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</Dragon Rida>

Accused:

Dragon Rida

The accused are suspected of:

Being Multis (apparently confirmed on a prior closed C&A)
. . .I thought proven multi's were kicked off the site?
Other: playing games as a very low rank (cook/764), but playing like a much higher rank
. . .using that lower score/rank to acquire add'l points, when a normal higher rank would earn much less

Game number(s):

Game 21804151

Comments:
please re-evaluate their experience as a multi and the risk they pose as a very low rank earning excess/more points than if normally ranked

MH note: haven’t reviewed the case itself

Note to OP: multi’s are kicked, but are generally offered a return upon purchasing premium. They’re generally made to return to the oldest account, however sometimes it’s the most experienced in certain cases.

IE: guy made an account in 2015, played 3 games.
guy makes new account in 2022, with premium and played 400 games before being busted. Generally he’d buy back into the site on the more experienced account. So that’s probably the case here (I haven’t looked as I don’t have the time tonight)

Other: playing games as a very low rank (cook/764), but playing like a much higher rank
. . .using that lower score/rank to acquire add'l points, when a normal higher rank would earn much less

This statement makes no sense, and it isn't a breaking any rule. .
So he has a cook rank, he'll acquire "lot" of points, then he won't be a cook anymore, he'll have his regular rank, then he'll stop getting points. What's the issue ?
Do you think he'll make it to conqueror because he started as a cook ? No he won't.

Is the issue that's you've lost too many points ? Well since you now have fewer points, you'll be "using that lower score/rank to acquire add'l points, when a normal higher rank would earn much less" and be back at your usual score.

EDIT :

please re-evaluate their experience as a multi and the risk they pose as a very low rank earning excess/more points than if normally ranked

Define said risk ? Is the risk that a farmer will try to get easy points out of him and get his ass-kicked ?

for such a high ranked player (Brig) I'd think you'd understand better, but to clarify:

for whatever reason he's ranked a cook, low and when he wins will earn more points than if he was higher ranked
and as I stated, he sure doesn't play like a cook, but more like a much higher ranked player
don't artificially hurt his opponents he beats by letting a better player play as a low rank and take more points from opponents he beats

re: farmer, yes, but I'm not farming him. He joined my open game

but it goes to show CC politics: not premium?, kick him. If they buy Premium, let them stay

Smh.

for whatever reason he's ranked a cook, low and when he wins will earn more points than if he was higher ranked

That was clear before. Once again, not an issue, let him play a dozen of games, he'll reach correct rank, issue solved.

don't artificially hurt his opponents he beats by letting a better player play as a low rank and take more points from opponents he beats

The way you've made that sentence makes it hard for me to understand.
But from what I understood, you're saying accused is artificially hurting his opponents because he takes more points out of them ?
Seriously not an issue,no one should care to lose 50 points for one game instead of 30, you'll just win more points next game, end of story.
Everyone stabilize where they belong to after a while.
Some players do have big score variations and no one care.

but it goes to show CC politics: not premium?, kick him. If they buy Premium, let them stay

If the rule he broke is being a cook instead of a major (?) then no, no reason to kick him, no rule broken.

That happened to waaaay better players than him, no one made a fuss about it.
Some player stop playing CC, their rank drop while they deadbeat their remaining game, they come back and they go up again. That's life, maybe that's what happened to him.
Though I actually believe he is a real cook that just happened to beat you

I couldn't help but notice that I foed him a long time age because he PLAYS LIKE A COOK.
(note high score of 1231 and rating 3.6)

Major Lee Fkd wrote:I couldn't help but notice that I foed him a long time age because he PLAYS LIKE A COOK.
(note high score of 1231 and rating 3.6)

Donnellan Dan,

Either you are Obtuse, so brilliant that you don't understand commoner's concerns or we'll just have to agree to disagree. You come across as someone that's taken one Business Law class and thinks they are a lawyer:

1-you think the issue is what his rank should be, and time will adjust that. Wrong, my issue is that he's a wolf in sheep's clothing (plays like a higher ranked player) and is artificially taking extra points from others (me in particular)

2-you might not care to lose 50 instead of 30, but I do. It's like you wouldn't care if someone stole $100 from your wallet, but I do.

