Conquer Club

Subject line: GreatWhite is either a cheater or a multi


These are suspected Multis/Secret Alliance: Jetbo187, LocalMotion, Bigt28129

Game number: http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=1423549

Comments: GreatWhite agreed to a specific strategy and then did the exact opposite in order to prevent the 3rd member of our team from acquiring an easy bonus. When I questioned him on this he accused me of bullying him. It seemed like maybe an innocent mistake at the time. I pm'd the 3rd member of our team and he also thought it seemed very strange. (Khiestand)

We were down 3 vs. 2, but I still managed to eliminate the other 2 players. The other team had only one remaining player (Jetbo187) and could easily have been attacked as I fortified GreatWhite to do so.

Instead, he attacked me. There was only one member of the opposing team remaining and he attacked me instead. That is obvious cheating. Please ban GreatWhite from this site.

I've been on this site for over a year now and I this is the first time I've written a complaint against another player. I am totally convinced that he was cheating for the other team, if not a multi.

Sincerely, Luns 101

Thank you for your time and consideration

hes not a multi

he attacked his team 1 time the entire game and it may be because he needed to get a card.

I dont think so, at best it was a bad move, but a worse one would have been attacking with his four, and losing, thereby sealing his death... unless you had a bunch on the one he attacked, and not a one, i think it was just calculated hope that he survives... perhaps it would have been better to kill one in the south, but for all you know he misdeployed on yorkshire, by accident

I really dont see him dumping 60 points to some privates.. .none of this adds up. did you really think about it first???

im not at all saying its impossible, CC history has shown that no one is above suspicion entirely... if someone posted that I was cheating, id check the games to make sure before defending myself too but this one seems to make no sense

sorry guys but if you saw the gamechat you might think differently. You also didn't see the map at the time of his last attack. Khiestand even told me in a pm that he was playing very strangely.

did he attack more than a one on that attack? with a bigger force?

AAFitz wrote:did he attack more than a one on that attack? with a bigger force?

No, but on the opening move he refused to pass along his armies so Khiestand could get a bonus. Instead he stockpiled them in order to stop him (khiestand) from getting a bonus. It also left him totally open to elimination. I can understand him making a mistake and missing a fortification since everyone makes mistakes. But he simply wouldn't pass them along after a 2nd request and said I was "bullying" him.

Nobody makes 3 stupid mistakes in a row. It was obvious he was blocking Khiestand from being able to obtain a bonus.

well, the only other move he could have made on his turn, was deploying in the southeast, and killing one of yellows men, which wouldnt have changed his odds of getting killed very much... he may actually have been trying to insure he got a card with the few guys you had given him, and trying to hold out

no matter what he did on his turn, he was probably going to be killed

actually attacking a 2 with a 4 when you have 6 armies left may be a worse option than actually hoping to hold out... id have made the attack, but from the sounds of the chat, it seems as though it got heated, and he may have been rebeling against being told what to do, not so much throw the game...

thats risk every partner takes when suggesting advice... myself, i wouldnt tell him what to do in any game that i played him as a partner

again, I could be wrong here, he could very well be deciding that today is the day hes is the point robinhood, and is helping out low ranked teams in CC, but I kind of doubt it. And if he actually knew one of those players, and wanted to help them get points... it would be easier for him to just join thier games and help them win points... not lose points to them

I think you know all this, and this is a flame war to be honest. Unless hes doing this in multiple games, I think everyone knows this means nothing

AAFitz wrote:well, the only other move he could have made on his turn, was deploying in the southeast, and killing one of yellows men, which wouldnt have changed his odds of getting killed very much... he may actually have been trying to insure he got a card with the few guys you had given him, and trying to hold out

no matter what he did on his turn, he was probably going to be killed

actually attacking a 2 with a 4 when you have 6 armies left may be a worse option than actually hoping to hold out... id have made the attack, but from the sounds of the chat, it seems as though it got heated, and he may have been rebeling against being told what to do, not so much throw the game...

thats risk every partner takes when suggesting advice... myself, i wouldnt tell him what to do in any game that i played him as a partner

again, I could be wrong here, he could very well be deciding that today is the day hes is the point robinhood, and is helping out low ranked teams in CC, but I kind of doubt it. And if he actually knew one of those players, and wanted to help them get points... it would be easier for him to just join thier games and help them win points... not lose points to them

I think you know all this, and this is a flame war to be honest. Unless hes doing this in multiple games, I think everyone knows this means nothing

I though about all that for awhile. There were just too many suspect moves against the third player on our team and then not at least trying to attack the opposition for it to be a coincidence. This wasn't meant to be a flame war. However if he's not banned then at least others will put him on their ignore list and won't have to go through the same thing.

