Conquer Club

Accused:

Gilly754
LFAW

The accused are suspected of:

Conducting Secret Diplomacy/favoring each other in the games
After looking closer at the games, It seems that a few of these were supposed to actually be doubles games, and that gilly just went on to give the game to LFAW anyways. At the end of alot of these games, its very clear gilly is just attacking the other players and not LFAW. Its actually scary to see how many follow the same pattern. LFAW tries to get the other guys to attack... they sometimes do for a while, then at the end, LFAW makes his move, and gilly smashes whoever is left. Originally, I thought perhaps just Gilly was throwing these, but its pretty clear now, they do the same thing in these games each time. And since LFAW is always the one winning, and gilly is always the one losing, it is no coincidence. And theres no reason more people should be cheated the way the ones below were, and posted that they were.

For this entire thread, LFAW and his freinds are professing his absolute innocence, and in game after game, other people are accusing him of cheating, and he was over and over saying that wasnt happening. Even after these multiple accusations in many games, he kept joining games with Gilly and profiting from it, and playing the same scam over and over.

When I originally posted this, I honestly had no idea it was as extensive as it clearly is. I feel bad for those who defended these guys, when you look through those games, it is tragic to see how many times they played the same gig over and over.
Game number(s):

These are the games that LFAW won:

Game 2594581 Game 3313977 Game 3314734 Game 3314904
Game 2607626 Game 3315141 Game 3321599 Game 3344062
Game 2607743 Game 3344515 Game 3355345 Game 3355740
Game 2672386 Game 3355862 Game 3362141 Game 3362384
Game 2672621 Game 4221861 Game 4258477 Game 3122072
Game 2712858 Game 3162464<another handout Game 3162793this ones a complete hand out. Game 4231045

These are the games that Gilly won:
Game 3321776

Overall, Gilly has won 1 standard game with LFAW as the opponent for 3%
Overall, LFAW has won 27 out of 37, for 73%

LFAW wins 50% of your feudal games.
with gilly LFAW wins 63% in feudal games

Gilly wins 20% of his feudal games.
with LFAW in the games, he wins 0%

Comments: [b]Out of the other games there were only 8 that LFAW didnt win. and one of those Gilly won.
LFAW wins maybe half of the fuedal games normally. When gilly joins, it goes up to 70-75%
Gilly wins nearly 25% of the 4 palyer fuedal games normally. When LFAW joins, he wins 0%.
Its pretty clear when they play together its not fair for the other team. These percentages dont lie. If they play together, everyone else gets cheated. Whether its just gilly giving them away, or if LFAW knows about it is impossible to say. But its fairly clear what happens when they play together. LFAW wins far more than usual, and GIlly never wins. And the rest of the time they are doubles partners.

I suspected right away they were avoiding each other in our game, and in the end, gilly sure enough made sure green won.
He attacked him a few times for good measure, as anyone would be smart enough to do, but in the end, as usual, he gave the game to LFAW.

LFAW wrote:Plus, AAfitz is the only person to ever accuse us of this, if we cheated so obviously surely it would have been mentioned before in the 40 or so other games?

The reason it hasnt is simply because there was no cheating going on.

LFAW

This is a complete lie. I really feel bad for those who defended this guy now. There have been multiple cheating accusations in games. Theres no way he forgot these. These people left him feedbacks, put him on ignore. I cant even understand how you could post this. Were you just hoping no one would read the chats? When I originally posted this, I didnt even realize how many others saw cheating or questionable behavior.

Heres what other people actually saw in the games:

each grouping is a seperate game
People are actively questioning gilly's moves, and even accusing him of cheating.
LFAW knew this was happening in game after game, but he kept joining and winning.

