Conquer Club

Accused:
MSpitts24

The accused are suspected of:
a little ranching

Game number(s):
these are just from his most recent page of completed games, the oldest of which ended 5 days ago.
Game 21920166
Game 21918468
Game 21918350
Game 21914286
Game 21911219

same player:
Game 21909804 2022-08-21 00:03:20 - MSpitts24: want me to invite you to a different map?
Game 21910003 2022-08-21 00:10:44 - judith: Never played the map plus what does it mean parachute?

Game 21905834
Game 21905829
Game 21905656
Game 21905655
Game 21905654
Game 21905650
Game 21905389
Game 21904346
Game 21904110
Game 21904077

Anyway he'll probably have some really plausible reason like they're all conducting secret diplomacy against him to artificially inflate his rank so he can pretend in his own head he's not bad at risk.

These are his games currently waiting:

IAC,

Thank you for graphically showing me that EEEEEEEEE was a cadet. I tend to not play cooks/cadets so I cancelled that game
When is it a crime (cheating) to for a Major to play a Captain (SteveW2)?
I don't think any of my opponents qualify as a New Recruit - I think a major requirement to Farming/Ranching
Hey, I'd like to be able to limit ranges of opponents while listing games, but CC won't let me
Regarding "pretend in his own head he's not bad at risk": If I'm so bad, why did ShannonApple (Brig) resign, how can I split Hive vs Kaskavel (then a General?), or do (probably) above average vs Generals in 2v2's?
Why don't you ask Mageplunka69 if he think's I'm so bad of a player
You may not like my Abuse posts, but mods have agreed in more than half

I'm assuming you are a friend of some troll, doing that troll's dirty work, but then you just may be cut from the same cloth

so you invited Mr E to a game without knowing his rank..? what about all the invites to other low ranks you're sending?

weird stance to take here.

you aren't making public games and letting anyone join. you're sending direct invites to these people. some of them you've played 5, 10 or 30 times.

yes, I invited "Mr E" to a game not knowing his rank. They were a higher rank when I played him several times, and apparently recently dropped, and I didn't know it.*
Weird stance: only because it seems to defy your expectation of Ranching
"you aren't making public games and letting anyone join": totally wrong; I continually and regularly post games that are open to anybody*
*=twice in the same post that you are 100% wrong about
Ranching: I think if you'll check, none/0.00% of my invited opponents have a "few" games; none are <10, <20, <50, <100 games. I'd thin Admin would agree that inviting people that have played more than 100 games is Ranching/Farming/cheasting
Finally, I've found those people to be friendly and seem to enjoy my invites/games, or they wouldn't have played 3/5/10 games with me.

Thx for the entertainment,

As an actual real life Rancher and farmer, which surprisingly I am, I know shocking, I condone this behavior. Ranching is for livestock and the fact you see this lower recruits as such disgusts me. As evidenced recently I take serious offense. Maybe to an extreme but nonetheless it is what it is. Shame on you McTits, Shame...Shame...Shame...

What's Cheasting??? I genuinely want to know as an immigrant rancher, shocking I know, immigrant and a Rancher and farmer in Gods country, sorry I digress. but seriously, I don't understand what that means. Please explain Mc

Thanks for your time replying to this matter

Kind regards

Finally, I've found those people to be friendly and seem to enjoy my invites/games, or they wouldn't have played 3/5/10 games with me.

Interesting.

Below is a list of all the (14) games you've played in the last month vs nkholley, and all the game chat.

Can you explain where you found them to be friendly? Maybe they have a cute smile.

Game 21905835
2022-08-19 16:35:19 - MSpitts24: hello again and good luck on your OTHER games
2022-08-24 00:58:19 - MSpitts24: game should be over soon; after blue, 3 others have sets
2022-08-24 22:24:45 - MSpitts24: thx for game(s)

Game 21905829
2022-08-22 01:55:35 - MSpitts24: hello again and good luck on your OTHER games
2022-08-22 01:55:44 - MSpitts24: thx for thr game(s)

Game 21904346
2022-08-18 20:44:15 - MSpitts24: hello again and good luck on your OTHER games
2022-08-18 20:44:42 - MSpitts24: FYI 21905592 was looking for a partner in a 2v2

Game 21887163
2022-08-11 12:05:09 - MSpitts24: hello again and good luck on your OTHER games
2022-08-11 12:05:19 - MSpitts24: wtF with you dropping bonuses?
2022-08-15 04:01:06 - MSpitts24: thx for the game

