Conquer Club

Accused:

nygoody
Bklyn


The accused are suspected of:

Being Multis
Conducting Secret Diplomacy


Game number(s):

Game 21997372



Comments:This is the game that I am playing with them in. It wasnt obvious at first , but as the game progressed it became more apparent that green would only attack me to help red build and fortify. Even as the game is now winding down green only attacks me as red holds half of the board. I clicked on both of their names and it looks like they have a history of this in 3 player games. I would bet the win 75-80% of their games like this.

good luck with your submission. I've turned in more than my share of these and most were upheld. brace yourself for comments from others that find it whining, but it's exactly what admin mods need help looking for. to avoid that type of behavior is exactly why I tend to stick to 1v1 and 2v2.

Cleared of being multis - I’ll have to wait on any SD ruling until I have more time to look at the case.

In the last 24 multi player (3 or more players) they have won 20 out of 24.

That's 10 wins each and 4 defeats. (84% win rate) Looks like SD.

Please have a look at their games together. They seemed to start winning about this time. Prior to that it was 8-5 with them winning the 5. (38% win rate).

On the other hand both have around 4000 games played, but only 40 together.

In the game the OP mentionned, seems to me Bklyn ( green ) made his fair share of attack, by for example breaking Asian bonus from nygoody ( red ) in turn 8.
Before round 8 seems none of the 3 players did anything except taking each a bonus.

Then round 9, OP launches a massive attack against nygoody (red).
nygood retalites, then looks like Bklyn went for the kill of OP, failed, nygood finished him of and won the game by eliminating both players in the same turn.

Among the thirty 3 player games they played together

nygoody won 12
Bklyn won 11
other players won 7.

That's really not so far from the expected result of 10 each.

You then have eight 4 players games,
each accused won 2, which is exactly the expected win ratio of 25% for a 4 player game.

Then two 5 players games
nygoody won 1. The other one was one by another player.

Doesn't seem suspicious to me.

As I said in my post above. The initial games seemed genuine and they lost more than they won.

If you take their last 27 games you have

Nygoody 13 Wins
BKlyn 10 wins
Others 4 wins

That is way above average. And way above their level.

I'm sure that the mods will do their due diligence.

that's a ridiculous assertion and totally untrue.
I rarely chat or interact with other players.

Bklyn wrote:that's a ridiculous assertion and totally untrue.
I rarely chat or interact with other players.

In other 3 player games you have a win rate of 27%. 9 wins 33 defeats.

thegroover wrote:

Bklyn wrote:that's a ridiculous assertion and totally untrue.
I rarely chat or interact with other players.

In other 3 player games you have a win rate of 27%. 9 wins 33 defeats.

He has 456 three- players games on escalating classic.
And a total of 1152 games 3-player games all maps/settings.

How did you get the stat of 9 wins 33 defeats ?

Also, regarding your previous response. It seems weird to cut the stats where you cut them. There isn't enough data to just cut those stats, taking all of them like I did, then there is nothing fishy.

Donelladan, you cant take the total number of 3 player games into account as they havent been played with both nygoody and Bklyn. You can only go with the total number of games they have played. More than likely they arent the same person but they know each other and after playing a couple games together realized they can up their rankings if they play as a team. They dont have to chat on here to coordinate, but they could do it by email or just an old fashioned text message.

Gen_Mayhem wrote:Donelladan, you cant take the total number of 3 player games into account as they havent been played with both nygoody and Bklyn.

And I did not, you've mis-read my post it seems.
I was referring to the number 9 win for 33 games played by Bklyn without nygoody that previous post was mentionning.

But in my first post I did consider all the games that they both played together, and those do not show an unexpectedly high win rate.

But, statistic alone shouldn't be the enough.
As accuser you could give an obvious case of those 2 players having a dubious gameplay maybe ?
In the game you posted they do not seems to be cheating after reading the logs imo.

In 3 player games, an average player should be winning at least 33% of those.
In 4 player games, an average player should be winning at least 25% of those.

I agree with Don, I don't see the problem here, especially with the statistics mentioned.
If there are other reasons to accuse them, fair enough.

EDIT: On looking at their most recent games, one of the two seems to win nearly them all. I suppose that could be looked on with some suspicion. With 40 games played together overall though, I don't know.

I’ll make a determination this week, just requires more digging then suitable from my phone

IcePack wrote:I’ll make a determination this week, just requires more digging then suitable from my phone

I should stay out of cheat reports and i will- let other find out for themselves the hard way who are doubles or who are conducting secret diplomacy is the lesson i learned.; & that is the message all along right?

But, i could not resist this one because i have Nygoody foed for a long time and somebody else too:

CrushThis (+ the remark on foe list sounds "double of nygoody" secret diplomacy)

Ofcourse im wrong because i got no proof that will stand in a Belgian court.. just an extensive network on intel and trusted experiences from others..

But if nobody shares these things then who would know?

Then again, nothing will come of this so why do i even bother? Im wrong i know, so Nygoody accept my apologies - but you stay on my foe list

I’ve noted it in case these trends continue.