EckoJ: [gilly] just destroyed ALL his armies on me
2008-06-08 05:47:33 - EckoJ: so he ahve nothign left
2008-06-08 05:47:34 - Gilly754: nah im not
2008-06-08 05:47:38 - EckoJ: welcome to my ignor list
2008-06-08 05:49:00 - Gilly754: im gonna set another one
2008-06-08 05:49:31 - Gilly754: set
2008-06-08 05:49:35 - LFAW: go for it
2008-06-08 05:49:38 - LFAW: ill join
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2008-09-23 07:57:09 - [b]n8tius: u working system to help u colonel frined there
2008-09-23 07:57:21 - n8tius: u worked me to stop my growth adn ur buddy grew[/b]
2008-09-23 07:57:31 - Gilly754: im not helping him at all
2008-09-23 07:57:41 - n8tius: sure buddy
2008-09-23 07:57:57 - Gilly754: i wanted to take taht area and you were just deploying there
2008-09-23 07:58:08 - LFAW: we play competitvely...((((its just that gilly gives him the games and never wins himself))))
2008-09-23 07:58:09 - n8tius: have u attacked him this except for in ur cell block?i wont knoiw until fog is lifted
2008-09-23 07:58:57 - n8tius: everyone who knows knows what goin on
2008-09-23 08:00:01 - n8tius: not helping eh 2008-09-23 09:59:42 - LFAW receives 4 armies for holding ? 2008-09-23 09:59:42 - LFAW receives 8 armies for holding ? 2008-09-23 09:59:42 - LFAW receives 6 armies for holding ? 2008-09-23 09:59:42 - LFAW receives 4 armies for holding ? 2008
2008-09-23 08:00:36 - n8tius: he get like 50 and u get 4
2008-09-23 08:01:19 - Gilly754: its not my fault
2008-09-23 08:01:38 - Gilly754: i can't see him so i can't atatck him
2008-09-23 08:01:51 - Gilly754: this is my first time on this map i don't know it
This ones just laughable.
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Shizumu: the 2 of you are getting negative feedback
2008-09-22 09:00:06 - Shizumu: frankly it seems like[gilly] was your second account there LFAW]
2008-09-22 09:00:10 - Shizumu: no wonder you are your rank
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2008-08-25 09:09:13 - LFAW: [hali]how can u appear so weak
2008-08-25 09:10:12 - halli: [gilly] practivally did me in
2008-08-25 09:12:54 - Gilly754: gg LFAW
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Shizumu: what the hell are you guys doing that ROUND *_ 7 [LFAW] has over 70?
2008-09-22 05:52:58 - Shizumu: negative feed back on you all
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2008-09-28 09:49:00 - Gilly754 missed a turn (his 3rd in a row)
2008-09-28 09:49:00 - Incrementing game to round 109
2008-09-28 09:49:28 - LFAW held the Become a Mogul objective
he just gave this one to him..its obvious they planned whatever this was supposed to be from the beginning. Not one attack for round after round..and then gilly deadbeated
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Shizumu: yeah red and [gilly] just handed it to [LFAW]
2008-06-08 06:46:09 - Shizumu: gg [LFAW]
2008-06-08 06:46:20 - Gilly754: he sneaked out and went for my castle so i follwed him to my castle lol
(((again, another convenient suicide attack that gives LFAW the game again)))
2008-06-08 06:47:19 - hundredand1aces: green came at with 85
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1 - detoorteg:[gilly] you fool
2009-02-09 05:23:36 - detoorteg: [gilly]you had the game
2009-02-09 05:23:39 - Bruceswar: then [gilly] autoed me for who knows why
2009-02-09 05:24:01 - Gilly754: i had to as a last defence pink
2009-02-09 05:24:44 - Gilly754: i have done it before
2009-02-09 05:24:48 - LFAW: hahahahah
2009-02-09 05:24:54 - LFAW: gill cud win this
2009-02-09 05:24:59 - LFAW: he just has to get to teal first
2009-02-09 05:25:12 - LFAW: i have to kill grey recash and kill teal in same time
2009-02-09 05:25:23 - demonfork: gilly is quick
2009-02-09 05:25:26 - King0fChaos: how fast is yellow?
009-02-09 05:25:34 - LFAW: [gilly] is quick
2009-02-09 05:26:02 - Bruceswar: LFAW you got a nice gift though...
2009-02-09 05:26:43 - Gilly754: im quick enough to take teal out
2009-02-09 05:27:11 - Bruceswar: [gilly], why in the fs world you are slow ... sorry
2009-02-09 05:28:15 - demonfork: haha why did i think yellow was fast?
2009-02-09 05:29:37 - Gilly754: k
2009-02-09 05:29:47 - Gilly754: i will get in

