Conquer Club

Suspect users: <wilderbest>

Game number: 1540383

Comments: Wilderbeast is not a multi and there was no secret alliance as this was a two person game but he admits to something else which may be against conquerclub rules. Apparently he allows his friends to use his account so that they do not have to pay for premium. I wouldn't make a big deal of this if it weren't for the fact that he is an unpleasant player as well. Here is an in game quote.

"2008-01-08 14:48:38 - wilderbeast: ... my room-mates play plenty of games on my account, I will let them do it because I have premium for now and they can do it without being called a multy"

I guess you could argue that this account is a multi as his friends play on other accounts in addition to this one, but it isn't like they were teaming up in a game or something. I just don't like beating an account and then being told that I beat someone else. Poor form wouldn't you say?

Anyhow if we can share premium accounts let me know because I have some friends who may want to split the tab with me. I could get the same service for half the fee...

he has no roommates, he claims hes the best and he never loses. if he starts to lose, he will claim that it was his roommates playing, if he is winning, then he will claim that it is him. most annoying player on here imo

sigh, tis an old story, yet one nobody seems to want to accept. I'll give the short version.

Hello. My name is (you guys can call me beast, I havent given my name to CC). I am a business student at the College of the North Atlantic campus, I captain our college's football and Soccer teams, and I wrestle as a hobby. I work 2 jobs, one being a retail convenience store employee and another being a bilingual translater (english to french and french to english)

When I'm not in class, out with friends or playing sports I'm likely in a dorm studying, and of course, playing some friendly online risk. In my dorm I have some room-mates (naturally, you know, thats how it goes). Fans of Risk that they are (although not too talented I assure you), They like playing games as well. At one point they tried playing seperate accounts. They played against each other and against CC community members, only to be accused of multing.

So what then? They were declared innocent after the investigation and to avoid problems I've agreed to allow them to play games on my account. I've gone over specifications and such with members in authority and I can assure you there is no illegal activity taking place. They've got their own accounts they can play with sure, but they are sick of being accused of multing and dont want to be overly limited on who they can play and whatnot, some of it doesnt even make sense to me. But If they want to play games on my account (possible because I've recieved a premium gift), I allow them to. I enjoy my time on this site, and so do they.

Now, some basic facts please...

My room-mates are individuals. They have lives, they are studying, have jobs, have hobbies and enjoy playing this game.

Whether or not a player is winning has nothing to do with who it is. If I'm playing the game and losing, then I'm losing. If my room-mates are playing a game and losing, they're losing. If you want to know who your playing... ask.

"Hey, just wondering, is this Beast playing the game or Dave or Zach or who?"

Its not that difficult.


Finally...

I (and my room-mates) Have little to nothing to prove.

I'm sorry, I know it hurts but I have no reason to lie about anything. They have no reason to lie. This is an online game for amusement. We follow the rules, we (well I, anyway, the others are comming along ) play well and enjoy the game.

When they play seperate their accused of multing, when they play on just my account their told they dont exist. There is just no way the community is respecting them at all outside of the mods and higher up members who are acknowledging their patience and support and are doing everything possible to help them feel welcome. Maybe instead of getting irritated that you played my room-mate you could just treat them with the same respect you'd treat anyone else?


My room-mates do not deserve the disrespect of people saying "they dont exist" they dont deserve the blatant insults. Frankly neither do I. I am a competitive individual and I admit I like to excel at everything I try. This game is no different, nor is Chess. Its about matching my intellect vs the intellect of my opponent(s).

I've tried to get my room-mates to get in the habit of alerting players when they play and sometimes they do, I dont know if most of the time it just slips their mind and they just play the game and leave but I make a point of having players know when their playing me. I get inside heads and I taunt and I outplay and I just disect my opponents

I dont feel the need to prove anything and I just feel sorry for my room-mates that they come here expecting to play against mature players from a worldwide base and they get treated like trash by people easily mistaken for 5 year olds. Its not necessary, its not acceptable and to me it just demonstrates a lack of maturity. If you have an issue with me, beat me ingame. Otherwise I'm not interested in hearing pointless babble.

PS: hwrett(or whatever) I have never said I've never lost. I've lost quite a bit of team games and I've even gone on record for losing 9 singles games sense joining CC. I've played about 500 of the games (maybe just over now) on my account and I've had a great time. I'm looking to see someone step up in CC with a 95% win rate. I would love to see it and maybe I'd build up some sort of tizzie for that game lol. I have yet to see someone who's played 500 games and only 9 singles losses, I'll continue to look tho.

i think your full of shit beast..LMAO

sigh lol this should be in flame wars if its to be continued, not in the cheating and abuse thread because clearly neither is happening but what is happening is a whole lot of slander and that belongs in Flame Wars

Hulmey I told you I have no reason to lie. Why cant my room-mates enjoy this site like everyone else? When they play seperately they're accused of cheating, otherwise their accused of not being alive. Theres no winning and its a pointless argument. Whats true is true no matter how much you dnot believe it is so.

now im kinda curious tho, is it within the rules, to have several ppl playing with one premium account?

