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Bit suspicious [Cleared]

PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:21 pm
by Lukeplastow
http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=3003056

Call me pedantic but I think its a bit suspicous a general playing 7 brand new recruits?

I say this as I am playing one of them in another game. Duck & cover in his first ever game and he is a bit too good for a new recruit.

Re: Bit suspicious

PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:24 pm
by Paddy The Cat
i think waterloo in those setting is like circus maximus... only new recruits join them based on a whole "ignorance is bliss" type deal or whatever...

Re: Bit suspicious

PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:28 pm
by Blitzaholic
worth an investigation, but in cheats or abuse perhaps

Re: Bit suspicious

PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 4:32 pm
by The Fuzzy Pengui
Yeah, it seems like it might be an accusation (or at least something you want looked at to see).

Sent this on over to Cheating & Abuse for ya, but if you want it looked at make sure you edit your post to follow their form :)

Re: Bit suspicious

PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 8:08 pm
by SlayerQC
There was a thread just like that, it was locked by a mod from another part of the site because, apparently, there wasnt any abuse made by this player even though he has over 20+ games such as this one with newbies that all have joined the site in a 3 day period about the same time.
Thats a lot of newbs.
A veteran even wrote on his wall that everytime he joined one of his games, that he would leave/cancel the game.

Re: Bit suspicious

PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 8:11 pm
by SlayerQC
Here;s the link to the thread before it was closed by a tournament mod:

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=58329

I suggest you edit the OP and fill the form as they want it and ask for some real answers.

Re: Bit suspicious

PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 11:36 pm
by King_Herpes
This goes for any other claim or accusation that has or will be placed against me. What I've been doing is completely legit and by no means violates the rules of this site. I will explain how it is that I get in these games. First I create 20 or more of the same board of my preference that I know will deter most players from joining. Second I drop almost any game that fills with ranked players. Thirdly I usually end up dropping 15 because people jump on. The remaining games stay on the waiting list long enough for it to be the oldest game started. When a new person joins Conquer Club they only get to choose from standard, terminator, or assassin games when they press join games. Since my game is the oldest and remains at the top of the list it fills up with new players that are eager to play risk.

It shouldn't be any surprise that most of the players deadbeat because they want to play real time plain and simple. And that's why speed games are only for premium members. That's the hook. So when they get bored of waiting for 24 hours they never come back to the site. And the people that join right under me at the beginning don't even get to see the game start before they go do something else on the internet.

I choose certain games that I know will be hard to comprehend for new players that are used to traditional risk. I used to choose Bamboo Jack because nobody likes it. Lately I've been choosing Waterloo for the most part because there is really no such thing as a bad drop, not to mention it's the most confusing map on the site.... as of yet.

I guarantee you that if you start 20 games of the same map and drop when ranks join, the last few will fill with question marks. Circus Maximus is another example of a lame map that people don't care for and KLOBBER know's that. Just like I know it. Game number 3024829 will most likely fill with question marks soon and thats not me. The oldest game on the list is guaranteed to fill with question marks. Try this go to Game Finder, then check: Waiting For Players. then Standard, Terminator and Assassin, then Public, then Casual and then press search. The games that are at the top of that list are most likely going to fill up with question marks. 90 percent of the time. Sometimes rank players sneak on when I'm not looking and thats fine. I just recently got into the bottom of KLOBBERs game to try to steal some points off him and his deadbeats. We had fun in chat.

I do lose some of these games to question marks. I doubt they are still question marks because of that reason. The odds of me losing on waterloo against noobs is extremely low. I know that board well. I imagine it would work the same way for any of you. The fact is that it doesn't matter which board you choose, if you create enough the last ones you made will fill with question marks. Have fun reading this novel, I love conquer club and this is in no way against the rules.

Re: Bit suspicious

PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 2:05 am
by cisco2001
Well, that answers all of the questions as far as I'm concerned. King is farming points and, as he mentioned, it's not against the rules. It may not be considered competitive or honorable but it's not violating any rules. At least, King is upfront and honest which is a lot more that can be said of the ever popular Farmer Klob.

Re: Bit suspicious [No Form]

PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 12:45 pm
by Lukeplastow
No you're right it doesnt make you a cheat. Makes you an asshole though.

Re: Bit suspicious [No Form]

PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 1:36 pm
by Frop
I feel physically uncomfortable now.