He lost. LFAW won again. he had to kill one territory, LFAW cashed, and killed teal. This happens in alot of games, but this is after two players thought he had the game, and he attacked them instead.
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chrisamo: I am out of it any way red and green have been nibbling at me
2009-02-14 09:25:44 - chrisamo: red just took out 21 with 20 plus 5 areas
2009-02-14 09:26:10 - Gilly754: actually it was 23 vs 25 blue
2009-02-14 09:28:00 - chrisamo: yellow you are stonger than me now
2009-02-14 09:28:08 - AAFitz: red has it in for you
2009-02-14 09:31:08 - AAFitz: ill let you and red battle it out...and make my move acordingly
2009-02-14 09:32:30 - AAFitz: though red seems hell bent on just killing blue at this point
2009-02-14 09:32:52 - AAFitz: you spend one more army on blue and its over anyways red
2009-02-14 09:35:29 - AAFitz: of course you guys are doubles partners most of the time, so this makes a little more sense now
2009-02-14 09:35:35 - AAFitz: blue, we never had a chance
2009-02-14 09:36:47 - AAFitz: these guys werent going to let either of us win no matter what
2009-02-14 09:37:07 - Gilly754: u ass hole
2009-02-14 09:37:22 - LFAW: wtf... i would have let u win
2009-02-14 09:37:46 - Gilly754: aww LFAW they know we play doubles a lot now
2009-02-14 09:37:55 - LFAW: so? lol
2009-02-14 09:38:02 - LFAW: we play doubles..
2009-02-14 09:38:17 - LFAW: we obviously cant play competitively
2009-02-14 09:38:22 - Gilly754: lol
2009-02-14 09:38:44 - LFAW: thats why I just took ur bonus then, coz ur my doubs partner u see
2009-02-14 09:39:06 - Gilly754: haha
2009-02-14 09:40:00 - AAFitz: you guys have 100 games together and most are as dubs partners
2009-02-14 09:40:16 - AAFitz: and you left each other alone all game, and assassinated blue
2009-02-14 09:40:26 - AAFitz: its fine with me
2009-02-14 09:40:39 - Gilly754: no we havent't left each other alone
2009-02-14 09:40:46 - AAFitz: i knew when red jumped in defending you like you were his chick you were together anyways
2009-02-14 09:41:00 - AAFitz: in the end you did, youre still hitting blue and giving it to green
2009-02-14 09:41:20 - Gilly754: only a few rounds ago i whacked an army of greens (19) with mine of (20)
2009-02-14 09:41:40 - AAFitz: ive played too many games to not know what went on here red
2009-02-14 09:41:44 - AAFitz: dont even bother
2009-02-14 09:41:47 - Gilly754: im hitting blue as he knocked me to pieces earlier in game
2009-02-14 09:42:09 - AAFitz: youre hitting blue, because youre giving it to green
2009-02-14 09:42:34 - AAFitz: i wish i checked your games before, would have been fun smashing you both...lol
2009-02-14 09:42:39 - Gilly754: no im getting revenge on [blue] he tried to take me out earlier (who had deadbeated)
2009-02-14 09:42:59 - AAFitz: hes gone, your giving the game to green
2009-02-14 09:43:38 - Gilly754: green had won ages ago anyway
2009-02-14 09:44:02 - AAFitz: yes, you did a ncie job of giving it to him
2009-02-14 09:44:09 - AAFitz: ill see if i cant ge you blocked though
2009-02-14 09:44:14 - AAFitz: this one was over the line
2009-02-14 09:44:20 - AAFitz: ill imagine its not the first time either
2009-02-14 09:44:42 - AAFitz: its funny i suspected it from the beginning but never checked
2009-02-14 09:44:56 - Gilly754: we never helped each other or spoke to each other apart from in-game chat
2009-02-14 09:45:44 - AAFitz: you guys left each other alone, and you gave it to him
2009-02-14 09:46:00 - Gilly754: no we attacked each other
2009-02-14 09:46:18 - Gilly754: this first time we played a game like this together in months

Secret Diplomacy hey fitz?