Game 21887020
2022-08-10 12:12:46 - MSpitts24: hello again and good luck on your OTHER games
2022-08-13 00:43:29 - nkholley: U2

Game 21881571
2022-08-08 22:43:36 - MSpitts24: hello again and good luck on your OTHER games

Game 21879928
2022-08-06 19:23:42 - MSpitts24: hello again and good luck on your OTHER games

Game 21877903
2022-08-07 01:58:47 - MSpitts24: hello again and good luck on your OTHER games
2022-08-07 01:58:53 - MSpitts24: thx for games

Game 21871926
2022-08-02 23:39:04 - MSpitts24: hello again and good luck on your OTHER games

Game 21871922
2022-08-02 23:37:55 - MSpitts24: hello again and good luck on your OTHER games
2022-08-03 17:24:02 - MSpitts24: WOW, that was a helluva turn you had Blue 1.2
2022-08-04 02:33:21 - MSpitts24: wtF? what a turn!
2022-08-05 15:05:43 - MSpitts24: wow, GG well played

Game 21862425
2022-07-29 03:05:32 - MSpitts24: hello again and good luck on your OTHER games

Game 21862424
2022-07-29 03:03:47 - MSpitts24: hello again and good luck on your OTHER games
2022-08-01 21:18:23 - MSpitts24: thx for games

Game 21859467
2022-07-27 17:26:42 - MSpitts24: hello again and good luck on your OTHER games
2022-07-29 18:06:28 - MSpitts24: finish real-time?

Game 21859466
2022-07-27 17:35:39 - MSpitts24: hello again and good luck on your OTHER games

They seem like a delightful player. Your conversations are very friendly indeed.

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MSpitts24 wrote:Regarding "pretend in his own head he's not bad at risk": If I'm so bad, why did ShannonApple (Brig) resign, how can I split Hive vs Kaskavel (then a General?), or do (probably) above average vs Generals in 2v2's?

So why aren't you inviting more players like this?

"you aren't making public games and letting anyone join": totally wrong; I continually and regularly post games that are open to anybody*

I didn't say you never make public games. I played two against you. It is implied via very basic English that the games I referred to in that sentence are the games being discussed in this thread.

Ranching: I think if you'll check, none/0.00% of my invited opponents have a "few" games; none are <10, <20, <50, <100 games. I'd thin Admin would agree that inviting people that have played more than 100 games is Ranching/Farming/cheasting

The issue is very simply that you are routinely inviting low ranked players to your games because they're easy targets and allow you to maintain a high win %.

Please note:
I mistyped above, it should read (CORRECTION)

I'd thinK Admin would agree that inviting people that have played more than 100 games is NOT Ranching/Farming/chea(S)ting

I'd thinK Admin would agree that inviting people that have played more than 100 games is NOT Ranching/Farming/chea(S)ting

You know people have been punished for tactically inviting players of all ranks to games? Even colonels and above, when they'd never played the map.

Jliverwurst just got a temporary ban for inviting low ranks to his games.

What are you basing your administration assumptions on exactly?

"The issue is very simply that you are routinely inviting low ranked players to your games because they're easy targets and allow you to maintain a high win %." is also falsely based:
I can only invite people when I'm premium. Ask Admin: I am ~99% a freemium player that cannot invite people
I've gotten Premium periodically as a gift from Mods for a good joke, etc., others I've played (I think they wanted me to join their clan), and recently for nicely supporting a CC player I never played, but some clan person referred them to me for help (gave me 3 months Premium).
I usually just post games and anyone can join.
it's just recently that I've had Premium for more than a month and began inviting people.
You posted minimal discussion with NKHolley, but not the others. You only show a very slanted view, so it's not a good cross-section; and that's on games played too
If I invited people with only 5-30 games, I might begin to understand your concern, but I haven't -- most have had SEVERAL HUNDRED

Let's see what mods think, not just your trolling.

MSpitts24 wrote:I can only invite people when I'm premium. Ask Admin: I am ~99% a freemium player that cannot invite people
I've gotten Premium periodically as a gift from Mods for a good joke, etc., others I've played (I think they wanted me to join their clan), and recently for nicely supporting a CC player I never played, but some clan person referred them to me for help (gave me 3 months Premium).

I don't think the longevity of your premium membership has any relevance whatsoever to the fact you're deliberately and repeatedly inviting low ranks to your games. If anything, it suggests that you're making the most of having premium for a short period by farming these players, before you end up a freemium again and unable to send those invites.