Just thought I'd add my pm with khiestand to give this more context:

khiestand wrote:I thought your strategy was fine. What I don't get is that even if he disagreed, he never said anything or offered alternatives. It's as if he decided really quickly that he wasn't going to let us win.

Very very strange...

so I wasn't the only one thinking that his gameplay was suspect. Thanks for your input, AA.

well, I know youre reasonable, which is the only reason i added my thoughts here. I can guarantee he wont get banned, or warned. Even if he was killing you in one game, that isnt necessarily against the rules. players turn on each other all the time over disagreements. Its only multiple cases that would get the mods attention.

And in this case it could be poor decisions....almost impossible to tell, but If there was a cheating thread for every game I massively screwed up...well, there'd be one or two....

I suppose theres nothing wrong with a quick IP check of anyone really. But im pretty sure this was perhaps just a personality clash and no form of cheating whatsoever.

You could always post the game chat here.

hehehehe too funny and ya Lans is a genius to figger it out, That boy doesn't have too much time on his hands

Greatwhite wrote:hehehehe too funny and ya Lans is a genius to figger it out, That boy doesn't have too much time on his hands

You better be French...

I've played many a game with him and he never raised any suspicion. He has played consistently throughout all of them and I wouldn't even dare consider him a multi at this point. Apart from that mistakes are human.

Greatwhite is not a multi Luns. I have played several games with him and at no time did I ever get this impression. Did he make a bad move at one point? Possibly, as do we all on occasion. Greatwhite is a great addition to any triples team. Not too mention, who would want to lose 60 points in one game? I would reconsider this post Luns.

codeblue1018 wrote:Greatwhite is not a multi Luns. I have played several games with him and at no time did I ever get this impression. Did he make a bad move at one point? Possibly, as do we all on occasion. Greatwhite is a great addition to any triples team. Not too mention, who would want to lose 60 points in one game? I would reconsider this post Luns.

I'd also consider withdrawing that horrible negative feedback you left for GW, luns. It's very ill-mannered to leave scathing FB even though this 'investigation' is still pending (and I'd gladly eat my hat if GW turned out to be a multi).

Frop wrote:

codeblue1018 wrote:Greatwhite is not a multi Luns. I have played several games with him and at no time did I ever get this impression. Did he make a bad move at one point? Possibly, as do we all on occasion. Greatwhite is a great addition to any triples team. Not too mention, who would want to lose 60 points in one game? I would reconsider this post Luns.

I'd also consider withdrawing that horrible negative feedback you left for GW, luns. It's very ill-mannered to leave scathing FB even though this 'investigation' is still pending (and I'd gladly eat my hat if GW turned out to be a multi).

Luns is a very respectable person and player. I am sure he has thought this out very carefully before posting here and leaving the negative feedback. He would not have made this accusation unless he thought it had some merit. In the meantime, lets refrain from judgements about his motives and "ill mannered" actions and let the mods do their investigation.

Also, luns, copy and paste the team chat from the game here if you feel it will help your case.

luns101 wrote:Subject line: GreatWhite is either a cheater or a multi


These are suspected Multis/Secret Alliance: Jetbo187, LocalMotion, Bigt28129

Game number: http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=1423549

Comments: GreatWhite agreed to a specific strategy and then did the exact opposite in order to prevent the 3rd member of our team from acquiring an easy bonus. When I questioned him on this he accused me of bullying him. It seemed like maybe an innocent mistake at the time. I pm'd the 3rd member of our team and he also thought it seemed very strange. (Khiestand)

We were down 3 vs. 2, but I still managed to eliminate the other 2 players. The other team had only one remaining player (Jetbo187) and could easily have been attacked as I fortified GreatWhite to do so.

Instead, he attacked me. There was only one member of the opposing team remaining and he attacked me instead. That is obvious cheating. Please ban GreatWhite from this site.

I've been on this site for over a year now and I this is the first time I've written a complaint against another player. I am totally convinced that he was cheating for the other team, if not a multi.