Ok first lets examine the game in which Fitz decided we were conducting secret diplomacy.
Game 4258477

In the game Me and Fitz had a Truce on Arabia Petrea. About 9 rounds later Fitz looked like he was winning so I broke the truce and hit him. He continued to suicide all armies on me for about 11 rounds before starting to build up. In game chat we both made up.

Me and Gilly during this time I had 18 on Africa Procanulis and I knew because he took me out there before that he had a huge stack on tarraconesis (however I also knew they could not attack me due to the 1 next to my 1) so I left that front alone.

Blue throughout the entire game was fighting with Gilly and later me at around Round 14 (can't remember exactly) Gilly took out my stack on Africa Pro and took it over, I then had only my army on Aegyptus on my southern flank to defend it.

Later on I did try to attack it as you can see in finer detail but his army on Africa was too strong.

The statement that Gilly gave this game to me is false, why: just because we are doubles partners does not mean we favour eachother nor in this game did he do anything to show that he gave it to me.

1) He took my southern city and tried to take my second when I looked strongest.
2) Towards the end he focused on Blue as I believe Blue did attack him many tiesm and Gilly was getting annoyed (Gilly did say this in game Chat) Similarly he attacked me coz i annoyed him (see game chat)

Ok thats that game done.

In all other games, he has never favoured me, we have always hit eachother and not trying to be rude here but as most of them were Feudals, it is my best map and I believe I am better then Gilly at them, I also have Clickies and can outspeed Gilly for easy kills. I am sure if you looked through the logs you would see that.

Furthermore I would never, and have never cheated and I hope some people set Fitz straight here.

Oh and you want a game where Gilly beat me: Game 3321776

Plus, AAfitz is the only person to ever accuse us of this, if we cheated so obviously surely it would have been mentioned before in the 40 or so other games?

The reason it hasnt is simply because there was no cheating going on.

LFAW

EDIT: I believe the easiest way to summarise this thread is, look at my feudal 4 player games, i have won far too many to be cheating, 3/4 of which Gilly wasn't there.

AAfitz is a sore loser and I hope the mods have some sense and see that. If you need any more evidence that I am not cheating multi-hunters just pm me and ill supply some.

Oh and you want a game where Gilly beat me: Game 3321776

You mean the game Gilly beat you.

You won 23 out of 30 of the rest with him right there. And there are stretches of 5 to 7 in a row, if not more. The numbers speak for themselves here, and I knew right away you guys were avoiding each other, which is why I never attacked blue. I should have trusted my instincts better, because id have never hit him when i did.

Red had every opportunity to beat you. He wasted his last armies on Blue, to give it to you. Blue wasnt a threat at all, and he kept going after him even after he deadbeated.

Myself, Ive never seen a case of favoring so cut and dry. Gilly beat you in one game, and you won 23 out of 30 of the rest of them... and the rest of the time he is your doubles partner.

Fitz, read the logs of all those games. The vast majority of those games are feudals, I outwaited and hit them all once they hit eachother.

Its basic strategy for that map so no wonder I won 18/20 or whatever on it. The numbers speak to themselves because of skill. No other reason.

In 4 player games everyone knows manipulation cometo play alot to win it.
I'm good at it, everyone knows I am.

So what if he's my doubles partner? Its not a crime... I used to play with him alot because I liked the little guy.

If you read all the logs you will see me and Gilly attack eachother very often (except in feudals maybe) because strategy isnt a good idea to get into a fight quickly.

Give me a game and ill show you in the log, I obviously can't remember each game but i'll try my best.

LFAW

give you a game? I listed 23 of them and I saw the one we were in. I suspected very quickly, but gave you the benefit of the doubt, and gave red his chance to win, but he as always hit someone else, and let you take it home.

Tell me which one you want details on then.

Since you did... EDITED: Gilly plays his own game, not my game. What he does is NOT my doing he plays to win otherwise why the hell would he play? As i've said above, tell me a game number and ill read the log.

