Conquer Club

Accused:
Redrayzor
And Friends:
-GeneralYao
-Aznpride395
-[player]CaptainCrunk82[/players]

The accused are suspected of:
Having a secret alliance
Getting friends to write negative reviews on me
Telling everyone that I am a backstabber


Game number(s):
[list]
Game 2002759 - got his cousin to come and play with him and killed poor me(a newbie at the time) and jojojohnny(also a newbie at the time). Had some problems with the guy sitting next to me, and they he said I was crazy.
Game 2107157 - said I was a backstabber, then back stabbed me
Game 2138001 - accussed me of breaking a casual game rule, which there was none.
Game 2145745 - suiciding into me, and having a secret alliance.


Comments:
I have played many games with Redrayzor, whose real name is Raymond. First couple of games were fun, but they got worse as each game went by. Finally, it all snapped when he said that I was a backstabber for attacking some guy (Spartain), who he said was on our team, even though the day before he said he wasn't. Then he attacks me, so I attack him, and he attacks me back, and then the original enemy comes in and wipes me out. The betraying me is completely wrong, but saying that I was a traitor and should be gained up on. That is way over the line. The next game, he said I broke a casual game rule (to not play after school). There was no rule ever agreed on about not playing after school (me and Jojojohnny would never agree since Redrayzor is always first in the classroom anyway). After that, I wrote a negative review on him for doing many things wrong, and he gets extremely angry. First he writes a retaliatory one on me. I put in the response that this is a retaliatory one and how its breaking the rules. So he WITHDRAWS IT and writes another one on how I am an overall bad person. Then, he gets his friends (I saw him talk to them, saying "see how mean this guy is. give him negative feedback") to write bad reviews on me. As you can see, all of the reviews talk about me being a nerd or "mentally unstable"or having temper problems. What proof do they have of these allegations? None. They probably just thought up some mean things and wrote a nasty review on me.

A reputation is something very important to people, whether its in the real world, or the gaming world. Redrayzor and his friends ruined my reputation in many ways. And so far, I been trying hard to get it back, but its 1 vs 4 and I am having troubles. Please help me out on this.

Firstly, you are taking this game way too seriously. With the exception of generalyao, we all know each other in real life. We actually had fun before you got paranoid about everyone making secret alliances, supposedly against you. Remember that most of these games were rt and in class. However, I didn't really feel that you were such a bad person until the Tamriel map. During and after the Tamriel map (see below), your paranoia reached such a level that everyone got annoyed by it.

My supposed friends...
generalyao - Only played one game with you, jojojohnny, and me. ([game]Game 2002759[/game])True, we have played some games with or against each other, but we are NOT cousins (I don't even know who he is in real life) and there was never a secret alliance between us. Maybe it's because you're racist that you had to link him to me that way. I only described him as an "asian friend," and the way I see it now, three of the four people you have accused are asian. It just so happened that jojojohnny got eliminated while I was consolidating the northeast portion of the map. After that, I went for Arabia, and got it. At the same time, general and you had your respective bonuses, and were obviously going to gang up on me because I had control of half the map. I looked at the map and decided that if I invaded general, I could not easily eliminate him, overtake the bonus, and defend. Your bonus in Egypt looked easier to defend (2 chokepoints, one with Arabia), so I went for it. At that point, if general and I ever had a secret alliance, he would have just sat there while I killed you. However, he invaded me and broke ALL my bonuses. That disproves your secret alliance theory.

aznpride395 and CaptainCrunk82 - As far as I knew, they already had a negative opinion of you because of all the crap that you wrote accusing them of secret alliances. By being paranoid and accusing them of the secret alliances they didn't have, all you probably did was bring them closer together against you. Then there was the Africa game (see [game]Game 2138001[/game]). The only person that we didn't know in real life was cyan player, who wasn't even supposed to get in. Everyone in our class and in the game made a casual agreement in real life in order to maintain the game as RT. You moved twice after school, and jojojohnny only moved to prevent you from completing your cascade the next morning. No one else moved after school. What you did to probably cause them to give you a negative feedback was the fact that you repeatedly broke the casual rule, and eliminated half of the players while everyone else had lives.

