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joz00 [Cleared] and xXBlazenAZNXx and BlazenAZN [Busted]

PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 12:27 pm
by Jock Bomb
Accused:


The accused are suspected of:
  • Being Multis
  • Having a secret alliance


Game number(s):


Comments:
Although in the first game these 2 are openly talking about what they are doing, it is clearly obvious this is an attempt to bullsh*t the other players into thinking he is cheating legally! He isn't, it would appear he forms a suspicious open alliance in many of his games, some with very similar names! Then uses the 2 or 3 players he controls to hit the others having openly spoken about it!!!!

This is clearly a multi account and/or an alliance made outwith the game on the understanding they will bullsh*t talk in game to make it look as if he/they are being honest about their attacks!

It makes no strategic sense WHAT SO EVER!

Re: joz00 and xXBlazenAZNXx and BlazenAZN

PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 3:06 pm
by Jock Bomb
This is a damn joke! The only times they have attacked each other is after the announce it in the game chat so the other moves his armies out!

They have easily taken out 1 player and about to do likewise with me! Cheating at its best, definate pre match contact involved.

TOTALLY SPOILS THIS WEBSITE

Re: joz00 and xXBlazenAZNXx and BlazenAZN

PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 3:08 pm
by Jock Bomb
Check out the obviously cheezy in game chat!!!!!!!!!! Its almost MOCKING the damn website making it so obvious!

2008-05-23 20:24:12 - joz00: I gotta say green already almost has IIocos bonus locked up ... not true!
2008-05-23 21:49:46 - xXBlazenAZNXx: so what do you propose
2008-05-23 21:51:12 - xXBlazenAZNXx: well?
2008-05-23 21:57:33 - xXBlazenAZNXx: what call it truth blue to beat green
2008-05-23 22:20:10 - joz00: Yea, I'll hold a ceasefire with you yellow until we deal with Green. (green which was me, had 7 or 8 territories with no hope of a continent, although blue was sat with one of his own, it simply DOES NOT add up! Note how the 4th player was not involved in this, only these 2)
2008-05-23 22:20:43 - joz00: I won't attack you yellow and you won't attack me. We can determine when we want to stop this arrangement in the future with 1 turn notice ok
2008-05-23 22:32:02 - xXBlazenAZNXx: got it but you better keep your world
2008-05-23 22:36:58 - xXBlazenAZNXx: red tell use later if you wan't to join to kill green
2008-05-23 23:03:25 - joz00: I will yellow, dont worry. I already moved my fortifications away from ALBAY
2008-05-25 18:19:03 - joz00: yellow, just a reminder that we have a truce. I see you building up on antique ...
2008-05-26 04:25:46 - xXBlazenAZNXx: blue get out of mindoro plz
2008-05-26 21:23:40 - joz00: K, I'll get out of Mindoro if I can take over Antique from you?
2008-05-26 21:25:25 - joz00: There is just one of my guys on Mindoro Yellow, go ahead and take it over
2008-05-26 21:33:19 - xXBlazenAZNXx: let me get out of maguindao to sulu islands and is it ok to attack jolo
2008-05-28 02:19:09 - joz00: ok yellow, I'll reduce to 1 army so you can get out of Maguindao
2008-05-28 02:20:53 - joz00: Yellow, Go ahead and take out Jolo & Tawi Tawi
2008-05-28 02:21:14 - joz00: Yellow, can I take out Panay?
2008-05-28 05:43:33 - xXBlazenAZNXx: to were ya i gess are you going for visayan island?
2008-05-28 05:44:33 - xXBlazenAZNXx: if you are let me have it and i give you sulu island and bicol
2008-05-28 05:44:38 - xXBlazenAZNXx: tell me what you think
2008-05-28 11:07:15 - Jock Bomb: hardly had it locked up with red suiciding himself every turn! But hey ho. Up to you guys
2008-05-28 11:09:37 - Jock Bomb: and blue you let yellow hold a bonus? Piss poor play by blue
2008-05-28 16:48:41 - joz00: Thanks yellow for moving out of the grey territory.
2008-05-28 16:50:47 - joz00: you can take bicol yellow, take out VIRAC.
2008-05-28 16:51:36 - joz00: I already have almost all of Visayan islands ... can I take CUYO?
2008-05-28 17:46:49 - xXBlazenAZNXx: let me have mindanao so make so don't become to strong
2008-05-28 19:23:48 - joz00: You will have more bonus next turn than me yellow :) Can I take CUYO yellow?
2008-05-28 19:26:56 - xXBlazenAZNXx: ... ya
2008-05-28 19:33:31 - xXBlazenAZNXx: sry blue i forgot to ask if i can take quezon and zambles from you sry...

