Conquer Club

Accused:

muld00n
onkyo
Justinzane
shabazz777
TheLordOfChaos
adamoc
icicle71
Cartoon99

The accused are suspected of: Being multis

Game number(s): 90% of his games


Comments: I played a Canada map game with muld00n and onkyo a few weeks ago. Onkyo caught my attention because he was a very low ranked freemium player in a game with high ranked premium players. I took a quick look at his past games and I noticed that he had played the majority of his games with Muld00n who was also in our game. Needless to say, I smelled a rat. I decided to pull their chains a little and I PM'd Onkyo and asked him if he thought that muld00n was a cheater. Onkyo replied that he agreed with me that muld00n was a cheater. Needless to say, after that PM, I became Onkyo's target and he proceeded to kill my troops for no strategic rhyme or reason. I had every intention to report both of them after the game but I got distracted. That is, until today.

I was looking at my ratings and I noticed that they had gone down. When I took a closer look, I noticed that both muld00n and onkyo had left me very low ratings and additional comments. Keep in mind that I had never communicated with muld00n that I thought he was a multi. The only way for him to know was if onkyo had told him. In short, he had to be privy to my PM's with onkyo. Below are the ratings that they left me. You'll notice that they rated me one after the other. They both went ahead and made additional comments. Hmmm.............I wonder why they are so similar?




onkyo 4.6
2008-07-31 17:48:49 [find games]
Tags: Slow, Rude, Paranoid, Coward
[respond]


muld00n 4.6
2008-07-31 15:29:33 [find games]
Tags: Deadbeat, Rude, Coward, Sore Loser


At first, I was under the impression that onkyo was the only multi. However, once I started looking I realized that there were many more. Below is a list of all the multis that muld00n has created along with the amount of wins from each other.

Here are the facts:

muld00n and onkyo have completed 20 games together and muld00n has won 12, a 60% win rate.
muld00n and justinzane have completed 33 games together and muld00n has won 26, a 79% win rate.
muld00n and shabazz777 have completed 20 games together and muld00n has won 17, an 85% win rate.
muld00n and TheLordOfChaos have completed 38 games together and muld00n has won 30, a 79% win rate.
muld00n and adamoc have completed 6 games together and muld00n has won 6, a 100% win rate.
muld00n and icicle71 have completed 4 games together and muld00n has won 3, a 75% win rate
muld00n and Cartoon99 have completed 4 games together and muld00n has won 3, a 75% win rate

All of the accused are from Canada.

They all joined on or around the same time.

Muldoon has completed 244 games and won 127. Of those 127 wins; 97 of them were won with one or more of his multis. In short, this loser can't win a game unless he has help.

Muld00n has gained 1199 points from his multis.

They all take back to back turns. In freestyle games they don't overlap even though they could have. Regardless, there is never more than 3 minutes between their turn in EVERY game they play with each other.

I've seen a lot of cheaters since I've been a member of this site. However, I've never seen a player that has been so dependent on multis to win. Muld00n is a terrible player that must cheat to win. It must be humiliating for him to know that he can't win without help.

The evidence in this case is indisputable and overwhelming. The only reason that muld00n has made it so long without being caught is because he has so many multis. Unfortunately for him, the gig is up and it's time to pay up.

Muld00n is a cheater that deserves to be punished. It goes without saying that he needs to be stripped of premium and get a score reset. The humiliation of being exposed in this forum is not enough. All of his multis need to be erased and he needs to pay the price for steeling points from all of us.

I can't wait to read muld00n's explanation...

Go ahead and add owenator to the list. He and muld00n have played 38 games together and muld00n has won 29.

Good catch.

Hmm, im in a game with him and Onkyo. I'm sorry but it looks unlikely, Muldoon seems genuine enough.

haha-- i responded after he left me all ones... i responded with: poss multi. Nice catch--

Well done, cisco.

"Thanks for giving me such a shitty rating. Go ahead and thank onkyo too. Unfortunately, you were too stupid and arrogant to just let it go and you wanted to f*ck me over just a little bit more.