Other games:
[game]Game 2107157[/game] - Spartain was new at the time, and didn't know what he was doing. When he attacked you, I thought he had broken the alliance so I said that you could attack him. I talked to him after school, and he apologized and agreed to let each of us control a bonus. I was going to tell you on Monday morning, but you had already started to launch an invasion into his zone, so I did what I could to slow you down and help him out - attacking your embassy so you would have less troops to kill him with. Then, on Monday morning, despite me talking to you, you continued to take territories from Spartain and even took my embassy. Because you took my embassy, I ran through the area you captured from Spartain and broke your main bonus. If you had simply apologized and withdrew from Spartain's territory, I would have agreed to let you recapture your embassy and the problem would have been solved. You chose the path of war, which led to Spartain and you getting eliminated, which started a card cascade.

[game]Game 2145745[/game] - I find it ironic that you were actually the one suiciding into me. True, I tried to attack your huge Rockies bonus, but it wasn't even close to suiciding. It was more of me having very bad dice each time, and failing to break your bonus despite initially outnumbering you by a sizable amount. Jojojohnny used the same path to break the bonus probably because it was the weakest point in your defense. I had the goal of breaking your bonus, so it was not suiciding. However, what you did at the end of the game (attacking my 7 with your 6 and winning) was suicidal, as neither of us had a bonus to defend.

Negatives -- None of them were retalitory. General wrote one because of your attitude after your elimination in that one game. Capt wrote one because of your attitude in the class, and because you moved after school and eliminated him on the Africa map. Azn wrote one because of your attitude in class, and partially because of your cheap move on that same map. I wrote one for a combination of reasons, but mainly because you brought my family into it by insulting my cousins, none of whom play CC.

To sum it up, all of the problems that you just described here, you created them yourself.

Wow,

seriously, IF all these things that you are accusing us of were true, it wouldn't be illegal anyways. Let's see what you have done, you also have involved yourself in secret alliances, so you cannot accuse others of doing what you have done. Anyways, part of the game is making alliances and when they were made, they weren't secret or secret alliances didn't exist and you are trying to see into things that are not real.

As for the negative reviews, if anyone looked at the games itself, they would see that the negative reviews were not intended to destroy your reputation, but were a necessary response to the actions of Mr. T. According to him, all these people are attacking him for no reason yet if you look deeper, he's the one that starts all the confrontations, and he insults people for no reason.

He makes up random accusations. Redrayzor is only a person I have only played with and against on conquerclub several times and we are a friend in game. Nothing is wrong with being friends with players in game or am I mistaken in that regard? Furthermore, he is trying to slander our names through libel and complete false accusations with no grounds or basis. In fact, he is the one blackening our name with made up stories and information. First of all, I do not know who redrayzor is. Secondly, if you paid attention to the game, me and red were on opposite sides of the map and we were attacking each other in the middle at the same time while you were in your corner trying to hide. Third, you start flaming the players and continue it after the game has ended as if we had attacked you personally first or that you had been cheated. Then, you accuse those other people that you apparently know in real life of things you do yourself.

Look at the negative feedback you have left. Those are the ones that seem to be unjustified. It seems like you are incriminating yourself...

I have NEVER written a negative review before Mr. T and I didn't want to but when you personally insult me and act outrageously within the context of the game, I was forced to. I only responded due to the outrageous nature of thise accusation/thread as I was informed of cheating and misconduct. Where is the proof I ask? Not fantasies in ones head, actually sound evidence.

What's more, you talk about reputation? You are trying to destroy our reputations over nothing when actually you are the one responsible for everything that has happened. A good reputation is EARNED not given. If you controlled yourself and acted in a more respectable fashion, people would not have problems with you. And now that are unhappy, you're trying to blame everyone else for your shortcomings when it is your fault first and try to pull us all down in flames.

I would actually ask that punitive action be taken against Mr. T for trying to slander our names and making up false accusations to try to get us in trouble. He is accusing us of cheating when he have never broken the rules. What's more, he is the one that has done or did most of these things. If this happened in real life, it would be called libel.

p.s.: There is a major difference between what you say you are, what you think you are, and what you actually are.

First off, Redrayzor and GeneralYao are cousins, that is what Redrayzor told me. He NEVER said anything about him being a "Asian friend". By the way, if you don't know him in real life, then HOW DO YOU KNOW HE IS ASIAN. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't have a conversation with him on what nationality you are. That would be bizarre. And I'm not racist against Asians, I like Chinese food and that place were they cook in front of you (Shogun), and some of my good friends are Asian, like Hanson, Trevor, and Jee-Ae. This was a ROUGH account off what you said:
"So who is this GeneralYao guy, why is he playing this game with us?" - I asked.
"Oh, he is my cousin. I invited him to play with us last night." - Redrayzor(Raymond) said.

