Conquer Club

Accused:

maxatstuy




The accused are suspected of:

Conducting Secret Diplomacy
Other: Accounting sitting Abuse



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Game 3059063 - Chat Note from maxatstuy

This game secret diplomacy was suspected between Elistuy and maxatstuy - The logs tell it all. Game and chat..
Game 1139206




Comments:

Maxatstuy has been account sitting abusing for a long time now. Here is how he does it. He asked you if you want to play a doubles game with him. Most of these are in the now past as you can see by the game numbers. (tbh I got tired of looking at games after awhile) He enjoys freestyle doubles where timing is everything and playing at the same time can be of a great advantage. After you agree one of the first things he will ask you for is your password. (I know this as he asked for mine and I declined.) He says he wants to have your password, just in case you are not around to play. Or in other words, if playing now gives you an advantage then he will play both accounts at the same time. In many of the game links there are comments in the chat or long periods of time in between moves, such as forts. A fort from Siam to India to Mid East could take as long as 45 secs or so. India would have been owned by one player and the other 2 by the other teammate. So in this time he would switch back and forth between accounts. In some of these games someone is playing for him and he is playing for his partner. Ugh Why is not playing for himself? Games such asGame 2458802 The point is this goes against the spirit of the game. He as openly admitted to myself and others he does this. This being playing games for others. He has played many games on the Elistuy account. Games in which his brother signed up to play and all of a sudden has no interest in playing, so max plays them for him instead of him deadbeating the game. It is one thing to take a random turn for a teammate if you see they are about to miss a turn. It is a whole other thing to take turns on a somewhat seemingly daily basis for others, just because they are not around for a few hours. The last game is a singles game where you can see from the game logs/ chat that secret diplomacy was conducted. Keep in mind this is flat rate and world 2.1 No way someone sweeps the board in a game like that without help.

Here are some PM quotes...

"If I am so bad at playing on conquerclub as one would perceive based on your comments that I need to prove myself (which would be the only possible reason I can imagine for wanting me to join those brigadier games) you should probably tell fanta to leave his account with someone else and to hand back the points I won him in his 4 player speed which I turned around and won for him, JCKing to return the points I won for him in his 3 player speed, paddy to change his password and ask someone else to play for him when he is away, phantom to change his password, free to change his, and my brother to have someone else win his 8 players for him"


"the comment about my brother I can explain quite simply, he left after the first turn and had me play for him...it didnt matter than much, at the time he was the same rank as me(What does rank have do to with anything of who plays?), I did play it though (after the first turn)" - These not speed games as Eli is a freeium

"he doesnt care much about conquerclub tbh. After he lost about 200 points and went down to (whatever double stripe is) he started joining games and whenever he didnt know what to do or didnt want to play anymore, he left and told me to finish it...henceforth a lot of his 8 players and a couple one on ones"

"not quite, Im saying he gave up, joined some games, then left (so i was obligated to play for him otherwise he would deadbeat out)

if you are confused at what I am referring to, look at the 8 player he played in with King_Herpes, I didnt want to play on that map and against my friend, so I refused to play and asked paddy to instead" - That was an interesting game indeed. He was the last to sign up, so obviously he wanted to play it. Max then dumps the game to Paddy The Cat, since Paddy knows the map better.

" not really, he could play if he moved his schedule around, but most of the time, he is actually busy doing other things"


Taken from live chat...

23:44:21 ‹maxatstuy› I have like 10 peoples pw
25/08/2008 23:44:23 ‹maxatstuy› seriously
25/08/2008 23:44:24 ‹maxatstuy› lol

23:45:05 ‹maxatstuy› i played for prank two days ago

25/08/2008 23:45:28 ‹maxatstuy› i babysit for about 4 people
25/08/2008 23:45:30 ‹Jeff Hardy› i play for people but they change there pw afterwards
25/08/2008 23:45:34 ‹maxatstuy› lol
25/08/2008 23:45:39 ‹maxatstuy› my people dont
25/08/2008 23:45:40 ‹xxtig12683xx› i avoid it though, and dont play speed for them usually
25/08/2008 23:45:50 ‹maxatstuy› i win for them
25/08/2008 23:45:54 ‹maxatstuy› it is a lot of fun
25/08/2008 23:45:55 ‹maxatstuy› lol
25/08/2008 23:46:03 ‹maxatstuy› i dont play much on my account


