Conquer Club

Accused:

Deliaselene
laddida



The accused are suspected of:


Other: laddida taking turns for deliaselene out side of the rules



Game number(s):

Game 3121651
Game 3125002
Game 3125003
Game 3112040

and others



Comments:
Game 3121651
2008-09-02 17:34:25 - LORD_HAM attacked Ontario from Greenland and conquered it from laddida
2008-09-02 18:07:41 - LORD_HAM ran out of time
2008-09-03 14:39:59 - deliaselene receives 3 armies for 6 territories
she/he then takes the game turn
in chat: 2008-09-03 14:41:26 - deliaselene: laddida for delia

Delia posts in the forum during the time she has to take her turn. She also takes turns in other games, why don’t she take her turn in this game?.

Game 3125002
2008-09-03 00:45:22 - Zphinx attacked Dyfed from Powys and conquered it from deliaselene
2008-09-03 00:46:17 - Zphinx fortified London with 1 armies from Sussex
2008-09-03 14:55:37 - deliaselene receives 3 armies for 5 territories
Chat shows: 2008-09-03 14:56:31 - deliaselene: laddida for delia

During this time Deliaselene posts in forum twice in flame wars
Why don’t she take her turn in this game?

Game 3125003
2008-09-02 18:22:22 - KiloJKilo attacked Plateau from Rosemont and conquered it from deliaselene
2008-09-03 14:43:24 - deliaselene receives 3 armies for 7 territories
Chat shows: 2008-09-03 14:44:44 - deliaselene: laddida for delia

During this time Deliaselene posts in forum, she also plays moves in other games, why don’t she take her turn in this game?

Game number 3112040
2008-09-07 18:41:43 - ddgrimes attacked Virginia from Maryland and conquered it from deliaselene
2008-09-08 17:54:49 - deliaselene receives 3 armies for 5 territories

in chat: 2008-09-08 17:56:34 - deliaselene: laddida for delia

but in 3199573:

2008-09-07 20:34:35 - Incrementing game to round 2
2008-09-08 18:24:19 - deliaselene receives 4 armies for 13 territories
2008-09-08 18:24:54 - deliaselene deployed 2 armies on Oregon
2008-09-08 18:25:02 - deliaselene deployed 2 armies on Nevada
2008-09-08 18:25:08 - deliaselene attacked Arizona from Nevada and conquered it from oakleyshole
2008-09-08 18:26:08 - deliaselene attacked Texas from Arkansas and conquered it from oakleyshole
2008-09-08 18:27:10 - deliaselene fortified Oregon with 2 armies from Nevada
2008-09-08 18:27:33 - deliaselene gets a card

Nothing in chat

At the same time, in 3112045

2008-09-07 17:31:07 - Larsbjorn fortified Cork with 2 armies from Dyfed
2008-09-08 09:56:53 - deliaselene receives 2 armies for holding Land's End
2008-09-08 09:56:53 - deliaselene receives 3 armies for 9 territories
2008-09-08 09:57:01 - deliaselene deployed 5 armies on Galloway
2008-09-08 09:57:36 - deliaselene fortified Hampshire with 2 armies from Essex

and in 3122032 she takes turn. And laddida has taken a turn for deliaselene not long before

2008-09-07 17:50:14 - krou fortified Alaska with 2 armies from Ontario
2008-09-08 16:04:06 - deliaselene receives 3 armies for 5 territories
2008-09-08 16:04:19 - deliaselene deployed 3 armies on Southern Europe
2008-09-08 16:04:34 - deliaselene attacked Western Europe from Southern Europe and conquered it from Jericho Slayer
2008-09-08 16:05:06 - deliaselene attacked North Africa from Southern Europe and conquered it from Jericho Slayer
2008-09-08 16:05:20 - deliaselene attacked Brazil from North Africa and conquered it from LaNem

In chat

2008-09-03 14:59:39 - deliaselene: laddida for delia.

In 3066807

2008-09-07 18:23:58 - Mike Doherty attacked Ontario from Alberta and conquered it from Seulessliathan
2008-09-08 17:54:12 - deliaselene receives 3 armies for 4 territories
2008-09-08 17:54:21 - deliaselene deployed 3 armies on Brazil

In chat: 2008-09-08 17:54:28 - deliaselene: laddida for delia

The rules say that a team mate should only take a turn if their partner could be running out of time don’t they. But it looks like laddida just turns up wenever ds decides she doesn’t want to turn, or when it looks hard to work out what to do.

Could you link us to some of the posts she supposedly made while laddida was taking her turns?

weren't they on the same team in each of those games? thats allowed I think. Delia took some turns for me when I was on vacation. Its called account sitting and it happens a lot, I think. I think emtec should just get over it.

And it never specifies that you aren't allowed to post during account sitting.

max is gr8 wrote:And it never specifies that you aren't allowed to post during account sitting.