Even Jojojohnny (Kyle) agreed with me, you know the guy sitting to the left of you, yeah him. He said that he remembered you calling him your cousin at one point. Lying about doesn't help you at all, it only hurts you. So what if he is you cousin. There is no rule in which family members cannot play with you. Their is one in which you can't gain up on people with a friend (and family = friend in this case). Sorry I dishonored your family with that typo (what was that, I put cousins instead of cousin and you go crazy over that. I got confused with all of the possessive words in that one sentence, sorry ok. You said it youself: I "need to go to grammer school" in one of the games).

GeneralYao, I told you once and I'll tell you again. I never accused you of anything in that one game. That thing on "Cheater, Your a Cheater, Raymond is a cheater, I'm leaving a bad review on you" that was all targeted toward Redrayzor not you. As you can see, they were written within seconds of each other. I said your a cheater talking to Redrayzor, then I thought "Let me specify that up". So I put "Raymond is a cheater" after that. I called him a cheater because he invited us newbs to be gained up by you (his friend cousin) even though that is not cheating, it was something I could think of in such sort notice (short notice because he was rampaging on my armies and the teacher came by to check for programs). I did say "I was just kidding" 10 minutes later. I did put a bad review on Redrayzor later on for his continued meanness, then he put one on me, then YOU PUT ONE ON ME. Then we made a deal to withdraw both bad reviews on each other, and he said he would talk to you about withdrawing the one on me. You, however, refused saying the stuff I said is to horrible to go unnoticed. Your the one that insulted me with the "maybe we should call you mario cuz you just got one uped" which by the way I didn't understand the first 5 times I read it. Finally, I figured out that you want to call me Mario(like in the game) because I just got a one life up(like in the game) from the green mushroom which is where you lost me. Still, however, I get what you are implying. Later in the game chat, I person kept pressing keys, hence the weird letters everywhere. That is not my fault and it is not why you should call me "mentally unstable".

Accused: Redrayzor, GeneralYao, Aznpride395 & CaptainCrunk82
Verdict: Redrayzor, Aznpride395, CaptainCrunk82 & Mr. T 868 blocked for secret alliance. GeneralYao is cleared. All are cleared of multiple accounts.

2008-03-31 06:45:04 - redrayzor: you seemed to forget that we had this deal in which i got gray, he got red, jojo got purple, and you got green.

The proof for the so-called secret alliance isn't really valid, and the action taken isn't just either...

Verdict: Redrayzor, Aznpride395, CaptainCrunk82 & Mr. T 868 blocked for secret alliance. GeneralYao is cleared. All are cleared of multiple accounts.

2008-03-31 06:45:04 - redrayzor: you seemed to forget that we had this deal in which i got gray, he got red, jojo got purple, and you got green.
Accused: Redrayzor, GeneralYao, Aznpride395 & CaptainCrunk82
Verdict: Redrayzor, Aznpride395, CaptainCrunk82 & Mr. T 868 blocked for secret alliance. GeneralYao is cleared. All are cleared of multiple accounts.

2008-03-31 06:45:04 - redrayzor: you seemed to forget that we had this deal in which i got gray, he got red, jojo got purple, and you got green.

First off, none of the alliances in that game were secret - everyone (at that point) was friends, and we were just trying to have fun and play risk from the same classroom. There was no outside opponent, so it was like a private game. Secondly, he = Spartain and you = Mr. T in that supposed piece of evidence used to prove that the four of us were in a secret alliance. The reality was that there were two major alliances in the game - me, jojojohnny, Mr. T 868, and Spartain vs CaptainCrunk82 and aznpride395. Thus, I don't see how capt and azn are linked to our alliance.

Also, the following quote is a complete lie that was made up by Mr. T 868 in order to pull more people into this mess:

"So who is this GeneralYao guy, why is he playing this game with us?" - I asked.
"Oh, he is my cousin. I invited him to play with us last night." - Redrayzor(Raymond) said.

Side note: Does he really need to destroy another's privacy in order to try to give credence to his false claim?

