Conquer Club

Accused:

sjnap

The accused are suspected of:

Other: Point Dumping

Game number(s):

Game 4624503
Game 4624484
Game 4624262
Game 4624237
Game 4624235
Game 4624234
Game 4624232
Game 4624522

Comments: A player with a 75% win rate does not lose eight of nine 1v1 games. of course, sjnap is not point dumping, but I thought this seemed fishy. Making up for points lost in Game 4623974?

wondful25 wrote:of course, sjnap is not point dumping

is he point dumping or not?

Well, I suppose that's for mods to figure out. I can't tell a raccoon from a garbage pail as they say in Japan.

wondful25 wrote:A player with a 75% win rate does not lose eight of nine 1v1 games.

He does when he's playing games he's never played before. The guy just wants to play regular games like anyone else. It's not his fault he's no good at them. Have a look at the games: he's not trying to lose, he just makes a lot of bad moves. Chalk it up to lack of experience in anything but team games against weak teams.

BaldAdonis wrote:

wondful25 wrote:A player with a 75% win rate does not lose eight of nine 1v1 games.

He does when he's playing games he's never played before. The guy just wants to play regular games like anyone else. It's not his fault he's no good at them. Have a look at the games: he's not trying to lose, he just makes a lot of bad moves. Chalk it up to lack of experience in anything but team games against weak teams.

Actually at one time he was a first rate escalating player but then stopped because he got obsessed with being Conqueror.....its a shame and I miss playing him.

Geez really? Do you guys have nothing better to do? Sjnap is tired of being up top so he is playing games with friends. You do realize he would have to win 4 to 1 vs me just to break even. He is playing every game to win, but just is not getting the dice.

As to the statment "making up for the speed game" That is just nuts. We lost that game fair and square. They had the dice and drop. Nothing more to say on that one. A mistake or 2 cost us. They won.

Anybody who plays lots of 1 vs 1 games will tell you to win 80% of the time is impossible for anybody when playing SEQ. It is not like he is playing cooks in these games.

Edited to add:

Game 4624522
2009-04-06 16:21:33 - Game has been initialized
2009-04-06 16:21:52 - Bruceswar receives 2 troops for holding NoordNederland
2009-04-06 16:21:52 - Bruceswar receives 3 troops for 11 regions

You will notice I started with a bonus and first go. On a smaller map like that with unlimited forts, you mine as well call the game there. Just the luck of the draw for me. He is about to sweep me on the board in Brazil Game 4624520

He wants to play normal games now you silly corporal. It's not point dumping, it's 1v1, which is completely luck based. I've swept strong opponents before in 1v1 and also lost 6 of 7 to a striper before. Doesn't mean squat.

comic boy wrote:

BaldAdonis wrote:

wondful25 wrote:A player with a 75% win rate does not lose eight of nine 1v1 games.

He does when he's playing games he's never played before. The guy just wants to play regular games like anyone else. It's not his fault he's no good at them. Have a look at the games: he's not trying to lose, he just makes a lot of bad moves. Chalk it up to lack of experience in anything but team games against weak teams.

Actually at one time he was a first rate escalating player but then stopped because he got obsessed with being Conqueror.....its a shame and I miss playing him.

That he was.. I am sure you will be seeing him again soon. He wants to play all games he enjoys now. Games with friends and other fun games.

prismsaber wrote:He wants to play normal games now you silly corporal. It's not point dumping, it's 1v1, which is completely luck based. I've swept strong opponents before in 1v1 and also lost 6 of 7 to a striper before. Doesn't mean squat.

Prismsaber, what's with your obsession with rank? I am a "silly little corporal"? From what you've written above you should realize that Risk is largely dependent, at times, upon a ubiquitous factor: RISK. You've lost to stripers and I've beat majors. After 53 games you were at 26-27. I am at 25-28, don't look down upon me and call me silly. AS you've already proven, rank has nothing to do with skill level.

Bruce: I apologize for accusing you of gaining points through point dumping.

Sjnap: I apologize for accusing you of point dumping.

Lock this thread.

He is definitely not point dumping, I can guarantee you that. Like everyone else has said sjnap is just trying out some new stuff now. He's not purposely losing, honestly if you look through a majority of his games from the past 4-6 months (just an estimate without looking), they're all team freestyle games. Case is closed sjnap is done being conqueror, and is now playing for fun.

Bruceswar wrote:Anybody who plays lots of 1 vs 1 games will tell you to win 80% of the time is impossible for anybody when playing SEQ.