Re: joz00 and xXBlazenAZNXx and BlazenAZN

PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 3:21 pm
by lancehoch
You posted this less than three hours ago. Please relax and give it some time. You have been around the site long enough to know that it takes the mods at least a day to get to these reports. There are also almost a page of other posts that were made before yours that the mods have not gotten to yet.

Re: joz00 and xXBlazenAZNXx and BlazenAZN

PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 7:05 pm
by Jock Bomb
lancehoch wrote:You posted this less than three hours ago. Please relax and give it some time. You have been around the site long enough to know that it takes the mods at least a day to get to these reports. There are also almost a page of other posts that were made before yours that the mods have not gotten to yet.


And you are? I am placing ALL the information available ok? What the hell have you got to do with it anyway?

There are way to many people with too much time on their hands!

If I opt to post more details to ease the mod's burden that is up to me, not you!

Re: joz00 and xXBlazenAZNXx and BlazenAZN

PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 8:59 pm
by General Greivous
Jock bomb pmd me after I was eliminated, asking about team alliance and/or multi accounts, my response was "I dont know about multi accounts but I do know they were a team from the word go. very unCC like as far as i am concerned." in the game we were involved in they wanted green(jock bomb) out imediatly, for no reason, me and green were equally matched in their suspected bonus territory, in my oppinion they did have alot of out of game chat to come out swinging they way they did. asking for and/or even complying to a truce within the firs five round is just ridiculous IMO.

Re: joz00 and xXBlazenAZNXx and BlazenAZN

PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2008 8:21 am
by Fireside Poet
Suspects:
# joz00
# xXBlazenAZNXx
# BlazenAZN

Verdict: xXBlazenAZNXx & BlazenAZN busted for multiple accounts.

Re: joz00 [Cleared] and xXBlazenAZNXx and BlazenAZN [Busted]

PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2008 1:03 pm
by Jock Bomb
and now for the latest in game chat! DEFINATELY multi accounts if you ask me, total bullsh*t!

2008-05-28 21:11:27 - Jock Bomb: why dont you 2 just cheat in a 2 player game or team game, no point in spoiling a good website by cheating and ruining games!
2008-05-29 01:09:53 - joz00: Hey Yellow, after Green is elminated, lets have 1 round of no attacks and then we can attack each other. OK?
2008-05-29 06:10:52 - xXBlazenAZNXx: what about you tack the win and next game we can be on teams
2008-05-29 06:11:14 - xXBlazenAZNXx: or not let try to fight and see what happens

Re: joz00 [Cleared] and xXBlazenAZNXx and BlazenAZN [Busted]

PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2008 1:07 pm
by lancehoch
Jock Bomb wrote:and now for the latest in game chat! DEFINATELY multi accounts if you ask me, total bullsh*t!

2008-05-28 21:11:27 - Jock Bomb: why dont you 2 just cheat in a 2 player game or team game, no point in spoiling a good website by cheating and ruining games!
2008-05-29 01:09:53 - joz00: Hey Yellow, after Green is elminated, lets have 1 round of no attacks and then we can attack each other. OK?
2008-05-29 06:10:52 - xXBlazenAZNXx: what about you tack the win and next game we can be on teams
2008-05-29 06:11:14 - xXBlazenAZNXx: or not let try to fight and see what happens

Look up, FP busted them. They will not be creating or joining any more games. Congrats on the bust, sorry about the loss and the points.

Re: joz00 and xXBlazenAZNXx and BlazenAZN

PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2008 3:28 pm
by Jock Bomb
Fireside Poet wrote:Suspects:
# joz00
# xXBlazenAZNXx
# BlazenAZN

Verdict: xXBlazenAZNXx & BlazenAZN busted for multiple accounts.


Fireside poet,

This HAS to be wrong? Joz00 was in BOTH of these games!

Considering the huge number of players I DO NOT BELIEVE this is coincidence?

Joz00 is every bit as guilty, the mere in game chat makes it so very obvious there is at least a secret alliance, although they tried to make it such that this was not the case by the in game chat.

I do not believe for a second joz00 is not guilty of cheating here :(

ACTUALLY!

He has played in 2 games with BlazenAZN! Guess what ...... Joz00 won both!

Come on FP! This is cheating! I do not believe in coincidences like this!

Game numbers:
[*]Game 2472867
[*]Game 2499568

Re: joz00 and xXBlazenAZNXx and BlazenAZN

PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2008 3:38 pm
by Fireside Poet
Jock Bomb wrote:
Fireside Poet wrote:Suspects:
# joz00
# xXBlazenAZNXx
# BlazenAZN

Verdict: xXBlazenAZNXx & BlazenAZN busted for multiple accounts.


