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ThaHunter+axh96 Multis [busted]

PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 6:40 am
by Tonppa
Accused:

ThaHunter
axh98




The accused are suspected of:

Being Multis



Game number(s):

Game 4817437
Game 4816168
Game 4804043
Game 4803789



Comments:

That was just first 3v3's i took, but i checked maybe 25 of their matches where they play together and it allways goes the same way, easy to see.
I found out this when we started our game, axh98 didnt even try to take any areas, he just attacked me and took my bonuses away, then ThaHunter attacked me with all of his bonuses... and this happens in every game. Also check that they play freestyle matches but they dont play at the same time EVER. In any game!

Re: ThaHunter+axh96 Multis

PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 6:49 am
by ThaHunter
for once, idk what you are talking about.

they will see axh is an american that moved to the netherlands for study(check his premium payment i guess)

i played my favorite map, where he didnt knew how to play, so i foed him. but some time back he asked me to teach him the map so i tried to.(even in private games he created)
i am just playing my own game so idk what you are talking about.

ooh and read what axh said in the chat, lol..

Re: ThaHunter+axh96 Multis

PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 6:52 am
by Tonppa
i bet the thing is that that axh98 made that account and bought premium, but quit his game and gave that account to u.

Re: ThaHunter+axh96 Multis

PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 6:53 am
by ThaHunter
nope he didnt, we are both still playing and i met him irl as well:) since hes staying pretty close near my city

Re: ThaHunter+axh96 Multis

PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 8:40 am
by e_i_pi
Search: Freestyle, Supermax, 3 player
Player: ThaHunter, axh98

Results: 16 finished games
ThaHunter: 16 wins

BOB shows that axh's attacks against the third player account for around 60-70% of his total attacks, the rest of his attacks mostly against neutrals (guards).

Honestly TH, you could have made it a little less obvious...

Re: ThaHunter+axh96 Multis

PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 8:43 am
by Tonppa
and 1v1 ThaHunter v axh98

5 matches, ThaHunter won them all

Re: ThaHunter+axh96 Multis

PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 10:59 am
by ThaHunter
as i said, he asked if i could learn him the map.. i told it in here and in your game

Re: ThaHunter+axh96 Multis

PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 11:37 am
by Tonppa
you can say whatever you want :)

Re: ThaHunter+axh96 Multis

PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 12:02 pm
by Darwins_Bane
Tonppa wrote:you can say whatever you want :)


From someone else's perspective, this accusation doesn't make a ton of sense. Why would the premium account feed the freemium account points? This story seems to be what ThaHunter is saying. I could be wrong tho.

Re: ThaHunter+axh96 Multis

PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 12:20 pm
by Masli
well, its multi or secret deplomacy. So they will be blocked or busted as multy.

Re: ThaHunter+axh96 Multis

PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 12:38 pm
by Tonppa
Darwins_Bane wrote:
Tonppa wrote:you can say whatever you want :)


From someone else's perspective, this accusation doesn't make a ton of sense. Why would the premium account feed the freemium account points? This story seems to be what ThaHunter is saying. I could be wrong tho.



did u even check their games?
i dont care why he does that, all i see is those games.... and they are dodgy.
If there was even one match that their gamingtime is more then 10 minutes in 50 freestyle matches... but there isnt.

Re: ThaHunter+axh96 Multis

PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 1:11 pm
by riodeishere
oh so if you win alot on one map, your a multi. wow we do have a multi problem here on cc then. :lol:

16 out of 16 games, thats nothing.

come on it's his map, many majors stick to one map and win 90% of the time.

i can't talk for axh96 but thahunter is a good player and wouldn't cheat. he an honest player and respectable clan leader. there is no fact behind this accusation. axh96 just isn't as good as thahunter on supermax

Re: ThaHunter+axh96 Multis

PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 1:41 pm
by Tonppa
like i said, did u checked how they play?
on freestyle they are making turns, usually 10-20 secs between eatchoher... why? if u can explain me that, then im all good.
i mean that happens in EVERY game.

Re: ThaHunter+axh96 Multis

PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 3:53 pm
by ThaHunter
as i tried to explain to you, i am here almost 24/7.. its very much an addiction, so i just start my turn whenever i can. idc about the fact when others start their turn as long as i am first..

Re: ThaHunter+axh96 Multis

PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 12:49 am
by Tonppa
you weren't first in our game...

Re: ThaHunter+axh96 Multis

PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 4:22 am
by e_i_pi
riodeishere wrote:oh so if you win alot on one map, your a multi. wow we do have a multi problem here on cc then. :lol:

3p Esc FS games on Supermax by ThaHunter:

Wins with axh96 present: 16/16
Wins without axh96 present: 19/28

It's not that he wins a lot on one map, but that he never loses when axh96 is playing as well. Not surprising - 2v1 will always result in a victory for the 2
16 out of 16 games, thats nothing.