Finally, I ask that all of this to be dropped, and Mr. T be given a lecture on ethics and decency. He used to be a good player, but he started to take the game way too seriously. He then got paranoid of everyone alliancing against him, and then made up a distorted story and reported us. Thanks to his report and the action that was taken, everyone else in the class cannot play against each other anymore. Most of us only do doubles or triples in games against other people that we don't know, and to my knowledge, we have never two or more people join a singles game with those other people. In addition, ever since the last 6 player singles class game, we have not allowed Mr. T 868 to join our class games, and the previously existing alliances were officialized as doubles. This current block, therefore, only hurts us by not allowing us to play against each other in class.

That was not the only piece of evidence, but was just a small sample of what I found to be glaringly obvious alliance(s). Even in your retort, you refer to "two major alliances". What kind of an alliance is 4vs2 anyway in a non-team game? The punishment, therefore, is just in my opinion.

I have never heard of a rule that doesn't allow you to make alliances with other people. After all, diplomacy is a major part of risk. I can see how it is unethical against people we do not know, but this was a class (unofficially private) game, and everyone approved the alliances that were set up early within the game. From these factors, I do not see anything wrong with what we did, and I certainly see nothing illegal either.

Stop being a sore loser Redrayzor. We did have secret alliances(even though the one the moderator quoted was a lie you made up. Why would I ever agree to getting only a +3 bonus and someone else to getting a +5 bonus. Last time a check 3 is not >= to 5.) GeneralYao getting cleared is not the best, he wasn't in more than one secret alliance, and that really wasn't an alliance, more like "First I kill these two newbs, then my cousin" because we (me and Jojojohnny) were newbs that were hoping to get better by playing each other, but then you had to invite your cousin to bring on the hurt. Oh well, enough about that game. It was a mistake to play with you. I should have know that you would pull a trick like that.
Yes, it is sad we can't have classroom tournaments anymore. But when everyone started writing bad reviews on me, that was over the line. There should have been a rule where we couldn't write bad reviews on one another, because we were using it for revenge in real life, not something in the game.
So I am happy that you can never sneak into a game I have joined and in the end write a bad review on me.

This thread should be made private so only the accuser, accused, and moderators can see and reply.

I do not like to say bad things against other people, but i feel the need to reiterate that Mr. T 868 is extremely paranoid of everyone else's supposedly evil motives. General and I never ever collaborated or planned to eliminate you and jojojohnny first in that map. My plan in the map was simple: to win the game by eliminating my three adversaries - you, generalyao, and jojojohnny - any way possible. Then came the negative feedbacks. No one in the class wanted to write the negative reviews, but your paranoia and the resulting attitude prompted us to do so. As for me joining your games and writing negatives, it is just a fantasy in your mind that I would never actually do. For one thing, you're not even worth playing at this point thanks to your corrosive attitude towards me. Also, if I even joined, you would instantly write a negative on me regardless of what I do in the game. Why would I join to take an instant negative?

You say that I am the sore loser, and that I am the one trying to take revenge upon you in real life? Your paranoia aside, I find it ironic that you are the one holding the grudge against me, while I'm the one that is simply asking to drop the issue and be left alone. Except for that one negative feedback that you rightfully deserved for your attitude during the game in the class, I have never said or written anything bad about you. You, on the other hand, went above and beyond the game in your actions against me. Even after that incident on that one map way back when, you kept dragging the problem on, eventually reporting me. Let's see...we don't have to go that far back to find an example...today, you included a description of me in one of the programs that you did in class today, describing me as a "loser" and a "jerk". It was my mistake to have ever introduced you to ConquerClub, but then again, how was I to know that you would take the game too seriously and cause this personal mess?

To recapitulate, everything that you think you see is not real, but they are merely illusions of your mind.

Hmm, I did not know I could was a blood relative of redrayzor. Heck, I do not know who redrayzor is in real life even. Wow, you know me better than I do apparently.

Admins, please can you stop Mr. T from slandering my name and making up false information. He is being ridiculous and is becoming more than a mere annoyance. I do not partake in secret alliances and I do not condone it. If I am doing it, then I do not know I am but somehow you do so please tell me how I am cheating if I do not know and I am not trying to cheat. I did not know fairly responding to outrageous/rude behavior is unjustified and justifies being attacked by some lunatic across the web. Please admins, can you deal with Mr. T in some form of manner. This is becoming ridiculous and can you stop it before it gets out of hand. Thank you.

You use the word "Paranoid" way too much. In order to be paranoid, you have to believe in something that is not there. However, there WERE secret alliance (moderator said so) and there was foul play in that classroom (it was three juniors VS one sophomore).