I had forgotten about you and onkyo being multis until I looked at the ratings that you both left me. As you can imagine, I was pissed off. I could not believe that a cheater like you would have the nerve to leave somebody a bad rating!!

After all, where do you get off judging other players when you are a fucking cheater!? Well, my friend, now you are going to get what's coming to you. Just don't forget that you are the one that caused this because you just had to f*ck with me a little bit more. Well, now it's my turn and I'm returning the favor.

Please take a look in the forum under the cheating and abuse section.

Now, you and all of your multis can go f*ck yourselves. Let's see if you have the guts to defend yourself you cheating piece of shit.

Cisco"


Hey Shitco, I know you'll be checking this so I thought I'd respond here. You might as well go through my entire rating list and call out everyong that game me a good rating. They're all multi's too. Grow up. You lost a game, as did I. You still owe me an apology.

muld00n, cisco isnt accusing because of the ratings people gave you
its the way you win games and steal points of other people!!!

Dear 'Cisco',

thank you for showing me how grown up you are. Even if I was cheating, which I'm not - it shows me that you sir, are a sore loser and have really nothing better to do but search forums, post your replies and accuse anyone based on what? Some kind of analysis of his stats just because he's played with the same people several times. 'Muld00n' is a friend of mine, you can go ahead and accuse me because it doesn't hurt my feelings, but continue to call him a cheat and I consider that a personal threat. So, stop your silly whining....put your penises back in your pants because this is a fight you don't want to get involved in. It's a game, you don't have anything to lose except a couple of points. So be a man and suck it up and stop crying about it.

Jeff Hardy wrote:muld00n, cisco isnt accusing because of the ratings people gave you
its the way you win games and steal points of other people!!!

Actually Jeff, he accused me at the start of a game because of my record and ranking, which wasn't all that and still isn't. I told him thanks for the compliment and challenged him to a game. He took offence to this and continued to send out email's calling me a cheat. Whatever floats his boat. I have friends on this site that I play with and co-workers. Do I have to explain the history of everyone I have ever played with or befriended?

Enjoy

muld00n wrote:"Thanks for giving me such a shitty rating. Go ahead and thank onkyo too. Unfortunately, you were too stupid and arrogant to just let it go and you wanted to f*ck me over just a little bit more.

I had forgotten about you and onkyo being multis until I looked at the ratings that you both left me. As you can imagine, I was pissed off. I could not believe that a cheater like you would have the nerve to leave somebody a bad rating!!

After all, where do you get off judging other players when you are a fucking cheater!? Well, my friend, now you are going to get what's coming to you. Just don't forget that you are the one that caused this because you just had to f*ck with me a little bit more. Well, now it's my turn and I'm returning the favor.

Please take a look in the forum under the cheating and abuse section.

Now, you and all of your multis can go f*ck yourselves. Let's see if you have the guts to defend yourself you cheating piece of shit.

Cisco"


Hey Shitco, I know you'll be checking this so I thought I'd respond here. You might as well go through my entire rating list and call out everyong that game me a good rating. They're all multi's too. Grow up. You lost a game, as did I. You still owe me an apology.

I know that you are not overly bright. So...I'll explain it to you again. I'm not accusing you because you and onkyo gave me bad ratings. Your bad ratings are what REMINDED me to accuse you.

Regardless, you are nothing but a damn cheater and you know it. Your ratings don't mean shit. As I mentioned in my thread, you've gotten away with cheating until now.

Why don't you start explaining the win percentages against the players from Canada that all joined the same day? I'm sure that it is purely coincidence that you have such a high winning percentage? After all, you would not have won one game without their help.

Actually Jeff, he accused me at the start of a game because of my record and ranking, which wasn't all that and still isn't. I told him thanks for the compliment and challenged him to a game. He took offence to this and continued to send out email's calling me a cheat. Whatever floats his boat. I have friends on this site that I play with and co-workers. Do I have to explain the history of everyone I have ever played with or befriended?

Enjoy[/quote]

How would you know that I had sent emails to other players?