Yup. we talked with lack and were told as long as we werent multing or forming secret alliances it was ok. (numerous players to 1 account is different than 1 player to numerous accounts)

Again? Sigh!

I know, its ridiculous. People just lay off, If you want to know if you are playing beast, just ask him ingame, if it turns out your not playing him than at least you'll know who your playing.

so its legal for a group of people to use the same account to avoid being accused of being multis, does that mean it is also legal for a group of people to use the same account to avoid paying $25 each, this doesnt seem right to me. seems like some rule that is just waiting to be written down.

actually, i looked around and saw wicked here clearly stating that using another persons account is ok ONLY for babysitting, and ONLY temporarily, and that anyone doing this will be busted.

there's only 1 person on that account wilderbeast.

to claim he played 500 games and lost just 9 and the other losses are from his friends is absurd.

let's do the math.

total games for the account 1180
total wins 545
win percentage 46%
score 1483

games by wilderbeast 500
wins by wilderbeast 491
win percentage 98%
assuming 10 points per game it would mean if what wilderbeast is saying he'd have almost 6 thousand points.

games by other 2 people 680
wins by other 2 people 54
win percentage 8%
score: incredibly low. under 100

so judging by what wilderbeast is saying he's the most talented risk player on earth and he would kick anybody's ass with his hands tied behind his back while juggling flaming bowling balls on his willy.
unfortunately he has 2 retarded room mates that are so stupid a plant would look like einstein compared to them.

sorry wilderbeast but 1. nobody is that good at risk and if he is then he won't allow other people to spoil his rank
2. nobody is that retarded like your room mates to have just 8% wins. and if indeed they are so retarded then i highly doubt they would be admitted in an university. i mean come on anybody that can spell and add 2 and 2 can at least maintain over 800 points.

grow up mate and admit you're just an average player. there's no shame in that. or at least learn to lie better. claim you have like 60% win average that would still be impressive.

hwhrhett wrote:so its legal for a group of people to use the same account to avoid being accused of being multis, does that mean it is also legal for a group of people to use the same account to avoid paying $25 each, this doesnt seem right to me. seems like some rule that is just waiting to be written down.

if wat he sais its true then his points get affected alot.
so y would any high ranked person want to share his account(glory) with someone else just to save himslef like 25 dollars?

cho a$$ up wrote:

hwhrhett wrote:so its legal for a group of people to use the same account to avoid being accused of being multis, does that mean it is also legal for a group of people to use the same account to avoid paying $25 each, this doesnt seem right to me. seems like some rule that is just waiting to be written down.

if wat he sais its true then his points get affected alot.
so y would any high ranked person want to share his account(glory) with someone else just to save himslef like 25 dollars?

there are no "roommates". it is only wilderbeast, but i would love to see him have to admit that, or be busted, lol.

sigh. I am saying this yet again.

There are room-mates and to avoid being accused of multing I've talked to multi hunters and others and have been told it was ok for them to play games on my account as long as there is no multing or secret alliance.

Hwrett your theory of room-mates not being real has another hole blown in it by you saying: "Id like him to admit that or be busted" If I would be busted it would be for having room-mates playing on my account, thus they'd be real and you proven to have no idea what your talking about. "Hey, Beast has room-mates playing on his account, no fair!" "oh? What room-mates?" "Idunno, the ones that dont exist" Can you see the irony?

DiM... your leaving out a number of team losses on my account. I'm not claiming to be the greatest risk player in the world, I'm sure theres some people out there that play the game very well and would be a huge challenge, in the meantime I've yet to find it on CC in singles competition so I branch into doubles where I'm not so strong because 70% of my game is to manipulate others. Doing so in team-games is impossible and thus I have got to get used to re-adjusting strategy. For this reason I'm not incredibly strong at doubles. I've lost a good number, In regards to singles matches I've not lost 10 yet in 500 played games.

As for how my room-mate (well 1 guy in particular, another takes the game partially seriously but a huge reason for the decrease in rank was the one guy I'll tell you about)

He sits down to play a game, its his first round, attack, attack, attack, attack, no 3s or 2s left to attack with? Bummer. Well, that was fun.

No joke. His logic behind that is: "Its win win haha, if I get lucky I take alot of territory, if I dont get lucky, my weakness will be underestimated"

I'm not even kidding its hilarious the way he brings it accross but it happens. I know he's joking and is just doing it to get under my skin and see what he can do to make an outrageous game but he has fun doing it. I'm not going to tell him he cant enjoy himself on CC.