Next, you did write bad reviews on me multiply times (maybe 4 times, ask the moderator. I bet he/she has a permanent record of all of that). Each time though you withdraw your previous one(because I countered it to well in the response) and wrote a new one. Finally, the last one, I had removed with the Invalid Feedback System.
I never said you joined games just to write a negative feedback on me. I said I don't have to worry about you joining any future games and writing negative feedback on me since I got the last one deleted and you might seek revenge and write another one.

Finally, it takes two people for something like this to progress this far. If either of us just stopped, then it would not progress into this. The straw that broke the camels back was when you went over to Spartain's computer and asked him to WITHDRAW HIS POSTIVE FEEDBACK ON ME JUST BECAUSE I WRONGED YOU. And caving in to peer pressure, he did. Then you said, "look, now you have four positive and four negative, so now NO ONE would ever play with you." So that was when I reported you, and the others. You tried to get Jojojohnny to withdraw, but he knows that you are not right in this situation and is to strong for your Jedi Mind tricks.

All of these "Illusions in my mind" are real, you are just too blind and close-minded to see them.

GeneralYao, you are right in almost every sense except that you two aren't cousins. Redrayzor told me the first day we met, and no matter how many lies you say, you still are. In fact, I might get Jojojohnny to post that he heard Redrayzor say that he was your cousin. He doesn't want to get involved in this, and I don't blame him. Why are you still here anyway, you have been "cleared". You are only here to help out your cousin Redrayzor.

And don't forget to check up top, I did edit some of that which i forgot to include.

Mr. T 868 wrote: And I'm not racist against Asians, I like Chinese food and that place were they cook in front of you (Shogun), and some of my good friends are Asian, like Hanson, Trevor, and Jee-Ae.

wow thanks for making me laugh with your stupidity, or am i refrencing it wrong, your "mentally unstableness" !!!!

LMAO, MR T u are a clown

Good job, you caught that joke I made in there. I usually put hints of humor in almost everything I say (just check almost any game I ever played in). Sometimes its me saying it like I'm retarded (like what you quoted)(some people call it sarcasm), and sometimes its just a humorous reference to a movie or place.

Mr. T 868 wrote:You use the word "Paranoid" way too much. In order to be paranoid, you have to believe in something that is not there.

The point is, you do believe everything that isn't there.

Mr. T 868 wrote:However, there WERE secret alliance (moderator said so) and there was foul play in that classroom (it was three juniors VS one sophomore).

The secret alliances that you accuse us for - it only appears to be a secret alliance only because no one declared any alliances within the game chat. Most of us play for the fun...not for taking away the other people's fun by hurling invectives, etc... We did not expect anyone to take the game seriously enough to turn everyone in and get most of the class blocked for not typing the alliances into the game chat.

If you think that people judge you badly just because you are a sophomore, you are wrong. We judge people by their character, not by the color of their skin, the land of their parents, the home that they live in, the religion that they observe, the gender that they are, or the class that they were put in. Have you ever considered the possibility that what you have done might have hurt other people?

Mr. T 868 wrote:Next, you did write bad reviews on me multiply times (maybe 4 times, ask the moderator. I bet he/she has a permanent record of all of that). Each time though you withdraw your previous one(because I countered it to well in the response) and wrote a new one. Finally, the last one, I had removed with the Invalid Feedback System.

Yes, I do admit that I wrote one neutral and three negatives for you. The first one was actually legit, and talked about your attitude within the game chat. I withdrew it because you asked me to, and also partially because of goodwill. The second one accused you of backstabbing the alliance that you failed to recognize just because some newbie didn't know what he was doing at that time. Then came the third one in which you broke the casual rule by moving not once, but twice, before anyone else moved outside of school, then took the loss badly and lost your temper.

Mr. T 868 wrote:I never said you joined games just to write a negative feedback on me. I said I don't have to worry about you joining any future games and writing negative feedback on me since I got the last one deleted and you might seek revenge and write another one.

You implied that I would join games just to ruin you.

Mr. T 868 wrote:All of these "Illusions in my mind" are real, you are just too blind and close-minded to see them.

You convinced yourself that they were real. I didn't realize how you could even know what everyone was thinking when we never thought about any of these ideas that you put into our minds.