Re: Bit suspicious [No Form]

PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 5:33 am
by Kemmler
Lukeplastow wrote:No you're right it doesnt make you a cheat. Makes you an asshole though.


true.

how are points good when you haven't really earnt them?

klob, rabbit, torcav, herpes

they may be high ranked but they shouldn't have those pts

Re: Bit suspicious [No Form]

PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 8:26 am
by Bruceswar
Kemmler wrote:
Lukeplastow wrote:No you're right it doesnt make you a cheat. Makes you an asshole though.


true.

how are points good when you haven't really earnt them?

klob, rabbit, torcav, herpes

they may be high ranked but they shouldn't have those pts


Adding max as well?

Re: Bit suspicious [No Form]

PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 8:39 am
by Redfelt
A method of control would be to set up a trial/tutorial for noobs that only allows them to join classic game only for their first 4. To take it a step further perhaps restrict their play to lower ranks, say sgt and lower.

Still comes down to integrity - doing the right thing even when no one is watching.

Re: Bit suspicious [No Form]

PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 10:23 am
by Frop
Kemmler wrote:
Lukeplastow wrote:No you're right it doesnt make you a cheat. Makes you an asshole though.


true.

how are points good when you haven't really earnt them?

klob, rabbit, torcav, herpes

they may be high ranked but they shouldn't have those pts

That's hilarious coming from you. Should I list all the games you joined against new recruits, cooks and stripers?

Re: Bit suspicious [No Form]

PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 5:13 pm
by MrBenn
Redfelt wrote:A method of control would be to set up a trial/tutorial for noobs that only allows them to join classic game only for their first 4. To take it a step further perhaps restrict their play to lower ranks, say sgt and lower.

Still comes down to integrity - doing the right thing even when no one is watching.

That, in my opinion, is a good suggestion.

Re: Bit suspicious [No Form]

PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 5:15 pm
by lancehoch
Hey all. Please remain on topic or this will get scrapped, locked, and sent to Closed Reports.

PS- Someone fill out the form.

Re: Bit suspicious [No Form]

PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 5:38 pm
by danfrank
Well after the book king wrote.. i think the thread should be closed and the accusations dropped.. it is a well thought out plan to accumulate the most and easiest points that he can. im sure there are other players with his rank that do the same thing or something similar.. =D>

Re: Bit suspicious [No Form]

PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 7:47 pm
by SlayerQC
danfrank wrote:Well after the book king wrote.. i think the thread should be closed and the accusations dropped.. it is a well thought out plan to accumulate the most and easiest points that he can. im sure there are other players with his rank that do the same thing or something similar.. =D>


Only the freaks that have something to prove.
Something they have not, intelligence and a life.
(not trying to flame)
This ABUSE should be a "by-law" in the rules and forbidden.
If everyone starts doing it it will be pretty hard to tell who does it legitly and who farms his multis.Not to mention ruin the whole principle of rankings.

Ive never understand why would someone turn a GAME into a TASK. A game is for fun. I also wonder what IMPORTANT task they arent doing while doing this one. Oh well, we all know who the one without a future is now.
I'll see you at the next till, bagging my groceries.

If only it was getting him chicks. (or whatever sex he's attracted to)

Re: Bit suspicious [No Form]

PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 7:49 pm
by SlayerQC
lancehoch wrote:Hey all. Please remain on topic or this will get scrapped, locked, and sent to Closed Reports.

PS- Someone fill out the form.


the form was filled, in the previous (locked) thread lancehoh.
ill fill it if it is what is needed for mods to consider making a verdict.

Re: Bit suspicious [No Form]

PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 10:05 pm
by King_Herpes
Call me an asshole, Call me a cheat, Call me a farmer, go ahead and call me John Deere for all I care. What I choose to do with the 25$ I spent on a premium membership is none of your concern. You can point the finger at those individuals as long as you want to, but I tip my hat off to each and everyone of them. They are all great at what they do individually. They've worked out a plan to maximize points and minimize losses. If they choose to do that with their membership than who are you people to undermine it.

It is the epitome of ignorance to sit behind the same site that we all enjoy and accuse certain players of being undeserving of their ranks. Something I have never done unless antagonized by an ignorant person. Anyone who mistakes me for a bad or unfair player is incredibly naive. I was at 50% wins before I even put this strategy into use. I earned 16 medals before I even put this strategy into use. I was a Brigadier before i put this strategy into use. I run this site. I did all these things with under 800 games. 800 Legitimate games against great players. I've destroyed some of the best players on this site. Including people that have held the Conquerer. I know that I can play at the top players level. I've already proven it to myself.

This all began when my brother told me that I'd never be in the top ten. I laughed at him and said I could do it within the year that I joined. I accomplished this in 8 months. All I use to play is sequenteal escaltating 8's, or terminator escalting 8's when I first joined and walked the board with people three times my rank. I've been playing risk since I was 8 years old. I beat grown men when I sit down to play the board game.