16 out of 16 with axh96...
19 out of 28 without axh96...
That's something. In any case, 16 out of 16 games IS something - it's 100% win rate. Now, if you're trying to spin some bullshit story about your beloved clan leader being so great at a map he never loses, take a look at when he plays without axh98 - he loses. He loses against cooks, he loses against cadets. He loses fullstop.

come on it's his map, many majors stick to one map and win 90% of the time.

Firstly, that logic holds no water. Most good players play various maps, there are very few that only play one map, and those that do mostly stick to the old school Classic map
Secondly, I just widened the search to 3p Freestyle with those two players in. It now spans 5 different maps, 21 games, with ThaHunter winning all 21. So it's not just "his map" any more, it's every 3p Esc FS map
Thirdly, there is further evidence that you blissfully ignored first time round. Of course I know why - if you can't win an argument, just ignore what the other guy is saying. Well ignore this douchebag:

axh98's attacks against other players in the 3p FS Esc games:

vs neutrals: 115
vs ThaHunter: 148
vs a third player: 237

So 47% of his attacks are against player 3, and 29% of his attacks are against ThaHunter. This is over 21 games, and a total of about 200 rounds. That's a 50% more likelihood that if he will attack a player, it will be the third player. That's not a one-off. It's not a coincidence. It's an established pattern of behaviour.

i can't talk for axh96

Well I can. He seems to have lost every single ability he had at playing. Let's have a look at axh's score since he started playing those 3p Supermax games he never seems to win:
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He just can't seem to pick up a win. Not a single win. There's no jaggedness to the score chart, there's no brief reprieve from a losing streak. It's just loss after loss after loss, usually within 6-7 rounds on a map as big as supermax. That is completely unheard of.

...but thahunter is a good player and wouldn't cheat. he an honest player and respectable clan leader. there is no fact behind this accusation. axh96 just isn't as good as thahunter on supermax

A point of bias you failed to bring up here... he is YOUR clan leader.

And as for the missing facts behind the accusation, well, I just presented a page of it. If those facts aren't enough, then here's some more. There are 4 recent 1v1 games between axh98 and ThaHunter:

Game 4346676 - Rail Europe - axh attacks neutrals 5 times, attacks ThaHunter 6 times
Game 4390507 - Rail Europe - axh attacks neutrals 8 times, attacks ThaHunter 8 times
Game 4807185 - Supermax - axh attacks neutrals 8 times, attacks ThaHunter 2 times
Game 4807187 - Supermax - axh attacks neutrals 4 times, attacks ThaHunter 3 times

One interesting fact about these games is that they are finishing in rounds 5-7. That's very early for 1v1 games. 50% of 1v1 games reach round 9. On large and complex maps, you can extend that to about round 11. Yet here we see the games finishing in half that time. ThaHunter is somehow able to kill 81 enemy troops in 5-7 rounds. That's some pretty good rolling, it's almost as if the neutrals are helping out.

Which brings me to my next point:

You'll also notice in those last two games a whole swathe of guard neutrals trimmed down to 1 or 2 armies. This is typical of using a multi to suicide against neutrals while the main user cleans up the scraps. Also, the fact that ThaHunter is committing roughly 10 times as many successful assaults as axh98 points to the fact that axh is attacking primarily 1v2 and 2v2, not 3v2. No player is that consistently stupid as to attack against the odds time after time, except perhaps yourself, given your stalwart defence of this obvious cheat.

One last point with those games is that, despite being Freestyle, they are being played Sequentially, with axh calmly waiting until at least 15 seconds after ThaHunter has finished his turn before he commences suiciding into neutrals. What a good little boy axh is, being the patient sacrificial lamb. Gimme a break, sheesh....

Re: ThaHunter+axh96 Multis

PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 7:00 am
by Masli
great research e_i_pi !!! =D> =D> =D>

Re: ThaHunter+axh96 Multis

PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 7:42 am
by Tonppa
Thank you e_i_pi!

that was some serious evidencesearching :geek:

ThaHunter how do u explain these? :lol:

Re: ThaHunter+axh96 Multis

PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 8:11 am
by ThaHunter
i am wondering if i have to explain what axh is doing? why would i have to do that, let him do it himself?

Now, if you're trying to spin some bullshit story about your beloved clan leader being so great at a map he never loses, take a look at when he plays without axh98 - he loses. He loses against cooks, he loses against cadets. He loses fullstop.


so 19 out of 28 or what is it. is losing every game? lol where are your maths skills without counting programs?

and as i see on Axh his scoreline. if he only played xx games with me obviously. then why you tell hes losing everything? look at his scoreline, did you ever learn to read graphics? he isnt obviously losing every game of cc as you are stating.. lol
but you do the maths fine obviously, but as soon as you have to do it without programs doing the maths you fail big time?

how did 16 games affect my 400 games player?

as zeractal said, i have had Axh on foe for a long time because he was just giving away games.
at some point he asked me to teach him the maps Supermax and Rail Europe. so i tried to teach himsupermax in few games (even 1v1) but obviously that failed as well, as well as he kept giving away games. so it was stupid to unfoe.
i dont need axh to win my own games, if you look at my gamehistory!

and as i said, if they check axh his payment they will see hes american

if i would have had the cash to buy premium i would have for sure done it for my main account(if you accuse axh of being my multi)

ooh and the fact that i lose vs w/e rank you named.. name me a player that never lost a game and you are my king!!losing 1/3 of your games on 1 map is fail?