Mr. T 868 wrote:Finally, it takes two people for something like this to progress this far. If either of us just stopped, then it would not progress into this. The straw that broke the camels back was when you went over to Spartain's computer and asked him to WITHDRAW HIS POSTIVE FEEDBACK ON ME JUST BECAUSE I WRONGED YOU. And caving in to peer pressure, he did. Then you said, "look, now you have four positive and four negative, so now NO ONE would ever play with you." So that was when I reported you, and the others. You tried to get Jojojohnny to withdraw, but he knows that you are not right in this situation and is to strong for your Jedi Mind tricks.

You accuse me of taking it to this level, but yet you refuse to take any responsibility. If you had read or heard what I said, you would realize that everyone but you tried to resolve this conflict.

You were the first to write a negative.
You were the first to accuse people.
And you were the only one to take this personally.

I did not tell AznPride395 or CaptainCrunk82 to write negatives for you. They wrote the negatives by themselves because of your corrosive attitude towards them. Then you insulted me by saying how me, my friends, and my cousins are jerks. Because none of my cousins play cc, I felt that you had stepped way over the line. I showed Spartain your comments regarding my family, and on his own he withdrew his positive for you because he felt that you had gone way too far with that comment. Then I simply said to you, "If people knew about your lack of good attitude, no one would want to play with you."

Mr. T 868 wrote:GeneralYao, you are right in almost every sense except that you two aren't cousins. Redrayzor told me the first day we met, and no matter how many lies you say, you still are. In fact, I might get Jojojohnny to post that he heard Redrayzor say that he was your cousin. He doesn't want to get involved in this, and I don't blame him. Why are you still here anyway, you have been "cleared". You are only here to help out your cousin Redrayzor.

If you think generalyao is even related to me, you are wrong. For one thing, I don't even know who he is in real life, or even outside of cc, for that matter. You have said it to yourself and to your friend Kyle/jojojohnny so much that you guys think that your imagination has become a fact. For all I know, you probably made it up just to convince yourself that generalyao is part of my "evil group," as you called it. Secondly, most of the things you mentioned trying to show that you like the Asian culture are stereotypes. Like what that other guy said, it only proves your ignorance.

p.s. If I had "Jedi Mind tricks," I would use them not to detrimentally control other people's minds, but rather to get you to understand that everyone else is wiling to work for the common good, and that you are the only barrier between all of us and the solution.

You constantly say that I am "seeing illusions in my mind" that I think I am starting to actually see illusions of me going mad trying to read everything you write. Jeez, day after day, hour after hour, second after second, its all the same.
And the alliances in the classroom are still secret, ok. See, a classroom is like a large room in which students are scattered throughout to keep them from cheating. That is what they were designed for. For everyone else here is a rough account of are seating chart:

Code: Select all

                                                Aznpride - &   
                                            CaptainCrunk - &
                                                           &
&                                               Spartain - &
&                                                          &
&                                                          &
& - Robert                                                 &
& - Mr. T                                                  &
& - Redrayzor &-Jojojohnny &   &   &   &   &   &   &   &   &
              not to scale 
         <=That wall is about 20-25 feet from that wall=>

had to be in code to get the spacing.
As you can tell from the great picture I drew, I or Redrayzor could not communicate with the others. We are on opposite sides of the classroom. Redrayzor sometimes stands up and walks over to Spartain and the others to talk to them about stuff, but I never go over there(I hardly know them). If their was any alliances, I got them all from Redrayzor. And the first games we played(even though we were in the SAME Classroom) I didn't know who was allianced with whom except for Redrayzor and Jojojohnny, which only really leaves Aznpride, CaptainCrunck, and Spartain. So anything that was not put into the game chat, really wasn't talked about in the classroom.

We judge people by their character, not by the color of their skin, the land of their parents, the home that they live in, the religion that they observe, the gender that they are, or the class that they were put in.

All I can say about that is that it is deep. That is something I am surprised hearing from you. Something like that should be put in some political speech. You should become a speech writer. I bet you would be successful in that field.

Basically, you just said that I walk across the classroom to talk to Spartain, CaptainCrunk82, and aznpride395 about stuff. Doesn't this also mean that I could have talked to them about cc as well? If you think about it, diplomacy could have been easily done while I was on that side of the classroom. After alliances are made, I usually pass the information to jojojohnny and you. Now with that said, you had no excuse to say that you were left out in the cold.