Don't be silly, why wouldn't you take your own turns when you're posting on the forum? I'm confused.

it was a courtesy. "laddida for delia." in the game chat was laddida letting the other players know that he/she(?) was taking a turn for delia. laddida didn't even need to let the other players know, but did. it was all above board if you ask me.

black elk speaks wrote:it was a courtesy. "laddida for delia." in the game chat was laddida letting the other players know that he/she(?) was taking a turn for delia. laddida didn't even need to let the other players know, but did. it was all above board if you ask me.

Do you actually read other posts or do you just find yourself drifting in and out of consciousness?

what we need to see are the posts made by Delia which were timed around Laddi's announcements in gamechat.

Frop wrote:

black elk speaks wrote:it was a courtesy. "laddida for delia." in the game chat was laddida letting the other players know that he/she(?) was taking a turn for delia. laddida didn't even need to let the other players know, but did. it was all above board if you ask me.

Do you actually read other posts or do you just find yourself drifting in and out of consciousness?

Don't you think that she is innocent until proven guilty? and why the insulting tone! the posts in question, unless i am mistaken, are listed in the posted complaint. all that was ever said was "laddida for delia" by laddida from delia's account. Go back and read it. then apologize to me for being rude.

black elk speaks wrote:

Frop wrote:

black elk speaks wrote:it was a courtesy. "laddida for delia." in the game chat was laddida letting the other players know that he/she(?) was taking a turn for delia. laddida didn't even need to let the other players know, but did. it was all above board if you ask me.

Do you actually read other posts or do you just find yourself drifting in and out of consciousness?

Don't you think that she is innocent until proven guilty? and why the insulting tone! the posts in question, unless i am mistaken, are listed in the posted complaint. all that was ever said was "laddida for delia" by laddida from delia's account. Go back and read it. then apologize to me for being rude.

hehe.. right chaps, fun though this is - Frop was saying that you had not understood his post.



This Case can be very quickly put to rest by proving a consistent pattern of Delia forum attendance at the same time of Laddida playing as a babysitter.

This is not allowed; If someone can post consistently then they can play consistently!
1 or 2 contemporary posts may not be enough to prove a pattern of abuse. Sometimes people come back early and go straight to the forum before playing or instructing the babysitter to stop.

I have been in a situation where i went to play my game to find the start button being pressed in front of my eye.. that is what it is to have ones very own poltergeist!


So to move forward we need evidence of Deliaselenes paralleled forum posts and with babysat account please original poster.

Emtec just has it out for Delia...

Why is that?

black elk speaks wrote:weren't they on the same team in each of those games? thats allowed I think. Delia took some turns for me when I was on vacation. Its called account sitting and it happens a lot, I think. I think emtec should just get over it.

black elk speaks wrote:

Frop wrote:

black elk speaks wrote:it was a courtesy. "laddida for delia." in the game chat was laddida letting the other players know that he/she(?) was taking a turn for delia. laddida didn't even need to let the other players know, but did. it was all above board if you ask me.

Do you actually read other posts or do you just find yourself drifting in and out of consciousness?

Don't you think that she is innocent until proven guilty? and why the insulting tone! the posts in question, unless i am mistaken, are listed in the posted complaint. all that was ever said was "laddida for delia" by laddida from delia's account. Go back and read it. then apologize to me for being rude.

Who is being rude here Black ELk/The_Lion? It seems that you are the one escalating the acrimony here . . .

There can be account sitting abuse, especially when a person is available to take their turns and chooses not to . . .

jiminski wrote:

black elk speaks wrote:

Frop wrote:

black elk speaks wrote:it was a courtesy. "laddida for delia." in the game chat was laddida letting the other players know that he/she(?) was taking a turn for delia. laddida didn't even need to let the other players know, but did. it was all above board if you ask me.

Do you actually read other posts or do you just find yourself drifting in and out of consciousness?

Don't you think that she is innocent until proven guilty? and why the insulting tone! the posts in question, unless i am mistaken, are listed in the posted complaint. all that was ever said was "laddida for delia" by laddida from delia's account. Go back and read it. then apologize to me for being rude.

hehe.. right chaps, fun though this is - Frop was saying that you had not understood his post.



This Case can be very quickly put to rest by proving a consistent pattern of Delia forum attendance at the same time of Laddida playing as a babysitter.

This is not allowed; If someone can post consistently then they can play consistently!
1 or 2 contemporary posts may not be enough to prove a pattern of abuse. Sometimes people come back early and go straight to the forum before playing or instructing the babysitter to stop.

I have been in a situation where i went to play my game to find the start button being pressed in front of my eye.. that is what it is to have ones very own poltergeist!


So to move forward we need evidence of Deliaselenes paralleled forum posts and with babysat account please original poster.

I agree, I also think that emtec is confusing the terms of game chat and forum. I suggest this as he says forum, yet posts no references to the forums, only game chat.

Anyway, still waiting on that apology frop. this isn't flamewars.