Fireside poet,

This HAS to be wrong? Joz00 was in BOTH of these games!

Considering the huge number of players I DO NOT BELIEVE this is coincidence?

Joz00 is every bit as guilty, the mere in game chat makes it so very obvious there is at least a secret alliance, although they tried to make it such that this was not the case by the in game chat.

I do not believe for a second joz00 is not guilty of cheating here :(


While joz00 was in the game and looked to be collaborating with the "Blazen" multis, joz00 is NOT one of them. Normally when there is someone found guilty of secret alliance, they are blocked from playing against the others in the accusation, but since the "others" in this case are multis, there is no way to block joz00 from playing against someone that is no longer a user on Conquer Club. Please use the feedback and ignore options as necessary at this point.

Re: joz00 and xXBlazenAZNXx and BlazenAZN

PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2008 4:20 pm
by Jock Bomb
Fireside Poet wrote:
Jock Bomb wrote:
Fireside Poet wrote:Suspects:
# joz00
# xXBlazenAZNXx
# BlazenAZN

Verdict: xXBlazenAZNXx & BlazenAZN busted for multiple accounts.


Fireside poet,

This HAS to be wrong? Joz00 was in BOTH of these games!

Considering the huge number of players I DO NOT BELIEVE this is coincidence?

Joz00 is every bit as guilty, the mere in game chat makes it so very obvious there is at least a secret alliance, although they tried to make it such that this was not the case by the in game chat.

I do not believe for a second joz00 is not guilty of cheating here :(


While joz00 was in the game and looked to be collaborating with the "Blazen" multis, joz00 is NOT one of them. Normally when there is someone found guilty of secret alliance, they are blocked from playing against the others in the accusation, but since the "others" in this case are multis, there is no way to block joz00 from playing against someone that is no longer a user on Conquer Club. Please use the feedback and ignore options as necessary at this point.


OK thanks for the response and your time :)

Re: joz00 [Cleared] and xXBlazenAZNXx and BlazenAZN [Busted]

PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 11:48 pm
by joz00
Wow ... I don't even know where to start. I didn't even know BlaznAzn was a cheater until Jock posted it in the game chat. I get that Jock Bomb is angry and think's I'm a cheater. I"m not sure I can convince him otherwise but I'll lay out what happened from my perspective. In the very beginning of the game Green (Jock Bomb) took Yellow out of Illocos. I had an army on Tarlac and all I could see was Green on all borders of Illocos. I posted :

"2008-05-23 14:24:12 - joz00: I gotta say green already almost has IIocos bonus locked up ..."

I did so to bring the focus of the other players on the fact Green might receive a bonus shortly to the detriment of us all. If you look at my games I will sometimes make comments like that to do specifically that "bring the focus of the other players on the most powerful player in the hopes of getting them to attack the powerful player and ignore me".

Yellow solicited me for a Truce which I thought was a good thing for me considering two of my main borders were with Yellow and I didn't want a protacted fight with him while Green locked up his bonus and proceeded to take us out.

"2008-05-23 15:49:46 - xXBlazenAZNXx: so what do you propose
2008-05-23 15:51:12 - xXBlazenAZNXx: well?
2008-05-23 15:57:33 - xXBlazenAZNXx: what call it truth blue to beat green
2008-05-23 16:20:10 - joz00: Yea, I'll hold a ceasefire with you yellow until we deal with Green.
2008-05-23 16:20:43 - joz00: I won't attack you yellow and you won't attack me. We can determine when we want to stop this arrangement in the future with 1 turn notice ok"

I actually was not sure that he would hold up his end as a couple times he had armies poised to attack my undefended flank.

"2008-05-25 12:19:03 - joz00: yellow, just a reminder that we have a truce. I see you building up on antique ..."

I thought Yellow was a new player and he asked me to play with him in a team match. I told him I would create a team match to play with him after he completed this game.

"2008-05-29 00:10:52 - xXBlazenAZNXx: what about you tack the win and next game we can be on teams
2008-05-29 00:11:14 - xXBlazenAZNXx: or not let try to fight and see what happens
2008-05-29 13:42:30 - joz00: I'll definately play a team game with you regardless. We have good communication"

He offered to let me take the map but I suggested we have 1 turn after he eliminated Green before we commenced hostilities and let the armies decide the map. I suggested 1 turn because I didn't want to get attacked before I put up some defenses on my borders. Go figure ...