Now let's say that you did not receive the information. With simple logic, you could have easily figured out that azn and capt were in an alliance, as they usually were in umm...just about all...their games. That left the four of us. You know that jojojohnny, Spartain, and I were friends, and we were trading sections of the map early in that game, so that meant that we basically made up the other alliance. At the time of that game, you were still on good terms with us, and we even invited you to join our side at the start of the game, so that leaves no one else in the game to make secret alliances.

redrayzor wrote: If you think about it, diplomacy could have been easily done while I was on that side of the classroom. After alliances are made, I usually pass the information to jojojohnny and you. Now with that said, you had no excuse to say that you were left out in the cold.

Have no excuse??? You said that you usually pass on information. And in this case, usually is only getting information 50% of the time. Anzpride and CaptainCrunk are always together, yes. But Spartain is like a wild card and you back stab. So the other 50% of the time is lies about your and Spartain's allegiance.

Wow,

are you serious? From what I read, how is it "secret alliances" according to you? You can easily walk across the room too. Yes, I know you might exert too much physical effort as 25 feet is a long distance but that's your fault isn't it? Don't say that you barely know them so you don't talk to them? You know they play in the same game as you/red are in, so they impact the outcome and you can easily do the same?

Have I done anything to make you believe that I am related to redrayzor? I do not even know his name. Also, you complain a lot don't you? You are complaining that red will not let this drop and this thread is going on longer than needed. Look at what you are doing. You are blowing up the whole situations and flinging wild, nonsensical arguments that make you look even dumber and actually points to the character or lack thereof that you have. You are the one trying to incriminate us and you are asking us why we keep talking about this issue. Hello? It's called defending your reputation and telling the truth. Good job Show some maturity and stop it. Seriously, you are a riot. People would pay you for this bull. It is like reading youtube comments

I see someone's nose starting to grow

If you really are so innocent, then what are you worried about?

You brainwashed yourself into believing an idealistic world that revolves around what you believe and what you think things are as opposed to the reality. Seriously, grow up. CC is a strategy based game. I do not see how this has to do with being a sophmore or junior. One year does not make that much of a difference, at least for you it won't.

I'm not here to try to protect this "evil group" or whatever cult your wild imagination has dreamt up. I am providing my side of the story and unveiling the facade you try to put up. You first involved me in this whole mess. Seriously you should drop this and stop. You're just making yourself look worse by the post. And btw, jedi mind tricks? Are you kidding me. Please do. Anyhow, the truth and honesty is very convincing. I think you might just be confusing the two. From what I know of redrayzor, he has a very consistent and decent character. I don't know him in real life so I don't know how much that means. I mean I don't think going around in games and raving like a madman on the chat like you have done will make you a very popular person anywhere.

But in all honesty man, seriously, you gotta grow up. Quit being a baby. Anyways i'm not going to try to judge you, it's not me to do. Also, you might honestly believe what your hullicinations. However, I think you are just bitter. Anyways, it's ok. There's drugs and treatments for this. You'll be ok, things will get better. Just keep telling yourself that.

generalyao wrote: Don't say that you barely know them so you don't talk to them? You know they play in the same game as you/red are in, so they impact the outcome and you can easily do the same?

I don't really know them. Just because they play in the same games as me and Redrayzor doesn't make me instantly become friends with them and know everything about them. I guess its my fault I didn't become friends with them. Ever since the first game we played together, a friendship with each other was out of the question. Lucky Redrayzor already knew them, he's the one that got them playing CC.

generalyao wrote:Have I done anything to make you believe that I am related to redrayzor? I do not even know his name.

No, but Redrayzor has. He said that you were his cousin. Now he says that you are not cousins but now he has reason to lie.

generalyao wrote:If you really are so innocent, then what are you worried about?

I am not really worried about anything at this point.

generalyao wrote:I'm not here to try to protect this "evil group" or whatever cult your wild imagination has dreamt up. I am providing my side of the story and unveiling the facade you try to put up. You first involved me in this whole mess.

You sir, are not providing your side of the story. You are teaming up with Redrayzor to take me down. Come on. Everything you said in this last post had nothing to do with your innocence, or your side in general. It is all about why I am a bad person and why I deserve to be hated. Everyday Redrayzor comes into the classroom and says "GeneralYao wrote a nasty response to what you wrote last night. He trying to get you in trouble." When I here that, I think of two things. One, Redrayzor and GeneralYao must be communicating about their post and how they can work them together to make a even better counter argument (a one-two punch). And two, why is GeneralYao still in this? Seriously, "If you really are so innocent, then what are you worried about?" Your words, not mine.

generalyao wrote:But in all honesty man, seriously, you gotta grow up. Quit being a baby. Anyways i'm not going to try to judge you, it's not me to do.