Re: ThaHunter+axh96 Multis

PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 12:16 pm
by e_i_pi
ThaHunter wrote:i am wondering if i have to explain what axh is doing? why would i have to do that, let him do it himself?

Now, if you're trying to spin some bullshit story about your beloved clan leader being so great at a map he never loses, take a look at when he plays without axh98 - he loses. He loses against cooks, he loses against cadets. He loses fullstop.


so 19 out of 28 or what is it. is losing every game? lol where are your maths skills without counting programs?

Never mind TH, subtelty is lost on most idiots

and as i see on Axh his scoreline. if he only played xx games with me obviously. then why you tell hes losing everything? look at his scoreline, did you ever learn to read graphics? he isnt obviously losing every game of cc as you are stating.. lol

No, he's only been losing consistently since playing with you. Which underlines my point - axh doesn't lose all the time, EXCEPT when he is playing 3p Esc FS games with you.

but you do the maths fine obviously, but as soon as you have to do it without programs doing the maths you fail big time?

Well TH, doing the English you fail big time...

Sometimes the jokes just write themselves

how did 16 games affect my 400 games player?

Well, you've scored a total of 1331 points, with 529 points coming from ill-gotten gains.


as zeractal said, i have had Axh on foe for a long time because he was just giving away games.
at some point he asked me to teach him the maps Supermax and Rail Europe. so i tried to teach himsupermax in few games (even 1v1) but obviously that failed as well, as well as he kept giving away games. so it was stupid to unfoe.
i dont need axh to win my own games, if you look at my gamehistory!

I did look at your game history. Take out the games with axh and you're just plain mediocre. You're not a good player. You're a cheat. Your rank is inflated due to cheating.

and as i said, if they check axh his payment they will see hes american

Which is why he logs in from Netherlands, just moments after you each time. It's almost as if the same person is accessing the account...

if i would have had the cash to buy premium i would have for sure done it for my main account(if you accuse axh of being my multi)

No, I accuse you of hijacking his account, because you're too cheap to fork out $25

ooh and the fact that i lose vs w/e rank you named.. name me a player that never lost a game and you are my king!!losing 1/3 of your games on 1 map is fail?

No, pretending you're a good player when really you're just someone who logs in with someone elses account to stack games 2v1, that "is fail"

Re: ThaHunter+axh96 Multis

PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 12:29 pm
by Tonppa
Amen!

(and im not religious)

Re: ThaHunter+axh96 Multis

PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 1:04 pm
by ThaHunter
Amen to all the bs?

anyway i never said my english was good and i never said i was a good player;) thats what you make out of it, at least i have some friends backing me up. who know that i dont cheat.

you make your own story, i know my own truth;) i will stop this discussion now, since we can continiue for 2000000 days or so

and read the gamelog freaking idiot, if you actually pay attention and dont only look at the stats you would notice the stuff i tried to explain to this Tonbarbapappa fool. he can think w/e he wants, so can you


you can do your fail research or w/e idc really, its just a game
if they decide to kick me for a multie i dont have then so be it, you think i care? i play a game fair.

Re: ThaHunter+axh96 Multis

PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 1:58 pm
by zeractal
e_i_pi wrote: 50% of 1v1 games reach round 9

23 of my 27 1v1's have not reached round 9 and only 2 have lasted more than round 9. so somehow i think this statistic is rather flawed

e_i_pi wrote:A point of bias you failed to bring up here... he is YOUR clan leader.

you neglect to mention the clan has only existed a few weeks if that, and we played against and with Thahunter well before that which is why we joined the clan! if anything this shows we are the ones that know him to the point we can judge how fair a player he is.


your argument slightly damages itself with the fact AXH hasn't won any one v ones as if they had it would imply they where at least reasonable when there isn't a third player....as it stands it just supports Thahunters story that AXH is useless and trying to learn

Re: ThaHunter+axh96 Multis

PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 4:25 pm
by Masli
just wait for the mods to make a decision. :D :D :D

They have been very quick lately, the fact that it taking so long means for me that its a difficult case.
They cleared or busted people which have been reported at a later time/date.


I think that they will be blocked for sure, the multy part........ we'll see

If ThaHunter was playing for axh96, they will find out. Wait and see :D :D :D :D

Re: ThaHunter+axh96 Multis

PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 4:48 pm
by zeractal
The mods are experienced and hopefully will be on Thahunter's side having seen simular things before.....
but Masli is right this is a hard case and could go either way. little point fighting over it untill they make an initual decision due to the fact they will review the games themselves anyway.