Curmudgeonx wrote:

black elk speaks wrote:weren't they on the same team in each of those games? thats allowed I think. Delia took some turns for me when I was on vacation. Its called account sitting and it happens a lot, I think. I think emtec should just get over it.

black elk speaks wrote:

Frop wrote:

black elk speaks wrote:it was a courtesy. "laddida for delia." in the game chat was laddida letting the other players know that he/she(?) was taking a turn for delia. laddida didn't even need to let the other players know, but did. it was all above board if you ask me.

Do you actually read other posts or do you just find yourself drifting in and out of consciousness?

Don't you think that she is innocent until proven guilty? and why the insulting tone! the posts in question, unless i am mistaken, are listed in the posted complaint. all that was ever said was "laddida for delia" by laddida from delia's account. Go back and read it. then apologize to me for being rude.

Who is being rude here Black ELk/The_Lion? It seems that you are the one escalating the acrimony here . . .

There can be account sitting abuse, especially when a person is available to take their turns and chooses not to . . .

perhaps you could re-read the post where frop insults me by suggesting that I don't read and drift in and out of consciousness?

Anarkistsdream wrote:Emtec just has it out for Delia...

Why is that?

He created some thread earlier on about being on her foe list without ever having played her. He's definitely after her though and there's no end to his creativity.

black elk speaks wrote:Anyway, still waiting on that apology frop. this isn't flamewars.

I apologize for pointing out your shortcomings, I should have kept this on topic.

Frop wrote:

Anarkistsdream wrote:Emtec just has it out for Delia...

Why is that?

He created some thread earlier on about being on her foe list without ever having played her. He's definitely after her though and there's no end to his creativity.

black elk speaks wrote:Anyway, still waiting on that apology frop. this isn't flamewars.

I apologize for pointing out your shortcomings, I should have kept this on topic.

they weren't my shortcomings, but yours. i don't consider this an apology by the way. you were the one that said you were confused:

Frop wrote:Don't be silly, why wouldn't you take your own turns when you're posting on the forum? I'm confused.

you were confused on the fact that emtec was saying forum, but that he was offering game chat content as evidence. so, seeking to be insulting, you have offended me. I await your sincere apology.

GET 'EM, BLACK!!!!

Frop wrote:Could you link us to some of the posts she supposedly made while laddida was taking her turns?

Yes, here they are both from flame wars:
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=61362&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&hilit=apey&start=30

Re: apey
by deliaselene on Wed Sep 03, 2008 5:30 am

Prowler lay off apey for once....

Re: apey
by deliaselene on Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:04 am

wet dream trying to flame hulmey

Both these posts were made during Deliaselenes turn time in Game 3125002, yet laddida takes her turn. So does she post as shes sees fit while she gets others to take her turn?

Or perhaps it's simply Laddida posting on the wrong account on accident?

emtec wrote:The rules say that a team mate should only take a turn if their partner could be running out of time don’t they.

Or perhaps they were just browsing the forum a bit waiting for Delia to almost run out of time so people won't think they're doing something against the rules.

Stroop wrote:Or perhaps it's simply Laddida posting on the wrong account on accident?

emtec wrote:The rules say that a team mate should only take a turn if their partner could be running out of time don’t they.

Or perhaps they were just browsing the forum a bit waiting for Delia to almost run out of time so people won't think they're doing something against the rules.

I think its time for the accused to explain the actions. was del out of commission and ladd in the position of account sitting for del? did lad post in the forums while del was away? was there enough time between the game turns and the forum posts to consider that the accused simply had a moment when she thought that she wouldn't to check in and make a couple of arbitrary posts?

Hey guys, locked until further notice. Thanks.

EDIT: Unlocked, multis beware, busts are on their way. You know who you are.

del and lad are friends. so maybe he took some turns...
he posted in chat he did...

no big deal

This comes from a private with 40 games under the belt.
I think there is a multi allright but it's not delia and Lad.

there seems to be some confusion, but i do not believe that delia or ladida or even gimil for that matter are guilty of cheating. Babysitting , well he posted that he was taking her turns, thats what he is suppose to do, regardless of what she was doing, he clearly stated that he was taking her turns. there have been many times that a person cannot actually take a turn, be it tired, or page not loading, or grease monkey not working , etc. does that mean they are cheaters? no not at all.

clapper011 wrote:there seems to be some confusion, but i do not believe that delia or ladida or even gimil for that matter are guilty of cheating. Babysitting , well he posted that he was taking her turns, thats what he is suppose to do, regardless of what she was doing, he clearly stated that he was taking her turns. there have been many times that a person cannot actually take a turn, be it tired, or page not loading, or grease monkey not working , etc. does that mean they are cheaters? no not at all.

No confusion, delia already admitted she cant play, lol. I fully believe that laddida takes her turns.

"I must state that I babysit a account for phantomzero as does Max in Canada...

If I have too many games or I dont know the maps Max does the balance"

Thats from a previous thread where she edited that quote real fast when she realized how bad it looked


-tig