Conquer Club

In the Game 1132035, here is the Game Chat contents (so far):

2007-11-02 19:19:42 - SaintCrispy: good luck all
2007-11-02 20:32:16 - gskur: hi all & gl
2007-11-02 21:34:20 - SaintCrispy: shutup nigger

Does this site tolerate open and ridiculously pointless, stupid bigotry?

It shouldn't be tolerated, but it is

Add him to your ignore list

somebody called me a wasp.

should that get a free pass?


i think your to hyporsensative, maybe you should take a break fromt his site.
go play hangman or something.


ut oh, did i say a bad word?

xtratabasco wrote:somebody called me a wasp.

should that get a free pass?


i think your to hyporsensative, maybe you should take a break fromt his site.
go play hangman or something.


ut oh, did i say a bad word?

Heh, you make me giggle, like the little school girl I am.

misterman10 wrote:It shouldn't be tolerated, but it is

agree totally. Its the only thing that spoils this great site.

why oh why do we have to put up with such idiots?

yorkiepeter wrote:

misterman10 wrote:It shouldn't be tolerated, but it is

agree totally. Its the only thing that spoils this great site.

why oh why do we have to put up with such idiots?

you dont

thats why there is an ignore list

Didnt saintcrispy have his account hacked? hence y some of his posts were so ridiculous and edited by mods.......

cena-rules wrote:

yorkiepeter wrote:

misterman10 wrote:It shouldn't be tolerated, but it is

agree totally. Its the only thing that spoils this great site.

why oh why do we have to put up with such idiots?

you dont

thats why there is an ignore list

if i were to call someone a nigger in the pub, the landlord would (quite rightly) throw me, out not tell everyone who doesn't like it to ignore me.

why doesn't our landlord here do the same? have we no standards?

Now, the website management have REMOVED both of the SaintCrispy's lines quoted above, only my posting remains there.

This is so-o-o-o whimpy! and, oh, is so-o-o-o wrong as well: not only SaintCrispy is not punished for the unacceptably behavior but there is NO EVIDENCE of his/her wrongdoing any longer.

Unimaginably silly, isn't it? And quite immature to boot. They should have erased the offender immediately but left the posts, not the other way around, I say, or just stay out of it altogether. Yeah, wimps they are!

gskur wrote:In the Game 1132035, here is the Game Chat contents (so far):

2007-11-02 19:19:42 - SaintCrispy: good luck all
2007-11-02 20:32:16 - gskur: hi all & gl
2007-11-02 21:34:20 - SaintCrispy: shutup nigger

Does this site tolerate open and ridiculously pointless, stupid bigotry?

It's an abhorrent word and one which i personally would never use!

But are you in fact Black Gskur? And if you are how could the offender possibly know?

I know this seems a moot point but you have to consider the reclaiming of the word by black people of a certain generation and it's change of use in modern day youth culture.

You see, me being white i would in no way take offense if someone called me a 'Nigger' .. i would likely think that the talker was an idiot .. unless they were saying it in parody.

What i am saying is this may not have been said with racist intent it could have been just an idiot parroting what he had heard 'on the street' said with a posh English accent! ... or on television.

Hey gskur,

Sorry, just getting around to this one.

First off, we don't delete game chats at all, if you aren't seeing his messages any more it's because you have him on ignore.

As to the 2 posts he made in the forum - editing them is the fastest way to stop them from turning into the flames that people like this want to happen.

It looks like his account was taken over by someone he knows - if he has joined games and become abusive I will be busting him soon.

Please keep me up to date on his language and actions in your games so that I can take action (you can imagine me filtering through all the game logs might take a while )

Sorry for the slow response
Twill

You always have to have the last word don't you Twill!

(lockit now, quick)

Twill wrote:Hey gskur,

Sorry, just getting around to this one.

First off, we don't delete game chats at all, if you aren't seeing his messages any more it's because you have him on ignore.

As to the 2 posts he made in the forum - editing them is the fastest way to stop them from turning into the flames that people like this want to happen.

It looks like his account was taken over by someone he knows - if he has joined games and become abusive I will be busting him soon.

Please keep me up to date on his language and actions in your games so that I can take action (you can imagine me filtering through all the game logs might take a while )

Sorry for the slow response
Twill

How is he supposed to do that if he's on his ignore list?

To Twill:

My bad, Twill: I did have him added to my "ignore" list---he is the first and the only one there---so now I cannot see his posts. I do sincerely apologize for my bitter(?) remarks above!

To jiminsky:

But are you in fact Black Gskur? And if you are how could the offender possibly know?

True, the offender could not know this, be it one way or another. However, my or anybody else's race (even SaintCrispy's!) is of no real relevance to the incident. Besides, if one wants to see it as a relevant factor here, this person would undoubtedly and inevitably work himself into believing it being one way or another, regardless of what might be asserted by others. I am not implying you being on this path, simply pointing out the inappropriateness of the very question you posed.

I know this seems a moot point but you have to consider the reclaiming of the word by black people of a certain generation and it's change of use in modern day youth culture.

I see your point here. However, it should not be used out of the blue, definitely not to anyone you do not know, and ABSOLUTELY NOT in a public forum. Besides, it is clearly not used in a way or in a context a black person would use it (as far as I know)---which unequivocally tells anyone with a good ear for languages that SaintCrispy is one dumb (lol) white dude.

You see, me being white i would in no way take offense if someone called me a 'Nigger' .. i would likely think that the talker was an idiot .. unless they were saying it in parody.