You just did. You judged me as a complainer, an immature lier, and a baby all in the last post.

And if your not Redrayzor's cousin, let's look at this again.

redrayzor wrote:True, we have played some games with or against each other, but we are NOT cousins (I don't even know who he is in real life) and there was never a secret alliance between us. Maybe it's because you're racist that you had to link him to me that way. I only described him as an "asian friend," and the way I see it now, three of the four people you have accused are asian.

If you do not know him in real life Redrayzor, how do you know he is Asian? And you can't say you had a conversation about what nationalities you were because I'm sure CC friends would never do something that bizarre.

I don't even think the moderator is still reading all of this. Its just a way to make each other look bad with as much space as needed (negative reviews can only hold 1000 characters which is way too little in this situation). It is a way to let out all that hate that has been building in that classroom from 8:15 to 9:50. Sometimes you have to fight it out in an argument to solve your differences. Raymond and me don't hate each other as much as when this started, but there still is some anger in that classroom and this won't stop until either there is no more hate, or the moderator deletes this whole thing.

Gotta love your English teacher, keep up the good work! By the way, if you're all in the same class, why bother discussing it here? The verdict stands as it is anyway.

Lol there's no point in arguing with you. It is like arguing with a rock. It might have been amusing at first but you bore and exasperate people easily.

You are obviously in denial. It's ok, I'll leave you alone for now. Everyone knows what really happened and people can figure out the truth. You can pretend to be attacked or insulted or feigh innocence but deep down you know what actually happened and whose fault it is.

I just got one last thing to comment on:





Awwwwww I gotta admit. You are really cute when you are in such a mood, crying and such....oops I mean attempt to formulate your logic and words. ( I won't try to belittle you, you'll be ok. Just keep hanging in there big boy)

Seriously, I don't even think anyone cares about this wasteful argument anymore, but I'll clear some stuff up...

1. Never heard of generalyao outside of this game...everything I know about him comes from within CC. He could be "some weirdo halfway around the world" for all I know...

2. No one is making an "evil group" to bring you down. We don't do low stuff like coordinating personal attacks on you. It actually sounds like something you would do against me in programming. (You convincing your buddy that I'm worse than Hitler and getting him to help you bs about me in the text that he uses for his programs - Yes, I have seen the texts, and I'm pretty sure that my eyes aren't failing me.) ...And about me commenting on generalyao's posts...I simply read some of the others' posts and comment about them in class. I have nothing to do with the composition of any of the posts that are not mine in this thread.

3. I NEVER lied about the alliance that you claimed I backstabbed in that map. I had a deal with Spartain until the moment that he got eliminated. I also had a deal with you and jojojohnny, but since you started an invasion on Spartain and you were the aggressor, I really had no option but to honor my commitments and do my best to keep Spartain alive...And so I did exactly that.

4. Contrary to your beliefs, the world doesn't revolve around you, and the world doesn't hate you. Take into consideration that what you do might miff other people. I am only angry at you for what you are doing, not angry against you as a person. There is still hope of solving your problems with all of us in the class. Just clean up your act and you'll see...

this is going to get locked in at least 24 hours, maybe less

Redrayzor, all you say is phony stuff that you make up. I am not convincing my buddy about the stupid things that you have done, you are doing that yourself with your crazy attitude (like that one time when your blew up after I type "cousins" instead of "cousin" because I had a possessive typo).

Now GeneralYao, you are so wrong. "I am obviously in denial" is not true. You two are in denial about you two being cousins. If you two aren't cousins and never met each other in real life, how do you know the nationality of each other???

And I take that as a racist act that just because I have a black name (Mr. T) that you think I'm black. Do you think all people with the name Mr. T are black. And do you think black babies are stupider than white or Asian babies? Because you seem to imply that when you say "formulate your words".

Na, I'm just messing with you. I not really black. But still, if I was black, I might see that post and take it as a racist comment and alert the police.

And to answer Frop question, we are discussing this in the forum because in if it was in class, then we would have to solve it with fist(which could get bad(for Redrayzor at least)), not words. See here, we can accuse each other of stuff and have proof to prove it.