Scott-Land wrote:haha-- i responded after he left me all ones... i responded with: poss multi. Nice catch--

This clown is another one who was weakened by my attack and then cried foul. He was openly orchestrating attacks in a speed game with his high ranking buddies. He yapped off to the wrong person and was weakened...and he cried all the way home.

I look forward to playing with Shitco and scottland in the near future.

cisco2001 wrote:Actually Jeff, he accused me at the start of a game because of my record and ranking, which wasn't all that and still isn't. I told him thanks for the compliment and challenged him to a game. He took offence to this and continued to send out email's calling me a cheat. Whatever floats his boat. I have friends on this site that I play with and co-workers. Do I have to explain the history of everyone I have ever played with or befriended?

Enjoy

How would you know that I had sent emails to other players?[/quote]


Why not highlight the line after and take a gander.

You must have some firends? Or a friend? If not, look it up.

And I found you! You can't run forever. The heads up offer is still on the table.

GL

Why don't you explain your extraordinarily high winning percentage against the players I mentioned in my original post? You and I both know that you are going down.

muld00n wrote:

cisco2001 wrote:Actually Jeff, he accused me at the start of a game because of my record and ranking, which wasn't all that and still isn't. I told him thanks for the compliment and challenged him to a game. He took offence to this and continued to send out email's calling me a cheat. Whatever floats his boat. I have friends on this site that I play with and co-workers. Do I have to explain the history of everyone I have ever played with or befriended?

Enjoy

How would you know that I had sent emails to other players?

Why not highlight the line after and take a gander.

You must have some firends? Or a friend? If not, look it up.

And I found you! You can't run forever. The heads up offer is still on the table.

GL

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Oh! I see! They are your friends. Well, in that case, I must be mistaken. Man, it must be great to have friends like yours? Do your friends always join the games that you are in? Maybe you can enlighten us?

i have been pming owenator and i doubt that he is a multi so you can take him off the list

1. he has premium and why would anyone have two premium accounts?

2. when i told him about this, his reply was

owenator wrote:what? What on earth are you talking about? I have no idea what "multi" is. And who are you to simply accuse me of such.

He's not the biggest suspect but we can't ignore the massive loss percentage w/ out an explanation. I agree about the premium which is why I was going to let it go. He plays a lot of games with Muld00n and has played with the multis. He and all of the multis joined on EXACTLY the same day. If he's innocent, then maybe he can explain what's going on.

Hey guys, no warnings or lock yet, but please take it down a notch or two. Thanks.

lancehoch wrote:Hey guys, no warnings or lock yet, but please take it down a notch or two. Thanks.

I apologize. I've provided facts and information on many cheaters without emotion. However, the arrogance of muld00n and his multis just pushed me over the edge.

Regardless, it's not appropriate to be so emotional. I'll stick to the facts and provide evidence from now on.

I'm sick and tired of your childish behavior cisco. You continually accuse everyone yet have not apologized once when you even decided to involve me by stating that I too was a cheater. And again, my point is if I were a cheater; a) why would I purchase a premium membership? b) why would I have the balls to actually put my real name in my user name itself? It means I have no fear of anybody or anything. This includes losing a game. You sir, are obviously a sore loser and cannot simply drop a subject. Why do you continually berate someone? Why do you continually point a finger? Like I said, you showed less class when you accused me wrongly. Which makes you about.....10 years old. Why else would you be so upset and then accuse someone else. Maybe, I should complain about you? Maybe it's YOU that's a cheater? Then what?!! It will go back and forth, back and forth. Be a man. Just drop it. And I've already had to explain the full story to Jeff Hardy as to why everyone joined the same day, I certainly don't think YOU deserve an explanation. If the moderator is watching this forum, I don't appreciate paying a membership and being harassed by someone in here. If anyone needs a warning, it's Cisco, and I certainly want an apology from him.