You can try to explain it away all you want. Its very easy to explain every attack and even make it look like you arent favoring someone in a game. But I already watched him give you a game, and that was after he already lost 29 games that you were in. The numbers are simply too obvious here, especially when all he had to do was attack you to win, and ignore the guy that was already dead.

he plays to win otherwise why the hell would he play?

to help his doubles partner win games which you did far more than most of the time, and which he did once.

So infact your saying now, despite the fact im prepared to go thru logs to try and show you...
Your evidence is a load of numbers and on your opinion of how a game went through the eyes of a sore loser...

Even then, the numbers show that I am good at the games I play, and I have already explained this game. You're talking crap Fitz, as I have said, show me one game that is clearcut and I will explain otherwise.

Since you edited again, EDITED: Why would someone play to give their doubles partner points? And I love it how you ignore the rest of my argument and cut it down to 10 words...

Im not talking crap, i saw red give you a game, now i see you play lots together, and you almost always win, and he doesnt, so I posted a thread with the suggestion. What happens from here isnt my call. It looks like a warning or a block is certainly in order, but ive done my job, and gave it plenty of research and time. I listed all the facts that are there, and as far as secret alliance suspicions, this one has as much evidence as they can have.

In my opinion hes throwing you games, and I know he gave you the last one which is why i posted the thread, and listed the games that you have played. The rest isnt up to me.

So your saying I should get warned for winning too many games? Or perhaps Blocked for winning too many games?

You state that it is your opinion but you also state that he gave me a game as fact. Facts are generally true, which you are not.

Gilly did not throw me the game nor has he done so in the past. I know the rest isn't up to you and I say it again, Mods I am prepared to address any game you have discrepancies with and explain using the log and game chat what happened in that game.

LFAW wrote:So your saying I should get warned for winning too many games? Or perhaps Blocked for winning too many games?

You state that it is your opinion but you also state that he gave me a game as fact. Facts are generally true, which you are not.

Gilly did not throw me the game nor has he done so in the past. I know the rest isn't up to you and I say it again, Mods I am prepared to address any game you have discrepancies with and explain using the log and game chat what happened in that game.

amagad LFAW being a naughty boy and taking peoples points? Shame on you!


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Seems fine to me...

Yes, I saw red give you a game. And yes, when two doubles partners join games together and one wins more than 75%, and the other 3% (one game) it is in fact suspicious to say the least.

And as requested, i looked up your other fuedal games. Youve won half of them, no where near as many as with him in the game and that half, includes the games you won with Gilly

Further, if you dont count your games, it seems Gilly is capable of wining around 25% of the feudal games if you arent in there. It seems like its his best map. But when he joins you, you win more, and he doesnt win at all.

You notice that Gilly was still learning the map back when the games were done where I won all and yet now he is better and wins more?

I agree, stats are suspicious but there was no secret alliance, this was through my skill, not through him gifting me games...

And I say yet again, show me a game that isn't based on you being a sore loser and where it is clear by the log or chat that he gave the game to me.

Im not posting this because im a sore loser... ive lost over 2000 games, and i doubt ive posted more than 10 accusations like this in 2.5 years, and I think thats high. Id say i take losing well.

What I dont take well, is obvious cheating, which is one player helping the other to win repeatedly, by ignoring, or actively assassinating the other player. While im biased, Im also experienced to know the difference. The log even shows this becuase i was smart enough to leave blue alone for almost the whole game. The only reason I even attacked him when I did, is because i thought he was telling me that he had a big army, when in fact he meant that red had a big army. Gilly had an army on one side, you had an army on the other. And when blue had a chance of knocking you down, red threw absolutely everything at him, even after he was no longer a threat of any kind, while you were clearly the leader.

I was obviously suspicious enough to check your games, and thats why I posted. Not because of any one game. Its the obvious pattern, and the fact that he never wins, and you seem to get much better. This is as obvious as any secret alliance Ive ever seen with one person helping the other. I credit you for not being stupid enough to never attack each other, but since you always win anyways, that doesnt impress me too much, nor will it impress anyone who looks at these numbers.

