Conquer Club

Accused:

HardAttack
General Bowlan




The accused are suspected of:


Conducting Secret Diplomacy




Game number(s):

3533396




Comments: Obvious secret diplomancy. During a individual speed game on New World tactics that were deployed were very suspicious. Not attacking each other when bordering, large armies moving in syncronisation and abuse when questioned. Not played in the spirit of the game.

Please take necesary action fellows who are responsible.....
Please go and inspect if there is any from which i am accused....
If not, i will ask an apologise from the one who is accusing me....

feel free to check my mails, post messages anything available....

I will not offer an apology after the taunts i received before entering this complaint. Anyone who reads the chat in the game received from Hardattack will understand. The discussion from early on between these two and gameplay was even enough for the forth player to question their tactics. I would suggest to anyone reading this to place hardattack on ignore lists.

Eaglesagent wrote:I will not offer an apology after the taunts i received before entering this complaint. Anyone who reads the chat in the game received from Hardattack will understand. The discussion from early on between these two and gameplay was even enough for the forth player to question their tactics. I would suggest to anyone reading this to place hardattack on ignore lists.

whoever wishes to ignore me, foe me, whatever to do me, feel free you all folks....
are you treatening me elegasegante ? or whatever your name is...
why changing the point now ?
have you gone a new point on your claim ? now believing i am clean or what ?
go man, dont change it...why, what happened ? why changed your mind ?
then why are you opening and dirtying ppl's name if you are not sure ....
huh ?
you are such a cheap one.... yes, i m this...many may like me, may not like me....whoever does not like me may frreely reject me playing....
and believe me this is not the biggest deal i have in my life...
your apology has no mean in my side any more...you are not a friend of worth, you are not a worth at all....i m lucky on that i got what you are in just only 1 game...
yes, all ppl in CC, even all ppl in the world, lets include the extraterrestrials as well...everyone, go and read the chattt...go and read then understand and get whatever you want to get...i dont want to name and force what i believe here so i dont name it, but you all will name it in your minds.....
so elesagenta you crashed to a strong stone this time....i am clean as much as the milk you drink, and i m not cheap to give it up about this dirty you put on my name....

No i am not changing my mind. I didn't post anything of the sort.
Learn to read and understand english. Learn to write english. Learn to play in the spirit of the game. Learn some manners. Learn to show others some respect and just maybe you will earn some yourself.

Eaglesagent wrote:No i am not changing my mind. I didn't post anything of the sort.
Learn to read and understand english. Learn to write english. Learn to play in the spirit of the game. Learn some manners. Learn to show others some respect and just maybe you will earn some yourself.

and this is the final most amazing one...still changing the subject...dont please dont get far from main issue we are on...i m a TURK and my native language is turkish...so, it s nice to me i can speak and talk english even this a bit....
i dont want to learn or need more....come you try to learn turkish huh ?


you are talking about respect ? are you ? you have idea about the word respect ? huh ? i am idiot(your words) ,but i am not, i am cheater(your words) ,but i am not, and you fucked my day (you dont have right on this)...do you think you have respect on me ? so what kinda respect understandging do you have...a new description ? describe me please, i m curious to know this new concept please...

Ok i don't have any idea what you are talking about here. This will be my final post on this matter as i don't have any more time to waste on you.

I am not changing the subject. Let me be clear. YOU ARE A CHEAT. Does that help you? Can i make it any clearer for you. The purpose of this thread is for the administrators to bust you because you CHEAT. Then everyone on the site will know not to play against you because you CHEAT. You damage this site and its integrity because you CHEAT.

Would the administraors please make a judgement and close this thread. Thank you.

Eaglesagent wrote:No i am not changing my mind. I didn't post anything of the sort.
Learn to read and understand english. Learn to write english. Learn to play in the spirit of the game. Learn some manners. Learn to show others some respect and just maybe you will earn some yourself.

Do you deem it respectful to mock someone's skill at a second language?

Instead of shouting "Obvious secret diplomacy", could you elaborate a bit? I don't see anything remotely resembling secret diplomacy in the game log or game chat, so it isn't that obvious.