25/08/2008 23:46:07 ‹Jeff Hardy› why not win for yourself?
25/08/2008 23:46:23 ‹maxatstuy› because I lose a lot more if I lose
25/08/2008 23:46:27 ‹maxatstuy› than I would if I win
25/08/2008 23:46:42 ‹maxatstuy› hmm
25/08/2008 23:46:45 ‹maxatstuy› i am curious

23:46:54 ‹maxatstuy› I want to count how many pws I know

23:48:04 ‹maxatstuy› lol
25/08/2008 23:48:09 ‹maxatstuy› i have 10 pws on this computer
25/08/2008 23:48:16 ‹maxatstuy› going to check the other one now

23:50:07 ‹maxatstuy› and 2 more on the other computer
25/08/2008 23:50:09 ‹maxatstuy› lol
25/08/2008 23:50:12 ‹maxatstuy› so 12 in all
23:50:23 ‹maxatstuy› not counting the people that changed their pws
25/08/2008 23:50:24 ‹maxatstuy› lol

23:50:33 ‹Jeff Hardy› how many of them are your multis?
25/08/2008 23:50:42 ‹maxatstuy› hahaha
25/08/2008 23:50:52 ‹maxatstuy› only KingOfGods
25/08/2008 23:50:55 ‹maxatstuy› hahahaha
25/08/2008 23:51:19 ‹maxatstuy› if only
25/08/2008 23:51:23 ‹maxatstuy› that would be neat
25/08/2008 23:51:27 ‹Jeff Hardy› why?
25/08/2008 23:51:37 ‹maxatstuy› king is amazing
25/08/2008 23:51:40 ‹maxatstuy› hahaha

In closing this is what the account sitting abuse rules take care of right? If so this needs to be looked into with great lengths.

Edited to point a few key games out.

Wow-- nice research Bruce.

Maybe Elistuy is the account he plays on the other computer ?

Scott-Land wrote:Wow-- nice research Bruce.

Maybe Elistuy is the account he plays on the other computer ?

Possibly, but they would still come up as the same IP. Assuming both computers are in the same location. Which would be true according to that live chat take.

Bruceswar wrote:

Scott-Land wrote:Wow-- nice research Bruce.

Maybe Elistuy is the account he plays on the other computer ?

Possibly, but they would still come up as the same IP. Assuming both computers are in the same location. Which would be true according to that live chat take.

Yeah but I'm sure they [multi hunters] can tell the difference i.e log in times. Just have to wait and see.

Nice work-

Scott-Land wrote:

Bruceswar wrote:

Scott-Land wrote:Wow-- nice research Bruce.

Maybe Elistuy is the account he plays on the other computer ?

Possibly, but they would still come up as the same IP. Assuming both computers are in the same location. Which would be true according to that live chat take.

Yeah but I'm sure they [multi hunters] can tell the difference i.e log in times. Just have to wait and see.

Nice work-

That we shall. If you mutli hunters need more info they can PM as some of this info was a bit to personal to post on the forums.

I was a bit baffled by the PM I recieved from Maxatstuy recently but now I understand

This was what he wrote to me in response to being asked why he never played competitive games;

'' I Do.....just not from my account...LOL, I watch the accounts of 3 people regularly and finish up games for another 5....LOL ''

Still got the PM if anybody wants it, seems pretty damning to me in light of what else has been posted.

comic boy wrote:I was a bit baffled by the PM I recieved from Maxatstuy recently but now I understand

This was what he wrote to me in response to being asked why he never played competitive games;

'' I Do.....just not from my account...LOL, I watch the accounts of 3 people regularly and finish up games for another 5....LOL ''

Still got the PM if anybody wants it, seems pretty damning to me in light of what else has been posted.

The sad part is some of these players are well respected.

Edited to add post the PM if you wish.

this does not look good. but account sitting is ok right? when people are not avail..i see this in team games usually where a friend takes someone elses turn..the elistuy or whatever is his brother that still plays if that helps

300spartans wrote:this does not look good. but account sitting is ok right? when people are not avail..i see this in team games usually where a friend takes someone elses turn..the elistuy or whatever is his brother that still plays if that helps

Account sitting is fine, abusing the sitting is not good. That means taking moves almost every day for some players, just cause they are not around for a bit.

Game 3059063
2008-08-18 10:10:39 - elistuy: Hello and Good luck everyone
2008-08-18 10:18:39 - Everoth: hmmm im new at this....how can i use my cards?
2008-08-18 10:20:17 - maxatstuy: you cant unless you get three of the same color or of different colors
2008-08-18 10:20:49 - maxatstuy: yay elistuy...win one without my help this time

This particular chat leads me to believe however that elistuy and maxatstuy are not brothers, but multis. It seems like he inadvertently commented while logged in with the wrong account, realized his mistake after half a minute and tried to cover it up. The grammar and spelling are also very similar throughout a huge number of games.