None of your comments equal out to any relevance because you've failed in proper judgment. None of these comments should mean anything for the simple fact that no single person has took the time to research my game history. Because if they did, they'd realize that I am a highly decorated player with a very versatile risk strategy. This is just a new strategy put into place to see if I can become conqueror. If I do I will laugh all the way until I reach my grave!

For anyone who reads this pathetic excuse for a complaint and doesn't choose to make a sound decision based on my whole history as a player. They are fickle players who don't comprehend the hard effort that has to be put into these games I win. I'm almost an angel of death on Waterloo. Primarily because I play against question marks who inevitably get bored of the game by the time is over and deadbeat : ). Although this is definitely not the case all the time. There are times when I'm at work and can not drop the games that members hop on. Games have started without newbs. And yet, I still win? Because every game that I start the 7 players that match against me, do have an equal chance to win. They just don't move as swiftly as I do around that particular board. There are also instances when none of them deadbeat.

I can play any game against any player on this whole site without fear of losing. If they give me the oppurtunity to take control of the game, I will and will also never let up without a hard fight. Anyone who can attest to the fact that I'm a good player will keep playing against me. Because I play fair. By the rules. And I play with a great respect for other players. Something some players should do more of instead of ridiculing the people at the top of the list for how they choose to keep the points that they've earned.

Your not the people waking up at all hours of the night to collect on a measly bonus just to chip away at the player that's slightly ahead. Your not the people losing sleep and giving up free time to dominate your games. I Start games that I know I can win. Most players start games that they like but have no idea how the game will play out. A good player, finds his individual nook and goes for it full steam ahead.

So, I will break it down into layman's terms for the feeble minded players who harbor jealousy, envy, and can not give credit where credit is due out of contempt for a person they don't even know. A person they don't even start to think of the individual hardships they endured trying to get to their highest point.

In Conquer Club there are three types of people. The train conductors who put up road blocks and switch tracks when things are about to crash(Moderators, Multi Hunters). The freight trains who barrel through the ranks without mercy not even thinking of looking behind. Then there are the thousands of rocks and pebbles below the tracks that the trains travel around over at their leisure. The only people that can stop a speeding train is a Moderator or if your busted for being a multi. The rest of the people who try to be the police and call players out for abusing the site or exploiting it's loopholes are the pebbles. Once in a great while a small number of pebbles will get there way onto the tracks to try and stop the mighty trains! And you people that are falsely accusing people of these crimes will get up onto those tracks and yell he's cheating! Yes, yes, y e s?, And Then King_Herpes(The Freight Train)just chugging along screams out NO, NO, NO! and then crushes you into a hundred thousand pieces, laughing forever until I win!

The people on the top of the list are all great players who deserve their ranks. Who deserve to be up that high on the scoreboard. They all have their individual comfort zones and sometimes that means only playing against newbs. But until you've adopted their strategy and put it into use to actually see how much of a breeze it is, you will quickly learn it's level of difficulty. Try it, and you will not even begin to see the same success.

Rabbiton, Torcav, Maxastuy, and anyone else whose character was bashed from these latest threads should be completely redeemed and respected in The Conquer Club community. And the funny thing is once people realize how efficient it really is once your good at it, half these people will become hypocrites. Once they get tired of being piss ants and suckers for buying a membership that they don't even fully utilize. I bought this account to win. I don't care about everyone's particular morals and how other's think I should play with the membership that I purchased. I sneeze on people who have the audacity to judge another player and undermine their play. Horrible sportsmanship. I will play anyone under any setting and if you give the smallest opportunity for me to take control of the game. I will and will never let go.

Hated by children who don't understand respect, loved by adults who have already earned it,


King_Herpes.{]:)*

Re: Bit suspicious [No Form]

PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 10:29 pm
by Bruceswar
I just read this again and King H is very honest in what he says. He has been very open and honest and as much as some of you may not like it, he can do as he pleases. I have to say much respect to King H to being upfront and honest about what he is doing.

Re: Bit suspicious [No Form]

PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 4:58 am
by king achilles
King_Herpes has given his explanations.

He creates games from a particular map/s where a bunch of new accounts join in. According to him, it's like he sets a 'trap' and these new accounts happen to take the bait. He chooses which games he would like to proceed with and drops the ones he doesn't like to continue as long as it has not yet been initialized.

Before we can give a verdict, we need some solid evidence to tie it up with. If all we have are speculations, that would not be enough, and that is what we have right now for this case.