Eaglesagent wrote:Ok i don't have any idea what you are talking about here. This will be my final post on this matter as i don't have any more time to waste on you.

I am not changing the subject. Let me be clear. YOU ARE A CHEAT. Does that help you? Can i make it any clearer for you. The purpose of this thread is for the administrators to bust you because you CHEAT. Then everyone on the site will know not to play against you because you CHEAT. You damage this site and its integrity because you CHEAT.

Would the administraors please make a judgement and close this thread. Thank you.

I am not as certain as you about this post will be my last one or not...
First of all, why using capitals and bolds ? it is against forum rules...do you think ppl who are reading are blind or what ?
You can not waste time with me, you can have time with me if you are one that much lucky...Then it is the moment you lost your chance from now on...You will not have any more time with me...You are as worthy as this, you bullshitted, it is very obvious, and you are far from being wise and mature to say pardon me friend...You spitted out on the floor, then you are someone very big headed dont knee down and clean your spit from the floor...What most important is that you are a liar.... (this is important but i dont use capitals or bold here when i stress something to be most important, you should do same....simply learn how...) You man, you are lying and unfortunately there is nothing you lose on your this big lie....I d have liked to ask amends, i wud have liked to ask your bann from this site...But probably this doesnt happen...we all will unfortunately learn to live together with nice birds and but with rats as well....

It does look kind of suspicious. I didnt look at where they were exactly on the map, but, blue never attacked yellow. Yellow only started attacking blue in round 12. When blue and yellow were the final too, blue deadbeated out. Quick glance makes it look kind of shady. They were calling each other "bro" too.

First of all, I must frown upon the insults to someone who is still learning the intricacies of our language .
Second of all, I know Hardattack extremely well, and know that he would never form a secret alliance. Regardless of how shady it looks, there must be a perfectly reasonable explanation. It is possible that Hardattack considered it part of his strategy to not attack blue at all. The rules only state that forming a secret alliance is prohibited, but people's strategies can differ anywhere from putting all of their armies on one territory and not attacking for the entire game, to targeting green because it's their least favorite color. I am confident that Hardattack did NOT have a secret alliance, and never will,
---C

ratdig04 wrote:It does look kind of suspicious. I didnt look at where they were exactly on the map, but, blue never attacked yellow. Yellow only started attacking blue in round 12. When blue and yellow were the final too, blue deadbeated out. Quick glance makes it look kind of shady. They were calling each other "bro" too.

this seems like gonna last long...
ok here it is...
i know general bowlan from a couple of my games...me and him are friends and i call him as bro...dont you call anybody as bro ? or didnt you played with someone you know and someone who is your friend ? so what is wrong with this ? and we have had a lot of games with bowlan, please go and inspect them as well, if there are anf form of cheats on those as well....funny
yes general bowlan is one of my dear friends....i m proud of having such nice friends around CC..
blue didnt attack on yellow, that is because blue was keeping borders in the very deep north...INUT + France...
i dont know where yellow exactly was but, he was in two of those three (namely portuguesa, holland, mapucha) he must have started there as far as i understand from game log.....so how wud you expect me to attack from nnorth pole to south pole ?
the second point, i even didnt attack till likely round 7 or 8...i stayed in my lands for a long time...
another point, i stacked my almost whole army, i fortified all given in turns in INUT 2...when there over 50 guys collected, i decidedd to go to south to the commance, i saw red there weak then attacked to him....what should i do ? ohh no pass him, becasue i know bowlan, i must attack to bowlan...if it was bowlan in commance i wud have attacked him for sure....(btw this moment is the moment i got which players are where....and i think it is round 7)....
On the other hand, red and green gone fighting in very early, they shouldnt have in such a game, obviously it causes they lose men and strategically others uses their this weakness...what can i do in this moment ? should i say stop, dont fight, i m gonna come and kill ur units, stay put there ? what a kind of freak is it ? they prefered their way, fought very bloody way...of course i waited...then attacked in round 7 and conquered commance homeland...it might be red, green or yellow doesnt matter to me, i didnt know till i came out from inut who were in commance, saw it s red, then saw he was with 15 units, and where i was with 50, then what wud you do ?
after i took homeland, i took some commance lands as well, then stopped....
here then green asked to red if he needed help !!!! you can find this in chat log...i didnt say a word on this but it is not sweet all we know.... it must be me who is asking and complaining about secret or obvious diplomacy or whatever....
anyways, then red answered it wud be good, added 'do whetever you feel it nice to be' .... then after, green brought 38 men in front of commanche homaland..at the moment i had 22 or something like that man in commance homeland.... i told him not to before his bringing whole those men...i told him not to f*ck with me or all those men wud die...he didnt listen, kept them bringing on...i was not bluffing, then i put my +14 turn bonus on my 20 men in commanche 20 like men, totally it is 35 or something, i attacked on his 38 men...i took whole of those 38 men of him...(this moment is important....) (btw for sure i had my reserves totaally 50 more men distributed in INUT homeland france landing port + france home, then it is not suicide for sure...i m against suicides anyways)