Frop wrote:Game 3059063
2008-08-18 10:10:39 - elistuy: Hello and Good luck everyone
2008-08-18 10:18:39 - Everoth: hmmm im new at this....how can i use my cards?
2008-08-18 10:20:17 - maxatstuy: you cant unless you get three of the same color or of different colors
2008-08-18 10:20:49 - maxatstuy: yay elistuy...win one without my help this time

This particular chat leads me to believe however that elistuy and maxatstuy are not brothers, but multis. It seems like he inadvertently commented while logged in with the wrong account, realized his mistake after half a minute and tried to cover it up. The grammar and spelling are also very similar throughout a huge number of games.

I do not believe them to be multi's but rather brothers who use each others accounts. More like Max uses Eli's account. Other info not posted in this thread would keep the multi possibility down. Not saying they are not. But he does have a brother.

if I was doing anything wrong bruce, you would be the last person I would tell about it. I play for many people on conquerclub who cant play because they cant for what ever reason. My brother is the person who go to me to join conquerclub and I play for him whenever he is unavailable to play. there is nothing wrong with babysitting accounts, and I have no idea what you are talking about. I am just waiting for someone to post you on C&A for throwing games to scott...you seem to do it quite often, maybe you to have a secret alliance

Bruce your talking crap mate, I also babysit peoples accounts. You going to accuse me to?

maxatstuy wrote::lol:

if I was doing anything wrong bruce, you would be the last person I would tell about it. I play for many people on conquerclub who cant play because they cant for what ever reason. My brother is the person who go to me to join conquerclub and I play for him whenever he is unavailable to play. there is nothing wrong with babysitting accounts, and I have no idea what you are talking about. I am just waiting for someone to post you on C&A for throwing games to scott...you see to do it quite often, maybe you to have a secret alliance

Quite typical of you to retaliate by using my name- doesn't mean much because your reputation and word is worthless. Tbh- I didn't expect you to handle your cheat accusations much better tho'. Pretty typical way to divert the attention away from your actions- especially from someone like yourself.

lol- i really woulndnt have commented on this one if you hadnt brought that secrec alliance bullshit up, maxatstuy.
scott and secret alliance? lol. youre such a clown.

i dont know about the specifics of the moment when babysitting turns into abuse of babysitting, but playing 5-10 differenct accounts, being proud of owning others passwords and boasting about it-- can you say ADD?

LFAW wrote:Bruce your talking crap mate, I also babysit peoples accounts. You going to accuse me to?

Sure LF, if you're sitting the way Max does. Maybe you should actually go through some of the information Bruce has supplied before you start attacking him.

I have gone through the information Scott. Techincally what Max is doing is legal, I don't agree with the bragging but babysitting is no big deal. If he is not a multi then there is no reason for him to be accused of 'cheating'.

The term baby sitting abuse was designed to stop things like LFAW is playing Scott, LFAW knows Scotts p/w, LFAW wins by 'sitting' for Scott and doing shit moves.

So yes this is no babysitting abuse as he is gaining no points for the maxatstuy account nor is he creating new games.

Therefore no abuse = nothing to 'charge' him with.

LFAW

I must state that I regularly babysit a account for phantomzero in Canada... as does Max

also Max does have a brother...

I normally try my best to stay out of the forums, but I figured I'd respond to this one.

I travel a ton for work (120+ days a year), and when I'm unable to take my turns I'll have Deliaselene or Maxatstuy take my turns for me. It all depends on who's available and how long I'm gone. They have to take some of my turns perhaps a dozen times each month. This is certainly not abuse. I'll either email my sitters or log in quick from my phone and let them know how long I'll be unavailable for.

Without people on CC like Max, I'd be missing a ton of turns and delaying the games for many people. Thank you Max!