"2008-05-29 00:10:52 - xXBlazenAZNXx: what about you tack the win and next game we can be on teams
2008-05-29 00:11:14 - xXBlazenAZNXx: or not let try to fight and see what happens
2008-05-29 13:42:30 - joz00: I'll definately play a team game with you regardless. We have good communication
2008-05-29 13:43:37 - joz00: Take out green since you took me out of Illocos and then it's on :)
2008-05-29 13:47:33 - joz00: After you finish this game which looks like it's your first one I'll create a triples game and have you join my team.
2008-05-30 15:16:22 - joz00: Jock, why did you call me a cheater? Alliances and statecraft is part of the game. Read the welcome page of this website. And for the record this is the first time I've played with yellow. He is a new player, click on his profile.
2008-05-30 15:35:05 - xXBlazenAZNXx: 1 more tern then
2008-05-30 16:20:59 - joz00: Next turn you don't attack right?
2008-05-30 16:21:53 - joz00: Is this your first game? "

Now I know that Jock Bomb will not believe me but I honestly did not know I had played with this player before. After reading what the admin posted I did find a game with a "BlazenAZN" and apparently left him feedback after I won that game. If you read that game 2499568 you'll see that I took out everyone in a very systematic manner. I first secured my bonus in Lindon, then Ruhn, built up in Eridor and Wilderland and then took the game. The only person I spoke to the entire game was Red (Razalam) to let him know I thought his tactic of breaking my bonuses was a good one. If you will look at that game Jock Bomb and tell me you think I was cheating then I don't know what to say to you.

I don't typically make alliances with people but at times I'll have a friendly border with a player so we can both concentrate on a bigger threat. I think in all of my games (only 54 to date completed) I've done so in 4 or 5 of them. I usually instigate the offer and I try to be very specific about what I'm offering so there is no confusion as early on when I first joined there was confusion with another player who thought I was offering a truce when I was only offering a friendly border between two specific territories.

I did not know this guy had multiple accounts. I am relatively new to this game and this site so perhaps I'm not as suspicious as some are. In the future I know that what looks like a normal conversation on my side can look very different to someone else in the game. I probably won't have full on truces with anyone in the future so others don't misconstrue my tactics as cheating. I'm sorry Jock Bomb that you thought I cheated you and that you think I'm a cheater. I'll take the noob comment because yes I am relatively new to this game and clearly don't have your "perspective" about player conduct. I've tried to be very cordial and forthright with other players and don't want to be someone who people do not want to play with. I'm not sure what else I can say. In any case I understand that you will not play with me in the future.

Re: joz00 [Cleared] and xXBlazenAZNXx and BlazenAZN [Busted]

PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 6:52 am
by Jock Bomb
joz00 wrote:Wow ... I don't even know where to start. I didn't even know BlaznAzn was a cheater until Jock posted it in the game chat. I get that Jock Bomb is angry and think's I'm a cheater. I"m not sure I can convince him otherwise but I'll lay out what happened from my perspective. In the very beginning of the game Green (Jock Bomb) took Yellow out of Illocos. I had an army on Tarlac and all I could see was Green on all borders of Illocos. I posted :

"2008-05-23 14:24:12 - joz00: I gotta say green already almost has IIocos bonus locked up ..."

I did so to bring the focus of the other players on the fact Green might receive a bonus shortly to the detriment of us all. If you look at my games I will sometimes make comments like that to do specifically that "bring the focus of the other players on the most powerful player in the hopes of getting them to attack the powerful player and ignore me".


See the PROBLEM I have now in believing you (after the PM was sent) is I WAS NOT the most powerful player at that point as you well know! YOU were the only player to have a complete continent at that time! I was no where near a continent as red was making sure of that as could be seen from the attack reports!

So really what you say is not constructive enough to get me to believe what you say unfortunately! ALSO as I said in game:

2008-05-28 11:07:15 - Jock Bomb: hardly had it locked up with red suiciding himself every turn! But hey ho. Up to you guys
2008-05-28 11:09:37 - Jock Bomb: and blue you let yellow hold a bonus? Piss poor play by blue

So what you say above is completely incorrect!

You also have a fast rank growth after a small number of games?

I just find this very very weird that you have played with both this guys accounts and won all 3 games, I would not be the only one to think this.

I will say one thing to you, IF YOU ARE CHEATING WITH SECRET ALLIANCES AND/OR MULTI ACCOUNTS YOU WILL GET CAUGHT AND LOSE YOUR SUBSCRIPTION! End it now and dump either the dual accounts and/or the secret alliances and you should be fine :)

I detest cheating greatly and although you were let off this time, this is not to say it will not happen to you again in the future.

Heed the warning signs and what has been said buddy :)

Oh, with regard to the other TWO games you played with this guys other account, I did look at them and agree there was no conversation, BUT if it was a secret alliance there obviously would be none! MSN, YAHOO and various other sites offer real time contact! Therefore takes away the need for in game chat. Anyway the matter has been dealt with now.