OP only complained about 75%, and 80% is certainly attainable. Observe many players' Waterloo matches. It wouldn't be attainable if everyone played perfectly, but they don't. You can always massacre public players, but usually people who care enough about playing fairly (and hence playing sequential) don't bother with that. Leave the farming to the "conqueror".

prismsaber wrote:It's 1v1, which is completely luck based. I've swept strong opponents before in 1v1 and also lost 6 of 7 to a striper before. Doesn't mean squat.

No game is completely luck based - even those St. Pat's games.
2 player games are the best measure for an individual player. Good players play for slight advantages which add up to a higher percentage of winning. You can't be assured of a win, but the wins or losses are yours alone, rather than the escalating games where you happen to play after a hanging, or the flat rate games where you're the last one not to deadbeat, or the freestyle team games where you jump another team before they can take a turn. When you lose after playing first, you lose because you lost, not because of anyone else's mistakes.

Bald you know I was not talking about Specializing in a map. Sure Waterloo, and maps like that it can happen on. sjnap did not play those maps so dice become a bit more of a factor. Anyhow no need to debate small things. We all know the score on 1 vs 1 games. I have a 65% win ratio and like -700 points on them. Generally they are hard to profit off of.

I know I stated this in another thread, it gets boring at the top. Only playing certain types because you dont want to lose points. Its alot more fun to just play what you like.

If I gain points ppl calling me a cheater
If I lose points ppl calling me a cheater

I am confused

sjnap wrote:If I gain points ppl calling me a cheater
If I lose points ppl calling me a cheater

I am confused

Dont worry sjnap... I know youre actually bad enough to lose 6 or 7 in a row...

It certainly isnt enough games to prove point dumping...Ive beat people 7, 8 even 20 times in a row myself...and Im almost positive they werent point dumping...not quite the same skill match up...but still...it is possible

I wouldnt recommend losing another 7 games to Just B, but as long as you are trying to win them, its not point dumping

why would he want to dump points. he at the moment is the second highest ranked player on Conquer CLub????

Maybe he's just playing for fun now? He's not dumping, lol.

LED ZEPPELINER wrote:why would he want to dump points. he at the moment is the second highest ranked player on Conquer CLub????

I think that usually, a player dumps points because he's(I don't think any female player has done this before) pissed off at how this site is ran. They're pissed at the mods and admins, and the only way they can express their frustration is by deadbeating every game that they're in.
Obviously, this is not the case for sjnap.

Joodoo wrote:

LED ZEPPELINER wrote:why would he want to dump points. he at the moment is the second highest ranked player on Conquer CLub????

I think that usually, a player dumps points because he's(I don't think any female player has done this before) pissed off at how this site is ran. They're pissed at the mods and admins, and the only way they can express their frustration is by deadbeating every game that they're in.
Obviously, this is not the case for sjnap.

Maybe this new-found way of expressing frustration is a result of removing Flame Wars!

sjnap wrote:If I gain points ppl calling me a cheater
If I lose points ppl calling me a cheater

I am confused

YOUR ALWAYS STAY MINE HERO!!! ( even we going to lose that game against you in san marino)

So maby a bravo is more better to say for you!
On they top for so long time!

BRAVO! BRAVO! BRAVO! for you SJNAP!!

JOHNNYROCKET24 wrote:I know I stated this in another thread, it gets boring at the top. Only playing certain types because you dont want to lose points. Its alot more fun to just play what you like.

BINGO!

Let the guy have some fun, you can't win them all

wondful25 wrote:

prismsaber wrote:He wants to play normal games now you silly corporal. It's not point dumping, it's 1v1, which is completely luck based. I've swept strong opponents before in 1v1 and also lost 6 of 7 to a striper before. Doesn't mean squat.

Prismsaber, what's with your obsession with rank? I am a "silly little corporal"? From what you've written above you should realize that Risk is largely dependent, at times, upon a ubiquitous factor: RISK. You've lost to stripers and I've beat majors. After 53 games you were at 26-27. I am at 25-28, don't look down upon me and call me silly. AS you've already proven, rank has nothing to do with skill level.

Meh the difference between you and me was that when I was a new player I didn't pretend to know what I was talking about like you are now and I didn't make silly threads accusing honest players of cheating.

No cheating here, just a high rank player not very good

I'm just kidding Sj, better luck next time.

I think it's fair to say that he has finally sjnapped.