Sincerely, Luns 101

Thank you for your time and consideration

wow, another maybe? have the mods said anything yet?

enough already, I appreciate the support of some real Riskers here but I could give a shit what imaginary people on the internet think I do or don't do. I have a 63 % win average and 500 more points than Luns, The logic here of why I would lose 52 points on purpose to some beginners I don't even know is ludicrous.
But lets give the cooks and coporals their due, we were once all beginners here. Just because you don't have 'rank' here doesn't mean you aren't a good Risk player. Risk wasn't invented at CC. The best players in the world are the ones that grew up playing the board game all night with their buds until someone either vomited on the board or threw the damn thing off the table.
When we forget that we aren't invincible at the game or that we should never lose to a 'cook' then we have lost perspective.
Now either apologise to me or piss off and delete my membership.
Enough of this soap opera, its a game. If you can't lose with dignity and accept there is not only skill but pure dumb luck involved go play scrabble with the ladies..

luns101 wrote:sorry guys but if you saw the gamechat you might think differently. You also didn't see the map at the time of his last attack. Khiestand even told me in a pm that he was playing very strangely.

Welcome to my ignore list (or I might be tempted to attack you, same team or not.)

Hrvat wrote:

luns101 wrote:sorry guys but if you saw the gamechat you might think differently. You also didn't see the map at the time of his last attack. Khiestand even told me in a pm that he was playing very strangely.

Welcome to my ignore list (or I might be tempted to attack you, same team or not.)

Psh, why put Luns on your ignore list? He is an honourable player, and is easy to get points off!

keyborn wrote:Luns is a very respectable person and player. I am sure he has thought this out very carefully before posting here and leaving the negative feedback. He would not have made this accusation unless he thought it had some merit. In the meantime, lets refrain from judgements about his motives and "ill mannered" actions and let the mods do their investigation.

Also, luns, copy and paste the team chat from the game here if you feel it will help your case.

I'm merely presenting my opinion based on the posts in this thread. Whether or not luns is a respectable player is unknown to me, but I do know that accusing GW in this particular scenario just reeks of paranoia.

First of all his recent playing history shows no signs of multis or secret alliances. Secondly, it would be completely illogical to pass the 60 odd points to your freemium multi.

Furthermore I have gotten to know GW as a respectable player. I've played 28 triples with him and we've won 25 of them. The 3 we lost we got beaten fair and square by other fine players, so no signs of passing on points there as well.

If (against all odds) he does turn out to be a multi in the end I couldn't care less what feedback luns leaves for him. I still think it would be best to remove it pending the investigation (and of course a sincere, heartfelt apology if GW gets cleared).

Hrvat wrote:

luns101 wrote:sorry guys but if you saw the gamechat you might think differently. You also didn't see the map at the time of his last attack. Khiestand even told me in a pm that he was playing very strangely.

Welcome to my ignore list (or I might be tempted to attack you, same team or not.)

And I welcome both you and GreatWhite to mine. I've got a ton of respect for luns and he doesn't accuse people of cheating unless it's earned.

CoffeeCream wrote:

Hrvat wrote:

luns101 wrote:sorry guys but if you saw the gamechat you might think differently. You also didn't see the map at the time of his last attack. Khiestand even told me in a pm that he was playing very strangely.

Welcome to my ignore list (or I might be tempted to attack you, same team or not.)

And I welcome both you and GreatWhite to mine. I've got a ton of respect for luns and he doesn't accuse people of cheating unless it's earned.

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welcome to mine as greatwhite is a XI member, ive played games with him and hes a very pleasant person to have in the game

and luns is just whining

CoffeeCream wrote:

Hrvat wrote:

luns101 wrote:sorry guys but if you saw the gamechat you might think differently. You also didn't see the map at the time of his last attack. Khiestand even told me in a pm that he was playing very strangely.

Welcome to my ignore list (or I might be tempted to attack you, same team or not.)

And I welcome both you and GreatWhite to mine. I've got a ton of respect for luns and he doesn't accuse people of cheating unless it's earned.

Who are you?

I know luns, and I know Greatwhite, and however much of a pain in the Butt Greatwhite is during the games (telling others how to play etc.) he's still a very solid player, and I really don't mind him doing that, because that's how we all learn, by someone telling (or showing) us what we're doing wrong, and helping us a long!
He's a very solid doubles/ triples player (both are) and I am 99.9999% sure that Greatwhite is NOT a multi.

As for Coffee, honestly, who are you?
I've never seen you before, and I really don't think anyone cares if you put them on your "ignore list" because it may be a blessing in disguise!

Thanks,
-John

john1099 wrote:As for Coffee, honestly, who are you?
I've never seen you before, and I really don't think anyone cares if you put them on your "ignore list" because it may be a blessing in disguise!

Thanks,
-John

I came on CC last summer. I like to play Terminator games the most. I'm surprised you haven't seen me in the Intelligent Konversation forum! I'm almost always arguing with tonka.