after my attack on him, he wrote this in the game log....wow crap dice you took my 38 with your 30. (something like that, you may read it....)
general bowlan (my very sweet friend) he is a player like all of us, and he is making career in feudal and new world maps..he likes those maps i think...me too..why i am telling this that, he is not someone to miss such clues (those take place on game chat) on giving desicions to attack or to stay....then probably he figured everything out, what there s going on...then he attacked the green in his turn...(i think, i say i think, but not sure of course, bowlan knew red + green were weak and then green wrote that(his losing 38 men) in game chat, he shouldnt have...then bowlan knew there took a fight between me and green and 30 like men from both sides are gone, death...this is not my but green's fault..and explains everything why bowlan attacked right after my attacking on green....)at this moment the green (the one who opens this thread) started to piss off.... he started to accusing bowlan and me to conduct secret diplomacy...and he treatened me to open a abuse and cheating forum about this...i know what i am doing, i m not cheating then this very suddenly lead my blood to go hot...Btw i m, my nature, i m very hot tempered one, can go hot very very immediate especially when i see something absurd, something unfair and something about lie...
then i left the game, i rejected playing with green...i simply deadbeat...and the time i took this desicion is the time i was the most powerful one on the map....yellow was also powerful like me...it is not my fault, i didnt say to green or red to go to fight in very early...or they didnt ask me if they should go to fight that early...if you go a war in that early you will get weak...then why are you crying ? this is damn basic rules in both feudal and new world maps....
i think i made something a bit clear about the game...then your questions maybe wud find some answers here....
i didnt continue the game, i quitted cos i m gone mad when i heard these from greenn...i gone real mad and sad....why everybody is coming on me when i m the one certainly clean and not guilty...what is the problem with you guys ? go and write some words on and about that liar...why are you awarding liars... ?

blue never attacking yellow in a 13 round game certainly makes it look like they have a secret alliance

especially because they were the last 2 in the game

to me, it also looks like blue and yellow knew where each other were because they stayed away from each other

cpurcell wrote:It is possible that Hardattack considered it part of his strategy to not attack blue at all.

Game 3533396 - hardattack was blue...

Jeff Hardy wrote:blue never attacking yellow in a 13 round game certainly makes it look like they have a secret alliance

especially because they were the last 2 in the game

to me, it also looks like blue and yellow knew where each other were because they stayed away from each other

cpurcell wrote:It is possible that Hardattack considered it part of his strategy to not attack blue at all.

Game 3533396 - hardattack was blue...

i think i tried to explain everything about the game...here anyone can see it in that long summary i put in this topiiccc...
so believe on whatever you like to believe....if you believe so jeff, sadly please foe me....
not offense certainly, no no offense jeff, i know you a bit, not much, be sure no offense...
but simple, if you believe i m gone in secret diplomacy or something, just foe me please...

to be more, i dunno if you play feudals + new world maps, but game log gives a lot necesary informations about who is probably where.....
in the very early stages of the games, native homelands recieves just 4 + 1-2-3 depending on how many native lands they have...but the european lands have +4, and in most case they take landing ports in turn 1, the game logg writes as this +4 added to and +3 added to. etc....
something similar we have in feudal map as well...you can guess with a high presicion who is where just from game log...most players leaves fingerprints from their moves they make before having additional bonuses whatever....

though I haven't looked at the game thoroughly, I"m going to say that hardattack wouldn't cheat. In all the games I've played personally, there are some games where two people will just not attack each other. I've done it, and so have others,sometimes there will be no words said in the game chat at all, but they don't attack. so I"m going to give the benefit of the doubt to hardattack and say that this is one of those games where suspicious actions don't really mean anything.