AAfitz wrote:What I dont take well, is obvious cheating, which is one player helping the other to win repeatedly, by ignoring, or actively assassinating the other player. While im biased, Im also experienced to know the difference. The log even shows this becuase i was smart enough to leave blue alone for almost the whole game. The only reason I even attacked him when I did, is because i thought he was telling me that he had a big army, when in fact he meant that red had a big army. Gilly had an army on one side, you had an army on the other. And when blue had a chance of knocking you down, red threw absolutely everything at him, even after he was no longer a threat of any kind, while you were clearly the leader.

I also have played a large amount of games, 3600 infact, 56% of which are wins, 23 of which have been wins against Gilly and about 15 as his partner. I think I am experienced enough, and good enough to win on my own and seeing NO-ONE else has reported me for this I think you are going over the top. You are distorting the log, we had armies down south, admittedly I never took back what he took off me as I was busy with Blue, but he took stuff off me?! How is that throwing me a game?!

Gilly is a good player aswell, he is BUT back in the day when Feudal was fairly new and he was learning I did win alot. If this were a court case i'd call Me-da, DAT, 101Aces, Boat4Hire and loads of others to the stand, all of which I played regularly with and against. There were NO secret alliances! I am not trying to sound bigheaded but back in the day I was King.

I was obviously suspicious enough to check your games, and thats why I posted. Not because of any one game. Its the obvious pattern, and the fact that he never wins, and you seem to get much better. This is as obvious as any secret alliance Ive ever seen with one person helping the other. I credit you for not being stupid enough to never attack each other, but since you always win anyways, that doesnt impress me too much, nor will it impress anyone who looks at these numbers.

Statistics does not mean there is anything going on, as I have said CHECK THE GOD DAMN LOGS where has he ever gifted me a game? You are AAfitz a sore loser from 1 Game and because of that you are claiming you saw him gift me a game. NO he played his own game and tried to win, but I won in the end. The last 6 rounds Blue and Red were kicking eachother's heads in while I mopped up Blues 1's. Don't be an idiot you know he didn't gift it you are just being a sore loser.

LFAW

fitz, has it occurred to you that LFAW is better than gilly?!?!?!?!!?

Moneymatt wrote:fitz, has it occurred to you that LFAW is better than gilly?!?!?!?!!?

that is obvious...many are better than gilly, of course, i watched gilly throw a game too......but since LFAW gets better around him, and Gilly gets worse, its fairly obvious they shouldnt be allowed to play together.

gillys won, one game out of 30, and LFAW wins more when hes there.

Don't be an idiot you know he didn't gift it you are just being a sore loser.

This is as legitimate and well researched cheating claim there is. Feel free to get mad, and call me what you want, but I knew from the beginning there was something suspicious between you two, and in the end, it was more than suspicious, it was obvious. Just dont insult the other players by pretending this is all a big cooincidence. and gilly just happens to lose more(all) around you, and you win more around him... and just happened to give you this game too.

AAFitz wrote:

Moneymatt wrote:fitz, has it occurred to you that LFAW is better than gilly?!?!?!?!!?

that is obvious...many are better than gilly, of course, i watched gilly throw a game too......but since LFAW gets better around him, and Gilly gets worse, its fairly obvious they shouldnt be allowed to play together.

gillys won, one game out of 30, and LFAW wins more when hes there.

I get better whenever I play cooks. I'm a f*cking gladiator.

You notice Fitz how everyone is sticking up for me?
I win more as I am better then Gilly he does NOT gift me games and it is unfair to block people based on a statistic which doesn't even reflect that. IF these were 1v1 games, yes there would be cause for concern because dice and drop can decide games there but on a 4 player feudal it is about diplomacy such as the Imperium Romanum was today. You know it wasn't a thrown game yet you will claim there was because you know if you don't you look like a slightly bigger idiot then you already are.

Infact why don't you work out my statistics for people like Boat4Hire, I always beat him, I believe he has beat me once you going to call a secret alliance on it aswell?

Its pathetic Fitz keep ignoring my arguments and just focus on your statistics. I know for a fact a GOOD Multi-Hunter with research into these games will see that I am innocent.