3-if the rule broken is being a cook instead of a major: no, no, no. the broken rule is that he had multiple accounts open and playing at the same time. <-- that's the rule broken. The there are grey areas of cheating/abuse and I feel artificially taking 50+ points instead of <20 (not necessarily 30) could be another rule broken.

Please fully understand the concern (and ask questions to clarify) before posting to a thread you don't understand or relate to.

This is too good.

CC Mods, please consider:

I was chatting with a respected player and regular on GC. His response about my post included that people like Dragon Rida "play well as a Cook and rape people for points"

Also: he said my beef should be with CC: allowing DR to return as a cook instead as a higher rank.

so apparently I'm not the only one who thinks so.

The fundamental question here is If he "plays well as a Cook and rapes people for points" then how come he is still a cook with a high score of 1231 ??
If it walks like a duck.....bla bla bla....we all know the rest.
He plays like a cook.His has the points of a cook.He has the 3.6 rating of a cook.I personally played him and foed him BECAUSE he plays like a cook......Face it.You got your Ass handed to you on a silver platter by the COOK!

MSpitts24 wrote:CC Mods, please consider:

I was chatting with a respected player and regular on GC. His response about my post included that people like Dragon Rida "play well as a Cook and rape people for points"

Also: he said my beef should be with CC: allowing DR to return as a cook instead as a higher rank.

so apparently I'm not the only one who thinks so.

Oh would you stop?

The guy is not a high rank. Look at his maximum points. If he had another account, then it's been determined that Dragon Rida with 612 games played and a 15% win rate is the account with the most experience (most games played and the likelihood is that the other was low ranked too). That's the account he has to continue playing on, and he bought premium to do that. Didn't you read anything that was said in this thread already?

People do stupid things, and CC gave him a second chance. And we can hope he's learned his lesson. I think knowing that, you should just drop it. If his profile info is true, then he's an 18 year old kid ffs.

You're just salty because you're losing a game to a cook and want him banned before the game ends. Everyone loses points to a low rank every now and then for whatever reason, be it bad luck, or them just happening to play it right for once. If we didn't lose points, we'd be all generals. You're going to have to suck this one up pretty much.

but even you SA miss the point:

Someone thinks he plays like a cook. Maybe he lost a lot of 8 player games, but he's sure not playing like a cook in that game. Period.

Second chance? fine, then start him out at 1000 or his highest rank, but again not at a low rank where he can ear more points (and take from other players).

two other things SA:
1)you already have history with me and as a CC Mod you shouldn't let that taint a reasonable request of a C&A
2)if it wasn't worthy of C&A review, then C&A mods would have kicked it long ago
have a nice summer, and I think I'll buy you a new broom for Halloween

Dude.

No.

Really, it's all been said but I like to hammer these dead fckin horses.

If you don't want players of all ranks to join your games, don't make public games.

If you don't want to lose to a cook, don't be shitty.

This is not a C&A Report. Suggestion, sure, I guess. A terrible one, but at least it would make sense.

There are so many issues with your repeating poorly made points and your apparent lack of any comprehension as to what anyone else is saying. You keep thinking people don't get what you're saying - we all get it. It's just that what you're saying is, I dunno, nonsense.

Did he just get reinstated Yesterday? It's hard to tell just by looking at past games but it looks like he has been around for a while.How in the world is he a guide? this guy is the person CC is allowing the newcomer to be trained by? just go back a few hundred games and read the chat in some of the Guide games.
Anyway, with the stupidity of the accused established, even though your argument that he should have been started off with less points has no merit anyway,It looks like he has like 600 games since then.

MSpitts24 wrote:but even you SA miss the point:

Someone thinks he plays like a cook. Maybe he lost a lot of 8 player games, but he's sure not playing like a cook in that game. Period.