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You posted minimal discussion with NKHolley, but not the others.

Did you not state: "Finally, I've found those people to be friendly"

I noticed you played vs nkholley many times in the last month. You say yourself that is because you've found them to be friendly. Just wondering where you got that impression? Was it the one single time they replied to you in 14 games and 26 messages?

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If I invited people with only 5-30 games, I might begin to understand your concern, but I haven't -- most have had SEVERAL HUNDRED

Several hundred games and the vast majority of those players are still sitting under sergeant. What does that tell your about their playing ability?

There are tonnes of previous cases of people doing similar to yourself with experienced players.

No idea why you keep highlighting this point, it holds no water.

Interesting stuff McSugarPlums, but as much as i'd like to agree with you, cause I would love to prove Caff wrong, trust me, I would pay for it...High end. I don't get it. I mean correct me if i'm wrong but, one-way conversations with your "friends", and NKHolley is an example, but the same carries on between other games too from what I saw. and I checked. Really wanted Caff to be wrong here...but, you time your invites on premiums, and not to old chums, but players you beat, repeatedly, like over and over, like repeatedly so that's a sure chance win right, well then. is there a chance, maybe slim, very slim, or maybe very large, like huge, like in your face large, that is ranching. like a little bit??? I'll excuse your first mistake cause i have too, since you say you're tight with the mods of the forum, and they gift you premium all the time too, less I misunderstood and apologies if so. Otherwise, it seems like it to me. i'm back after a while so maybe i'm mistaken, but i think not in this one.

Side note: Apparently, you're a free loader on premium too, so not even a real member, I resent that Bullshit. Personally, I mean what's $40 honestly, for a year, I've dropped friends over bitching of the price of this site, well it's a lot, you think, kind of, I guess, shut up. Spend more on corn flakes then to participate here, and it's awesome. This is a great venue and especially for those that love Risk and board games in general. But it struggles now a days unfortunately, and that's the trend. First and last time for some. For others they come back. One's that have stayed along, though great and bad, salute you, i'm back because of you. and thanks for keeping site running.

Sorry I digressed again, so bitchlips, sorry McTits; any idea how much of a calf it takes to pay for joining this site? No? Well, I do. Betsy isn't going to see next spring is she. Fucking rights, she will cause they've kept the cost down. And if you're ranching you fuckin should know, right, it's basics. So, you're cheap as f*ck for a start and using other people to farm, my friend, my pal, do you know we ranchers call you people skids, IRL... do you know why? you're worth less than the skid you leave on the pavement. low life. if you don't contribute to the whole, you're worth nothing.

And continue the rant, you're getting it free? bullshit. Sorry, I digress. But not really. Hopefully what i'm saying makes sense. We, our family, live by a simple code, and stick to it. I rant on here but whether British, sorry autocorrect, gibberish, it's usually justified at least. Anyone that refuses to join premium, except for new members trying the site, should f*ck off. a lot of work from volunteers is involved to keep this going and the amount of time everyone contributes astounds me, but they do. So their time shouldn't be wasted. So, when you won credits and used them differently then was intended, and con'd players to join, intentionally, smart??? no, dumbass. you wasted their time unfortunately, but they'll contibute after your waste of skin, I guess. Sorry, I digress.

Point is, you're caught and reaching out to the ones you know. Bringing up recent exchanges. That's fine, trust me, I get it. Hurts when you're down low. A little upset I couldn't prove Caff wrong on you for one so very disappointing. But you're busted in what you've been doing cause it’s no different than jzizzle, at least he was smarter about it and used his IRL persona. You... should be dealt with accordingly. But that's for the mods to decide. Unfortunately, you have chosen to ranch without being a real rancher, for that, unfortunately, I have no respect left, so kudos friend. May you find greener pastures...

wow, 5 long detailed paragraphs, whew. Maybe your ranch is dieing because you spend too much time on a game-site instead of studying agribusiness more. And you digress so much about not paying for premium. We both have the same problem: we spend too much time on CC already, and so that's why I don't buy premium.

Then there's the terribly shitty dice strings that I'm sure aren't random. And don't tell me that just because an algorithm offsets strings of low dice with strings of high dice, etc. doesn't make it random. Those are the two reasons I don't buy premium.

Caff is a fool for other reasons. My win % is probably high because I had focussed on one map (Europa) and just know it better than most. I used to play low level robots a lot, not sure if those wins are included in my win %, but if they are, then there you go. It sure hasn't increased due to playing with recent premium.