I dont necessarily care about making claims that are "impressive" I have no reason to lie and it would be useless to, theres nothing to get out of it. I'm also not a rank chaser, No point having high rank if I'm not having fun. Some players balance fun and high ranks well (congrats) but I go to college with these guys, I know these guys, I hang out with these guys, I'm not putting CC rank ahead of them having some fun as well. At the end of the day I go to bed or to work thinking about the next class assignement due, the next football game we've godda play or the next job translation document, I dont go to bed thinking about CC. Sorry guys. For that reason I dont care about making "impressive" statements, I just state the truth, I've yet to find much competition in singles play because I just bulldoze through opponents in that class of game. I'm sure I'll definately run into an impressive player tho, funny thing is I'm 90% sure it'll be some up and commer cook that plays a few games with me and probably (who knows) wins a series against me. Its not the ammount of time here that dictates a players skill. You'd be surprised how many cooks outskill our "conquerors" but lack the time on the site.

wilderbeast wrote:PS: hwrett(or whatever) I have never said I've never lost.

wilderbeast wrote: In regards to singles matches I've not lost 10 yet in 500 played games.

lol.

hwhrhett wrote:

wilderbeast wrote:PS: hwrett(or whatever) I have never said I've never lost.

wilderbeast wrote: In regards to singles matches I've not lost 10 yet in 500 played games.

lol.

Wilderbeast Get's pwned.

Its not the fact that your room mates are playing on your account! Its the fact that you going round saying you are the best risk player on the site blah blah fucking blah. Theres enough big heads on this site as it is without you sticking your 2 pence in here and there.

Why couldnt you just say yeah my scores quite low but thats because i share my account and my room mates are useless!!!

genuine question Hulmey. I've been asked by alot of people and thus given the name "Ultimate predator". If Someone comes to me telling me "your rank is proof that your not a better player" Then I clarify for them the stats. pure and simple.


And Hwrett, please read the quote carefully. "I never said I have never lost" I said I havent lost 10 games. Theres a difference, I've lost 9 singles games. Thats not the same as never losing. So your point is disregarded.

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wilderbeast wrote:genuine question Hulmey. I've been asked by alot of people and thus given the name "Ultimate predator". If Someone comes to me telling me "your rank is proof that your not a better player" Then I clarify for them the stats. pure and simple.

ive never known it to be neccessary for someone to ask for you to inform them, lol.


where are the mods? how come it is only legal for wilderbeast? is it because you know he is lying about having roommates?

hwhrhett wrote:

wilderbeast wrote:genuine question Hulmey. I've been asked by alot of people and thus given the name "Ultimate predator". If Someone comes to me telling me "your rank is proof that your not a better player" Then I clarify for them the stats. pure and simple.

ive never known it to be neccessary for someone to ask for you to inform them, lol.


where are the mods? how come it is only legal for wilderbeast? is it because you know he is lying about having roommates?

i think you've answered your own question. wilderbeast is just an average player with a big mouth. i almost pee myself reading his absurd claims. 9 losses in 500 singles games (with an average of 3-4 players per game)

98.2 win percentage in singles.

wilderbeast wrote:genuine question Hulmey. I've been asked by alot of people and thus given the name "Ultimate predator". If Someone comes to me telling me "your rank is proof that your not a better player" Then I clarify for them the stats. pure and simple.


And Hwrett, please read the quote carefully. "I never said I have never lost" I said I havent lost 10 games. Theres a difference, I've lost 9 singles games. Thats not the same as never losing. So your point is disregarded.

Whats the question?
You want us to prove that a higher rank is not the better player?

KoE_Sirius wrote:

wilderbeast wrote:genuine question Hulmey. I've been asked by alot of people and thus given the name "Ultimate predator". If Someone comes to me telling me "your rank is proof that your not a better player" Then I clarify for them the stats. pure and simple.


And Hwrett, please read the quote carefully. "I never said I have never lost" I said I havent lost 10 games. Theres a difference, I've lost 9 singles games. Thats not the same as never losing. So your point is disregarded.

Whats the question?
You want us to prove that a higher rank is not the better player?

wilderbeast is right. the top players suck they all cheat for points.

I AM THE BEST PLAYER.

check my stats

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DiM
Rank:      Major
Score:     2646
Games:     498 Completed, 269 (54%) Won

all the wins are mine. i have a perfect record. 100% wins.
all the losses come from the other 2 that share my account.

the first is a senile hobo that lives in a cardboard box on the street. he likes playing on my account and sexually harassing the other players. he always autoattacks everything for the sexual thrill.

the other one is my plant. it just likes to sit on the keyboard. needless to say it has no strategy at all. but it smells nice. unlike the hobo.

so there you have it i have 269 wins from 269 games. i'm the BEST.

oh and i own wilderbeast because despite having a plant and a hobo use my account i still have more points than wilder.

i'm thinking about getting rid of the plant though. it leaves dirt on my keyboard. the hobo is cool though because he pays for premium from what he earns begging on the sidewalk.

oh and btw i just calculated my potential score and the windows computer crashed. it doesn't accept more than 32 digits.

No word of a lie DiM?
Ah you are the bomb...100% win ratio and a pet hobo to take care of your every wish.
Can the plant do anything else?
Venus might Eat the hobo if you shut her out.