Oh, his is and idiot all right for a simple FU would suffice (although as pointless)... but what he did is thoroughly disgusting and I still take offense!

What i am saying is this may not have been said with racist intent it could have been just an idiot parroting what he had heard 'on the street' said with a posh English accent! ... or on television.

This could be true, I'd agree with you, but only if this person has quite recently moved into the real world from somewhere, say, in the Eastern Europe, like Russia or Poland, where they have no long-standing real history of racism but, rather, a prominent one of brutal nationalism. So, if it is something like that, this SaintCrispy guy must be a very-very stupid person not to understand what he's doing. I think his overall game record does not warrant this (desirable) possibility, wouldn't you agree?

I'd say, ban guys like this immediately, no questions asked! Soon they will tire of signing up and go somewhere else. Besides, if anyone took over my account, I'd be begging for cancellation.

I think you've taken my post, broken it down and created an alternative context which i had not implied.

I am not sticking up for the use of the word in any way! As i qualified initially, for me the word has a history so as to make it taboo.. Perhaps in fact my only Taboo in language!
The point I was making is that, how can a word or phrase (particularly this word which is ambiguous as to intent in todays world) be directed as a racist attack when your race can not be discerned?


And as we now have a generation of people who use the word without the original context in mind. Not in any way as racist derogation.

This is not about unconsciously racist Eastern Europeans, it is about young white people, yellow people, brown people.. hey why not green people who have been influenced by the prevalent urban street culture which is largely dominated by African Americanisms.

Again sorry to go off track and if you are a black American and you were hit by a clumsy, ill-aimed, ignorant shock of resonance... you should indeed not have to put up with it.

I am merely trying to add some possible context to this strange and pathetic piece of language used in game chat. In doing so i am trying to remove the possibly sinister connotation which you have obviously alloted to it.

it's cool, jiminski. I am sure we are on the same page so please do not take my comments as any kind of criticism of you: I was just putting some meat on that bone is all. And I appologize for for misspelling your name earlier (with a "y" at the end, that is---it's motor memory in my fingers: mine just happens to end with "sky" )

gskur wrote:it's cool, jiminski. I am sure we are on the same page so please do not take my comments as any kind of criticism of you: I was just putting some meat on that bone is all. And I appologize for for misspelling your name earlier (with a "y" at the end, that is---it's motor memory in my fingers: mine just happens to end with "sky" )

Never any offense taken on that one mate! Spell it however you like!


hahaha i feel all warm inside.

good luck gs.

jiminski wrote:I think you've taken my post, broken it down and created an alternative context which i had not implied.

I am not sticking up for the use of the word in any way! As i qualified initially, for me the word has a history so as to make it taboo.. Perhaps in fact my only Taboo in language!
The point I was making is that, how can a word or phrase (particularly this word which is ambiguous as to intent in todays world) be directed as a racist attack when your race can not be discerned?


And as we now have a generation of people who use the word without the original context in mind. Not in any way as racist derogation.

This is not about unconsciously racist Eastern Europeans, it is about young white people, yellow people, brown people.. hey why not green people who have been influenced by the prevalent urban street culture which is largely dominated by African Americanisms.

Again sorry to go off track and if you are a black American and you were hit by a clumsy, ill-aimed, ignorant shock of resonance... you should indeed not have to put up with it.

I am merely trying to add some possible context to this strange and pathetic piece of language used in game chat. In doing so i am trying to remove the possibly sinister connotation which you have obviously alloted to it.

Please do not try and defend a obviously racist word it shows how either out of touch you are with society or that you are a undercover racist. The word is a derogatory term and cannot be justified and as far as black People which I fall amongst that category we use the term amongst are selves of Nigga and while on the surface to the ignorant it may seem the same it hase develop different meaning and is often thought of amongst the community as an acronym Never Igonrant Getting Goal Accomplished so pleaser do not speak on what you cannot understand...

Soloman wrote:

jiminski wrote:I think you've taken my post, broken it down and created an alternative context which i had not implied.

I am not sticking up for the use of the word in any way! As i qualified initially, for me the word has a history so as to make it taboo.. Perhaps in fact my only Taboo in language!
The point I was making is that, how can a word or phrase (particularly this word which is ambiguous as to intent in todays world) be directed as a racist attack when your race can not be discerned?


And as we now have a generation of people who use the word without the original context in mind. Not in any way as racist derogation.

This is not about unconsciously racist Eastern Europeans, it is about young white people, yellow people, brown people.. hey why not green people who have been influenced by the prevalent urban street culture which is largely dominated by African Americanisms.

Again sorry to go off track and if you are a black American and you were hit by a clumsy, ill-aimed, ignorant shock of resonance... you should indeed not have to put up with it.

I am merely trying to add some possible context to this strange and pathetic piece of language used in game chat. In doing so i am trying to remove the possibly sinister connotation which you have obviously alloted to it.

Please do not try and defend a obviously racist word it shows how either out of touch you are with society or that you are a undercover racist. The word is a derogatory term and cannot be justified and as far as black People which I fall amongst that category we use the term amongst are selves of Nigga and while on the surface to the ignorant it may seem the same it hase develop different meaning and is often thought of amongst the community as an acronym Never Igonrant Getting Goal Accomplished so pleaser do not speak on what you cannot understand...

hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe.. that's good Soli. hehehehehe ahh thank you!

and you felt the need to comment on this 7 months after the fact why?


-tig

This isn't a current issue, so locked.