I looks to me from the game chat that Red and Green were attacking each other and Blue and Yellow were building foundations. Red and green then agreed to an alliance to attack Blue and Yellow.

Green now claims alliance? Seems to me that its common sense. If I were either Yellow or Blue and Green and Red declared that they were going to ally against me it would be in my best interest to attack Green and Red then ignoring the 4th player until those two were out. Otherwise I'd be wiped out.

barterer2002 wrote:I looks to me from the game chat that Red and Green were attacking each other and Blue and Yellow were building foundations. Red and green then agreed to an alliance to attack Blue and Yellow.

Green now claims alliance? Seems to me that its common sense. If I were either Yellow or Blue and Green and Red declared that they were going to ally against me it would be in my best interest to attack Green and Red then ignoring the 4th player until those two were out. Otherwise I'd be wiped out.

Exactly, well said
---C

I see no evidence for a secret alliance whatsoever, rather than one piece that can't be ignored: HardAttack deadbeat, when we was online and talking in chat the entire time, and had more or equal troops to General Bowlan on the board.

If they did have a secret alliance, then that would be the only safe way for General Bowlan to win the game without HardAttack winning instead. I find it rather convincing that someone decides to deatbeat a game at the very end, but stay online during the entire time chatting. Seeing as there is always the chance of dice, and the armies left on the board were not exactly small...

So I would like to hear your explanation as to why you sat in the game and let your turn % go down, when you had more men than him on the board at the time you started missing your turns. Had you decided to click begin turn, you would have ended with a larger army: This I got from the log, seeing as General Bowlan earned well over 70 men from the moment HardAttack started missing turns.

I think his missing turns was more out of principle than out of a secret alliance, if you read the game chat

Hi

I was the red player in this game. Me and green had an intensive fight in north while Blue and yellow were reeinforcing . It was a good strategy for them. What surprised me a little bit was that even after me and green exchanged homeland and were doing some kind of truce (i sayd to green we need a break at some point because we were very weak at this point) . They were still attacking neutral player with no attack between them neither us.


My impression was that both of them were in south americas... If it is true that Hard Attack was in north america, that explain well why they do not attack each other. And why yellow was attacking a lot of neutral player : he was alone in south america...

What would be a proof of secret diplomacy anyway... I am curious do we have case in CC ?

cheating? the chat did nnot show any sign of cheating full stop.

looks like yellow won it fair and square.

malabrosse wrote:Hi

I was the red player in this game. Me and green had an intensive fight in north while Blue and yellow were reeinforcing . It was a good strategy for them. What surprised me a little bit was that even after me and green exchanged homeland and were doing some kind of truce (i sayd to green we need a break at some point because we were very weak at this point) . They were still attacking neutral player with no attack between them neither us.


My impression was that both of them were in south americas... If it is true that Hard Attack was in north america, that explain well why they do not attack each other. And why yellow was attacking a lot of neutral player : he was alone in south america...

What would be a proof of secret diplomacy anyway... I am curious do we have case in CC ?

........

We need more than one game to warrant a block. I also find it curious as to why would HardAttack appear to intentionally miss his turns while he was still able to participate in the game chat. This is noted for reference.

Wow, I didn't even know this whole forum was going on!
Kinda like Salem Witch Hunt? So no one asks my side of
things? Well here it is anyway:
I started with Holland and Portugal and so I attacked at the bottom of the map, obviously.
FOG OF WAR GAME. So I start moving northward, obviously. What did I do?
This guy Eaglesagent is off the wall. Making accusations so easily and falsely.
Than Mr Eaglesagent proves what a rude bore he is by attacking the English of someone
who is from Turkey. Hey buddy how well do you speak Turkish?
You have certainly proven your low and common character. Luck was againist and you
are just a Sore Loser and Bad Sport.

Sincerely,
Greg 'General' Bowlan