King Sam

Posted: **Mon Jun 08, 2009 6:12 pm**

Keyser Söze is Busted with gonnawoopyourass.

Posted: **Mon Jun 08, 2009 6:46 pm**

king sam wrote:
a.sub wrote:it seems people just start accusing people randomly for no purpose other than them winning a few times
it makes me wonder (hums maroon 5) what people are thinking
"Hey he beat me?! but im supposed to be the all knowing god that can never lose!!!! he must be a multi"

i thinkw e should create a systematic way of finding multis, like checking every new recruit a week or two after they join
or at random intervals for the first month or so

Its been a unwinning battle to change the logic of "he beat me", "hes too good", "hes too fast" must be a multi.

Good Luck with the fight.

You might want to suggest that suggestion in the Suggs & Bugs forum though, like I said Good Luck,

King Sam

lancehoch wrote:Keyser Söze is Busted with gonnawoopyourass.

i might
except it looks like the logic worked here

Posted: **Mon Jun 08, 2009 9:15 pm**

king sam wrote:
a.sub wrote:it seems people just start accusing people randomly for no purpose other than them winning a few times
it makes me wonder (hums maroon 5) what people are thinking
"Hey he beat me?! but im supposed to be the all knowing god that can never lose!!!! he must be a multi"

i thinkw e should create a systematic way of finding multis, like checking every new recruit a week or two after they join
or at random intervals for the first month or so

Its been a unwinning battle to change the logic of "he beat me", "hes too good", "hes too fast" must be a multi.

Good Luck with the fight.

You might want to suggest that suggestion in the Suggs & Bugs forum though, like I said Good Luck,

King Sam

actually, he did not beat me, i won, this was not a case of sour grapes, rather i simply like to check out the profiles of people who join my games. you can learn alot about a player by the games he plays

Posted: **Mon Jun 08, 2009 10:05 pm**

azezzo wrote:
king sam wrote:
a.sub wrote:it seems people just start accusing people randomly for no purpose other than them winning a few times
it makes me wonder (hums maroon 5) what people are thinking
"Hey he beat me?! but im supposed to be the all knowing god that can never lose!!!! he must be a multi"

i thinkw e should create a systematic way of finding multis, like checking every new recruit a week or two after they join
or at random intervals for the first month or so

Its been a unwinning battle to change the logic of "he beat me", "hes too good", "hes too fast" must be a multi.

Good Luck with the fight.

You might want to suggest that suggestion in the Suggs & Bugs forum though, like I said Good Luck,

King Sam

actually, he did not beat me, i won, this was not a case of sour grapes, rather i simply like to check out the profiles of people who join my games. you can learn alot about a player by the games he plays

Fair enough. I actually wasnt responding on the claim you made which resulted in a bust, rather then to a.sub's post about making claims that have lil to no evidence.

While they do have benefits and some will end up like this one I think its a slippery slope to go down, cause as we have seen in the past every tom, dick & harry will make a cheating claim cause of those generic reasons and have no weighted value behind why they are accusing someone other then they lost.

I actually looked at the games you listed in the 1st post azezzo and couldn't give an opinion either way as to whether or not it looked like a multi so I didn't post on the matter, which doesn't happen alot.

Im glad he was found guilty and will not be able to continue on in these ways.

Good Job,
King Sam

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