And about recent premium: If you or Caff check my score, over the last 2-3 years it's been in the Capt/Maj rank. Add'l premium games have nothing to do with inflating my score either.

Finally both you and Caff are AWOL/IRON members. Hardly a cross-section of opinions from across CC. More like two cronies stuck in a retirement home wing that have bonded over a new thing to complain about.

"Finally both you and Caff are AWOL/IRON members. Hardly a cross-section of opinions from across CC. More like two cronies stuck in a retirement home wing that have bonded over a new thing to complain about." Hilarious stuff
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by Son!c
on Fri Aug 26, 2022 9:52 am

Finally, SOMEONE appreciates the humor

Who the hell would want to play the cook anyway? Geez. That just sucks.

From General Chat:

Son!c: hey MSpitts, nice you stood up for yourselves against the CC bully's

finally, more of a cross-section of opinions

you and sonic both act like other people posting their opinions in here means anything

all mods care about is the report and supporting evidence

if anything, me and devante posting here helps your case lmao

iAmCaffeine wrote:

I'd thinK Admin would agree that inviting people that have played more than 100 games is NOT Ranching/Farming/chea(S)ting

You know people have been punished for tactically inviting players of all ranks to games? Even colonels and above, when they'd never played the map.

Jliverwurst just got a temporary ban for inviting low ranks to his games.

What are you basing your administration assumptions on exactly?

He is a sarge that invited a Major - see the last "farming accusation" (started by you guys in a drunk mood), in his closed case..

And please leave me out of this, this is not worth my time.

But a lot of new paid members that don't know this "subculture" of you guys are leaving CC, they just wanna have fun and play some games. So does Joey (new member from 2020 who still has lots to learn but is a superfriendly guy with 100% attandance and paid membership. If i was him i would not come back. never

Also, im a "paid" member and i gave quite a lot of premiums this year to friend or people i like or think they deserve it but im thinking on leaving CC too for this bullocks

2022:

31886 Son!c 2022-08-23 16:41:02 fulfilled Credits 600C View
31860 Son!c 2022-08-19 18:52:16 fulfilled Credits 1,200C View
31851 Son!c 2022-08-19 03:04:58 fulfilled Credits 1,200C View
31738 Son!c 2022-07-27 17:00:02 fulfilled Credits 600C View
31655 Son!c 2022-07-18 08:45:27 fulfilled Credits 600C View
31614 Son!c 2022-07-10 14:18:45 fulfilled Credits 1,200C View
31611 Son!c 2022-07-10 14:16:12 fulfilled Stripe ch_2LK4fuvzCA0wS8bn09UuMZab $51.00 View
31228 Son!c 2022-04-20 17:25:53 fulfilled Credits 1,200C View
31037 Son!c 2022-03-17 03:58:26 fulfilled Credits 600C View
31036 Son!c 2022-03-17 03:57:45 fulfilled Credits 600C View
31035 Son!c 2022-03-17 03:56:19 fulfilled Stripe ch_2KeEBxvzCA0wS8bn1aGJ8xgx $25.80 View
30704 Son!c 2022-01-23 16:17:10 fulfilled Credits 1,200C View
30703 Son!c 2022-01-23 16:15:50 fulfilled Stripe ch_2KLDPdvzCA0wS8bn0eaaFgRf $15.50 View

so i paid and supported the site because i enjoy it here, but not for long though

My premium is valid until : Premium (Valid until: 2022-09-16) so normally i would stripe out another 50 bucks, so i support the site with 150 bucks a year, but im thinking on leaving now for this BS galore

Sorry for the off topic post, but need to address this since it's across multiple threads:

Son!c wrote:But a lot of new paid members that don't know this "subculture" of you guys are leaving CC, they just wanna have fun and play some games.

It's not a subculture at all. Yes, some of the people in this section of the forum could be nicer, and I'm not happy with the way that other thread played out, but they absolutely have a right to report people if they're thought to be ranching.

Ranching in itself has a negative affect on the site, and players leave because of it, not because someone got called out for it. Say you're a sarge/captain/whatever, and you start inviting low ranks to your games. Those low ranks join because they think it's nice that someone invited them to play. Ultimately, they lose every game because the map/settings have quirks that they didn't understand, and it feels disheartening. (The victim could even have a higher rank than you and have never played certain settings.) This has happened to me when I was a new player. I was thanking people for inviting me to games thinking they just wanted to play, then realised that I was being had and the person was just an asshole. It's not a nice feeling and kinda makes you feel like a terrible player. Now whether a player intends to ranch or not is of no consequence. If they do this on a regular basis, they get flagged by someone. Intentions don't matter, everyone gets the same punishment. How can C&A tell if it was intentional or not. One just has to own it, and change what they're doing. Then having learned from it, move on.