Signed,

Phantomzero...

lol...not only am I brothers with elistuy, but there are people on conquerclub who know us both personally. Ink for instance goes to our school...if you have any doubt, ask him

and I was not mentioning the amount of accounts I have the pw for to gloat, I was commenting on in order to reference where I play my majority of speed games (the ones that so many people like to say I dont play myself)...i do babysit for several accounts however. if anyone cares to remember, fantasianasian was away in europe for several weeks and someone had to play for him. JCKing had to be away for about a day and asked me to make sure time doesnt expire in any of his games, elistuy I check regularly because he is my brother and I try to make sure he doesnt lose all of his games to missed turns. There was a time when phantomzero had to be away for quite some time and needed his account to be watched as well. Paddy The Cat went away for a few days at one point as well (king and I split those games though so that neither of us had to play for a teammate or opponent.) 300spartans went away for one day and asked me to cover one game for him, prank asked me to finish one speed game where his computer was acting up and he had to leave, freeroll asked me to play when he went away for the weekend, aliakber at one point gave me his pw because he was having a lot of internet troubles, King gave me his pw as a precaution a while back after he almost missed a turn because of internet toubles, and I am sure there are many more people who I am forgetting.

if anyone would like to accuse me of being a multi with all of the people who I just mentioned, I would be very flattered.

if anyone is actually curious for why bruce decided to post it, his reasons had nothing to do with me cheating, as that would be unfactual and untrue, it was because I told him, insomnia, scott, and rashid off, after their posts on my thread (the one in flame wars)

LFAW wrote:I have gone through the information Scott. Techincally what Max is doing is legal, I don't agree with the bragging but babysitting is no big deal. If he is not a multi then there is no reason for him to be accused of 'cheating'.

The term baby sitting abuse was designed to stop things like LFAW is playing Scott, LFAW knows Scotts p/w, LFAW wins by 'sitting' for Scott and doing shit moves.

So yes this is no babysitting abuse as he is gaining no points for the maxatstuy account nor is he creating new games.

Therefore no abuse = nothing to 'charge' him with.

LFAW

You forgot that 'babysitting' an account to gain an advantage in freestyle team games is prohibited, especially if your teammate is able to take the turn later that day. I could list an infamous precedent, but I'm waiting for JR's comment.

Max has played taken turns for me more than once .Maybe a mole-hole is trying to be turned into a mountain.What with the bickering and fighting trying to drag him down.Seems like an alright person to me.Cheers and gl MAx

LFAW wrote:Bruce your talking crap mate, I also babysit peoples accounts. You going to accuse me to?

Bruce has damning evidence to support his case .Do you honestly think a little blip of a statement like this is enough to sway public opinion ?
Think again and maybe comeback with something a little more original .
Whose accounts are you sitting BTW .Did you by chance start any game with the absence of the account you were sitting ?

KOE...the games that they are referring to where I played on other peoples accounts, are referring to that 4 player I finished up for fantasianasian against you. I have never done anything that violated the rules, and the things you called "damning evidence" is what ever crap Bruce could find that he could use to get back at me for telling him off. He is a moron with no life who deosnt understand sarcasm and is to much of an idiot to probably ever figure it out. He actually believed my joke that king is my multi; this is coming after a long series of pms about a month ago where he was too much of an idiot to understand me joking then too.

I do not start games for the people who I account sit for, and as I told Lanyards when he asked me to play for him, I only play out of necessity...anyone that is actually listening what Bruce has to say should really comment on the flame wars post, because this is clearly Bruce's last attempt to get my attention

LFAW wrote:I have gone through the information Scott. Techincally what Max is doing is legal, I don't agree with the bragging but babysitting is no big deal. If he is not a multi then there is no reason for him to be accused of 'cheating'.

The term baby sitting abuse was designed to stop things like LFAW is playing Scott, LFAW knows Scotts p/w, LFAW wins by 'sitting' for Scott and doing shit moves.

So yes this is no babysitting abuse as he is gaining no points for the maxatstuy account nor is he creating new games.

Therefore no abuse = nothing to 'charge' him with.

LFAW

We all have account sat at one time or another if they're on vacation , work, have plans or whatever. It seems the situation with Max isn't about account sitting, it's about abusing it- it's about taking your partners turns when it's conventient. There's quite a big edge in casual freestyle team games if both partners are able to play at the same time. What Bruce is suggesting, and I believe also, is that Max is taking those turns for his doubles partners because they just aren't logged in at the time. There's also a complaint about a secret alliance LF.

phantomzero wrote:I normally try my best to stay out of the forums, but I figured I'd respond to this one.

I travel a ton for work (120+ days a year), and when I'm unable to take my turns I'll have Deliaselene or Maxatstuy take my turns for me. It all depends on who's available and how long I'm gone. They have to take some of my turns perhaps a dozen times each month. This is certainly not abuse. I'll either email my sitters or log in quick from my phone and let them know how long I'll be unavailable for.

Without people on CC like Max, I'd be missing a ton of turns and delaying the games for many people. Thank you Max!

Signed,

Phantomzero...

Understandable Phantom, I'm sure that's the original reason why they allow others to account sit. Don't think anyone is saying he abused the rules in your case.