Conquer Club

Accused:

Jeff Hardy



The accused are suspected of:

Conducting Secret Diplomacy
Severe PM Abuse



Game number(s):

Game 3668314




Comments:

I happened upon this speed game while looking for potential games and definitely interrupted Mr. Hardy in the process of pm'ing William Wallace to ask him to intentionally deadbeat a game so he wouldn't lose his precious points. William Wallace ended up winning the game, but only after I spoke up in chat. If you notice, he had missed one round already and was in the process of deadbeating when I interjected. If you look at the chat, William also responds to Jeff's apparent PM in the game chat by saying he doesnt wnat to deadbeat another game. If you can gain access to Jeff Hardy's pm's, you likely will find him requesting William to deadbeat. This is bad for the game, compromises the scoreboard, and should be stopped. If you are going to play low ranked people, you run the risk of losing a ton of points....don't whine, cry, and manipulate the system when it happens...thats just not cool.

A disgrace to the German- speaking community!

As a note, the admin do not access people's inboxes or PMs. That being said, is it possible for you to provide a screenshot of the PM or to have the PM recipient to provide a screenshot?

Its a 2 player game (no 3rd party involved) what does it matter if the lower ranked player decided to throw a game? If I wanted to, I could join a bunch of games and lose them all on purpose, its my right as a member. I can see if it was a 3+ player game, and one of the players intentionally threw it to give the other a win, but in a 2 player game, one wins, one loses, I'm not sure why you are all pissed about it?

btown80 wrote:Its a 2 player game (no 3rd party involved) what does it matter if the lower ranked player decided to throw a game? If I wanted to, I could join a bunch of games and lose them all on purpose, its my right as a member. I can see if it was a 3+ player game, and one of the players intentionally threw it to give the other a win, but in a 2 player game, one wins, one loses, I'm not sure why you are all pissed about it?

Highlighted area: It is accually against the rules.

Unwritten Rules

Obviously any gross abuse of the game is forbidden. This includes but is not limited to: throwing games or deliberately benefiting from thrown games, intentional deadbeating, serial teammate killing, hijacking accounts.

Id be happy to post a screenshot of William's PM to me, but am not sure how.....can anyone explain to me the easiest way to post a screenshot here?

General Mojo wrote:Id be happy to post a screenshot of William's PM to me, but am not sure how.....can anyone explain to me the easiest way to post a screenshot here?

Open the PM.

Press "Print Screen" on your keyboard.

Open Paint

Press Ctrl + v (or just right click and press Paste)

Save the Picture

Upload to imageshack (or others like it)

Post on the forum with a [BigImg]picurelinkhere[/BigImg] code.

He did not throw the game so I am not sure what the problem is!

Is it against the rules to ask someone to throw a game? I doubt it

demonfork wrote:He did not throw the game so I am not sure what the problem is!

Is it against the rules to ask someone to throw a game? I doubt it

Here is the largest issue:

2008-11-15 18:10:07 - Willam-Wallace: haha
2008-11-15 18:12:31 - Willam-Wallace: sorry dude i already throw one game so no

He said that he already threw one a game to Jeff suggesting that, not only was Jeff asking him to throw the game which they were currently playing, but other games in the past.

Jeff was farming (no matter what it was he claimed to be doing) and he should have accepted the loss instead of attempting to cheat. It was against the rules.

maxatstuy wrote:

demonfork wrote:He did not throw the game so I am not sure what the problem is!

Is it against the rules to ask someone to throw a game? I doubt it

Here is the largest issue:

2008-11-15 18:10:07 - Willam-Wallace: haha
2008-11-15 18:12:31 - Willam-Wallace: sorry dude i already throw one game so no

He said that he already threw one a game to Jeff suggesting that, not only was Jeff asking him to throw the game which they were currently playing, but other games in the past.

Jeff was farming (no matter what it was he claimed to be doing) and he should have accepted the loss instead of attempting to cheat. It was against the rules.

So because william-wallace said that he threw a game, means that he threw a game?!!

Peeps can say anything in chat, does not make it true!

General Mojo wrote:Accused:

Jeff Hardy



The accused are suspected of:

Conducting Secret Diplomacy
Severe PM Abuse



Game number(s):

Game 3668314




Comments:

I happened upon this speed game while looking for potential games and definitely interrupted Mr. Hardy in the process of pm'ing William Wallace to ask him to intentionally deadbeat a game so he wouldn't lose his precious points. William Wallace ended up winning the game, but only after I spoke up in chat. If you notice, he had missed one round already and was in the process of deadbeating when I interjected. If you look at the chat, William also responds to Jeff's apparent PM in the game chat by saying he doesnt wnat to deadbeat another game. If you can gain access to Jeff Hardy's pm's, you likely will find him requesting William to deadbeat. This is bad for the game, compromises the scoreboard, and should be stopped. If you are going to play low ranked people, you run the risk of losing a ton of points....don't whine, cry, and manipulate the system when it happens...thats just not cool.

I want to further add that there is no proof that Jeff pm'd William asking him to throw the game, this is complete speculation on the part of General Mojo and therefore a bullshit accusation!

General Mojo is completely reading his own theory into what William meant by "already throwing another game"

Just because William said that does not mean that Jeff asked him to throw a game or that he threw an earlier game to Jeff, the "other" game that William supposedly threw could have been against someone other than Jeff!

What this report should be is if Jeff Hardy is negotiating games with other players. What we need is proof or evidence that people are throwing games for each other. People can say anything in the game chat. This can only indicate something but not really something solid for a case to build on.

Look, I'm not making false accusations about anyone. I saw something obviously shady going down, and reported it. I figured CC would have a way to verify whether they were PMing to each other about throwing the game. Below is a link to the PM that William Wallace sent to me regarding the incident. You don't want to do anything about this kind of stuff going on, then fine...I just think its bad for the site.



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General Mojo wrote:

Fixed it for you Mojo.

I'm staying neutral on this matter, just so everyone knows

Willam-Wallace wrote:he did pm me and tolled me to do it but dont tell him i told you

Still cleared?

Is this really closed? No ramifications for either player whatsoever?

That would still be not enough. How about the actual pm coming from Jeff Hardy?

Haha....sure, Ill just go ahead and PM him and ask him for it


I've seen people busted with way less evidence than this.....the Scott/Bruce ban comes to mind for starters.....

Game 3515092

seems obvious in this game also..

Tisha wrote:Game 3515092

seems obvious in this game also..

Once again this chat log proves nothing!

demonfork wrote:

Tisha wrote:Game 3515092

seems obvious in this game also..

Once again this chat log proves nothing!

correct.

Soo basically they can even boast about it in chat? yet not get busted... hmmm odd system... PM's chat logs, what next? Jeff saying it happened and cleared?

So far, what statements do we have? And who is it coming from? If there was or were pm's where is it?

king achilles wrote:

demonfork wrote:

Tisha wrote:Game 3515092

seems obvious in this game also..

Once again this chat log proves nothing!

correct.

how can the log mean nothing?
William-Wallace had 18 regions and a bonus at one time in the game, while Jeff Hard only received 4 men
and the game just amazingly turns around after a couple comments

William-Wallace even cashed for 10 men and attacks a neutral
while Jeff Hardy holds Ireland and New England

but chat and game log mean nothing.. they aren't even worth looking into...

king achilles wrote:So far, what statements do we have? And who is it coming from? If there was or were pm's where is it?

i can think of a case that applies to that resulted in a block..