If a new player joins the site, he will have absolutely no problems and no accusations at all if he creates games and lets people join them naturally. Join a club, tribe or clan if you want a regular bunch to play against. Even set up a thread in callouts saying you'd like to find some regular teammates. I'd even suggest to new players to try out auto tournaments once they get a handle on the basics of the game. They are a great way to get matched up against all kinds of opponents and improve your skills. And once they start, they fill up quickly.

People just need to make reports here, state the facts and leave. There's no need for all this nonsense posting. At the end of the day, none of it will have any bearing on the outcome from the C&A team. They only look at the facts.

ok i'll leave you just convinced me, your not happy with the way that other thread played out but that is the way it is? I agree on his warning but he asked about the rules and he got an answer he followed by the letter.. and now he gets a punishment without breaking that advice because some drunk post? sorry, hard to understand

Son!c wrote:ok i'll leave you just convinced me

I'm a volunteer. I am not a paid member of staff, so saying to me that you're going to leave the site is an over-reaction. If I had my way, some people in this section would have gotten infractions/official warnings for flaming and verbal abuse as they would if they did some of this in chat. But, the reports in themselves are valid once you strip away all the nonsense attached.

So let's try to keep this evidence based only. It's been waaaay off topic.

Shannon Apple wrote:

Son!c wrote:ok i'll leave you just convinced me

I'm a volunteer. I am not a paid member of staff, so saying to me that you're going to leave the site is an over-reaction. If I had my way, some people in this section would have gotten infractions/official warnings for flaming and verbal abuse as they would if they did some of this in chat. But, the reports in themselves are valid once you strip away all the nonsense attached.

It is not an over-reaction, this is just wrong

Son!c wrote:ok i'll leave you just convinced me, your not happy with the way that other thread played out but that is the way it is? I agree on his warning but he asked about the rules and he got an answer he followed by the letter.. and now he gets a punishment without breaking that advice because some drunk post? sorry, hard to understand

irrelevant to this thread but jliverwurst changed from inviting new recruits to inviting random low ranked players he didnt know and lied about them being his friends

it's sad and you're being stupid

this thread isn't about that so jog on

Shannon Apple wrote:

Son!c wrote:ok i'll leave you just convinced me

I'm a volunteer. I am not a paid member of staff, so saying to me that you're going to leave the site is an over-reaction. If I had my way, some people in this section would have gotten infractions/official warnings for flaming and verbal abuse as they would if they did some of this in chat. But, the reports in themselves are valid once you strip away all the nonsense attached.

So let's try to keep this evidence based only. It's been waaaay off topic.

Shannon Apple wrote:If I had my way, some people in this section would have gotten infractions/official warnings for flaming and verbal abuse as they would if they did some of this in chat.

So let's try to keep this evidence based only. It's been waaaay off topic.

People have been warned / asked to stick to on topic posts and only add evidence. Just because official warnings / infractions hasn’t happened yet doesn’t mean they won’t.

We do these things as we have time / are able. If people wanna throw mud after the warning to stay on topic, then they’ll likely get what’s coming when we have a few extra minutes to spare.

Couple threads full of things we will go through and issue as needed.

Son!c wrote:ok i'll leave you just convinced me, your not happy with the way that other thread played out but that is the way it is? I agree on his warning but he asked about the rules and he got an answer he followed by the letter.. and now he gets a punishment without breaking that advice because some drunk post? sorry, hard to understand

I believe in the mp he got with the punishment, there is an explanation how to appeal. If what you're saying here is true he should appeal.
in my experience ka is usually willing to listen if people are asking nice.


On this topic.

I don't think accused is ranching

you've listed 1vs1 games on EUROPA map. Seriously that's such an easy map. It's not like you can be having a good win ratio on this map in 1vs1.
Some of the game listed are a bit more complex, but mainly the games he is playing are on easy map with easy settings.

Most of his games played on his last pages are not against low ranks.
you're listed around 20 games, but in the same time frame he finished those 20 games, he played more than 60 games, and they aren't all against low ranks
Lot of them are against lieutenant, captain, major and some more.

It's not forbidden to invite a few low ranker to your game, and it shouldn't be.
If 90% of your games you're inviting low ranks on complex map, sure that's a case.
It's definitely not the case here.