There have been many other players on this site that have had premium multis. This forum is designed to question players that have the appearance of inappropriate behavior. Last time I checked, nobody has been found guilty. All that has happened is that I noticed that you had lost a massive amount of games to muld00n and that you and the accused multis has all joined on the same date and that all or from Canada.

Lets revisit:

owenator and muld00n have completed 38 games together. Of those 38 games, muld00n has won 29, a 76% win rate.

owenator and the accused multis all joined CC the same day.

owenator and the accused multis are all from Canada.

ANYBODY would agree that this looks bad....


Now, I'm not Sherlock Holmes but this is pretty suspicious. There have been hundreds of players found guilty for less evidence. I'm sorry but a 76% loss rate against 1 player is over the top. Especially a player that has gained 90% of his points from the afore mentioned players. Furthermore, when you look at games that involve the multis and muld00n you can see how they facilitated his wins. Surely you can appreciate that 90% wins from the same players, including you, would be VERY suspicious.

That being said, you have been named in this thread because of the reasons that I stated above. Is it possible that you are innocent? Of course it's possible. Again, you have been accused and not found guilty. I have presented facts from information that I have gathered. You mentioned in your post that you don't think that I deserve an explanation. Frankly, your explanation is of no consequence to me but it will be to the moderators.

I'm sorry that you feel that I'm being childish for naming you in this thread. I don't know you, I have no idea who you are, I don't even remember playing a game with you. That being said, I have accused many players that have been busted for cheating. Was I childish for accusing them; or am I only childish for naming you?

You are assuming that this is a personal attack on you. Like I said, I don't have any history with you. Your name happens to be in the mix with muld00n and the bunch of other players that have been accused.

Again, the information that I have posted about muld00n, the freemium multis and you is exactly that, information. If, as you stated, you have nothing to fear then there is no reason to get so wound up. I have no ill will towards you nor am I a sore loser as you have never beaten me. I do find it interesting that you and muld00n, both, joined a game I set up very recently.

Again, no worries as you have nothing to hide. However, that's not really for me to decide.

owenator wrote:I'm sick and tired of your childish behavior cisco. You continually accuse everyone yet have not apologized once when you even decided to involve me by stating that I too was a cheater. And again, my point is if I were a cheater; a) why would I purchase a premium membership? b) why would I have the balls to actually put my real name in my user name itself? It means I have no fear of anybody or anything. This includes losing a game. You sir, are obviously a sore loser and cannot simply drop a subject. Why do you continually berate someone? Why do you continually point a finger? Like I said, you showed less class when you accused me wrongly. Which makes you about.....10 years old. Why else would you be so upset and then accuse someone else. Maybe, I should complain about you? Maybe it's YOU that's a cheater? Then what?!! It will go back and forth, back and forth. Be a man. Just drop it. And I've already had to explain the full story to Jeff Hardy as to why everyone joined the same day, I certainly don't think YOU deserve an explanation. If the moderator is watching this forum, I don't appreciate paying a membership and being harassed by someone in here. If anyone needs a warning, it's Cisco, and I certainly want an apology from him.

Maybe cisco doesnt deserve the explkanation but WE ALL WANT ONE so spit it out.
Im sur ethe hunters would lov eto hear WHY everyone joined on the same day.

Also, if you guys know each other, you probably played from the same computer and it is CC policy to inform the admin/mods of such actions, to avoid being banned for being a multi.
And, being friends and such im sure you guys talk about the games, perhaps make plans together of the next moves or who to attack, that would be collusion and it isnt tolerated.It is cheating.

Now, if you show me that you guys all announced on round 1 to let the other players know that you were all friends then maybe I will side more with you, for now, im with cisco all the way.
Until then, I would simply play TEAM games or start announcing friendship at the start of your games. Also warn the admins that you all know each other and do not plan on cheating.

Personally, I'd leave out owenator because both he and muld00n are premium.

Hi, just wanted to remind everyone that I, as a mod, have been watching this thread. Please remain on topic, that includes people presenting evidence both for and against the accused. If you are not presenting evidence, you will be receiving a PM from me asking you to stop posting in this thread. I hope we all can proceed amicably.