LFAW

wow, it looks like some of the members from Imperial Britain are gaining quite a reputation for cheating.

demonfork wrote:wow, it looks like some of the members from Imperial Britain are gaining quite a reputation for cheating.

This is the first time anyone from Imperial Britain has been accused Lol unlike your clan

LFAW never cheats...
tELL Me world is flat but not round, then insist on it i wud think if so, but do never say me LFAW cheats...

LFAW wrote:You notice Fitz how everyone is sticking up for me?
I win more as I am better then Gilly he does NOT gift me games and it is unfair to block people based on a statistic which doesn't even reflect that. IF these were 1v1 games, yes there would be cause for concern because dice and drop can decide games there but on a 4 player feudal it is about diplomacy such as the Imperium Romanum was today. You know it wasn't a thrown game yet you will claim there was because you know if you don't you look like a slightly bigger idiot then you already are.

Infact why don't you work out my statistics for people like Boat4Hire, I always beat him, I believe he has beat me once you going to call a secret alliance on it aswell?

Its pathetic Fitz keep ignoring my arguments and just focus on your statistics. I know for a fact a GOOD Multi-Hunter with research into these games will see that I am innocent.

LFAW

Well, as I said, i noticed it was suspicious from the very beginning, and had no idea you guys knew each other. It was at the end, when red just kept going at blue, that it was obvious he was giving it to you, but it was obvious enough for me to take the time to look at your games and see that there was some evidence that it may not have been the first time. You may in fact be completely innocent. Theres no way to know...the only thing that's clear, is that when your doubles partner joins your games, you win more, and he wins less to a degree that is beyond suspicious, and certainly worth a look in any case. Im sorry I dont believe you at your word, and and apologize if it is a coincidence, but there's plenty of reason to suspect you guys, and certainly enough for people to know that joining a game with you two in it will probably not be a good idea.

Keep calling me what you want, but take a few minutes and look through the other secret alliance accusations, and try to find any that have this much reason behind them. There arent many. I actually do suspect from gilly's actions, that its mostly just him helping you out, but surely youre experienced enough to know thats happening too. If nothing else you should know better than to let your doubles partner play in so many games, if he's going to lose every single one of them. Im honestly surprised youre surprised youre getting accused here. Its as blatent as these cases ever get really. Even for you to say those games are all fair is a stretch. If one of my friends was losing that much in a game with me, I certainly wouldnt let them play in games with me anymore. It certainly isnt fair to him, and it clearly isnt fair to the other players. Im glad your few friends have stepped in to say a good word for you, Id accuse myself if I had stats like that. I know this game too well to know it doesn't happen by accident. To suggest theres no way hes helping you out is really the foolish thing here. It was obvious to me in ours, after only few rounds.

I don't cheat i took out loads of LFAW'S armies in that game but blue never stopped attacking me and i had had enough of it so just went full out assault on him

thats why i attacked blue and not green at the end

I guess its just convenient for LFAW that in yet another game you decided to just suicide against someone else, instead of trying to win. Just a coincidence that youve won one out of 30, and hes won 23 of them.

The point of this thread, is that it clearly shows you prefer to attack other players, and hand the game to LFAW, as you did in this one. Also, blue did not start with you, he was attacking green, it was you that started pecking away at him, which ultimately gave LFAW the game.


and heres the chat from another game
detoorteg: yellow you fool
2009-02-09 05:23:31 - Bruceswar: it happens
2009-02-09 05:23:36 - detoorteg: you had the game
2009-02-09 05:23:39 - Bruceswar: then you autoed me for who knows why
2009-02-09 05:23:40 - Bruceswar: LOL

Gilly was yellow, and who won that one... LFAW of course.

It goes on where yellow professes to be fast enough to break LFAW...and then they point out that he was in fact very slow...
and ill bet suspiciously slow.

This guy has been giving him games. Not all, and he attacks him once in a while, but when push comes to shove, its obvious he doesnt care about winnning, and will attack someone else instead of LFAW when it counts. Even if LFAW didnt know about it, he certainly had to have suspected it. Thats two games where people are questioning yellows moves when he had a clear shot of winning. Its safe to say out of the other thirty, that there will be more