Second chance? fine, then start him out at 1000 or his highest rank, but again not at a low rank where he can ear more points (and take from other players).

please clarify exactly when he was given his second chance.with several hundred games since then his starting score would make no difference anyway.

AND FURTHERMORE! i'm not going to do the simple math but how many less points would you loose anyway? we're only talking about a difference of 385 points! that translates into what? 2 or 3 points? give me a FKN break.

For God's sake man.Give Dragon Rida 385 points just to shut this guy up and he'll still be a cook by next week!

MSpitts, I don't have a personal issue with you, and I absolutely don't care about past nonsense you got up to in the chatrooms. I'm not that petty.

I said what needed to be said on this case. Not gonna beat a dead horse.

PS. And thanks, the old broom was getting tatty anyway.

Even better. You're complaining about a Poly 2 game on Wales? It's not exactly a complex map or settings.

"he doesn't play like a cook"... what does that even mean given the context? he's supposed to kill himself and let you win because he's a cook and you're not? please tell me you've been trolling us with this complaint.

"He's too good to be that bad."

Premium has been stripped and account is indefinitely banned but I am allowing him to finish off his ongoing games. The problem with this guy is he keeps making new multis.

thx KA, but a C+ response.

I appreciate that you confirmed that something was definitely wrong
you are in charge, but normally Multi's are stopped, finito, and kicked from all games. I think you should rethink that part, because you let him earn extra points as a Cook when he sure doesn't play like a cook. He's a wolf in sheep's clothing

And others: it's not "hey rank him as a 1000 and minimal point difference, he played that map like a champ and is in no way a Cook

you are in charge, but normally Multi's are stopped, finito, and kicked from all games. I think you should rethink that part, because you let him earn extra points as a Cook when he sure doesn't play like a cook. He's a wolf in sheep's clothing

How can't you see this sentence makes no sense ?

What kind of extra points is he going to earn as a cook ? Once he earned the extra points, he'll stop getting extra points because he won't be a cook anymore.
Thus why do you think he is a cook ?
Do you think he first lose points on purpose to be a cook, to then play like a major so that he can get extra points, that he will then lose again to be a cook ?

If the issue is a multi, be aware that a new account start with 1000 points.
If he was just a multi with 1000 points, he would have more points than now, that'd be better for you then huh ?

So, I'm trying to follow you train of thoughs
The guy is a multi - create a new account with 1000 points, but in reality he is an "experienced" player, and doesn't play like a guy with 1000 points.
But somehow he lose points and become a cook (??)
Then he start being a wolf in sheep's clothing - then that's an issue that deserve a C&A report because then he is stealing points.

The flaw here is, if he was good, when he started his multi account with 1000 points, he would be winning more points, not become a cook.


Got it ?

And that's just one part of the flaw of your reasoning, because as far as I am concerned, even a general starting at a 1000 points isn't an issue.
Because points fluctuate for everyone and even a general starting a multi account wouldn't be stealing that much points from you that it would hurt anything.
That's the main reason I replied to you in the first place, because the reasoning saying we shouldn't allow people to create new account because that is unfair for their opponent point wise is imho, utterly stupid.

Why do I think it's stupid ? well, in your last reply to me you said :

2-you might not care to lose 50 instead of 30, but I do. It's like you wouldn't care if someone stole $100 from your wallet, but I do.

The BIG difference with money is, if someone steal 100$ from my wallet, I'm not going to be earning more because of what I lost. Me losing 100$ won't change my income, thus it's a loss.
If I lose 30 points instead of 50 in a game, my next win, I'm going to win more points, and also the next time I lose a game, I'm going to lose less points.
So me losing 30 points instead of 50, or even a 100 instead of 10, doesn't matter that much if it just one game, because the other 30 games I'm playing are going to compensate that, since I'm going to win more points on each victory after that, and lose less points in each defeat after that.
So your rank should be stable around your level of skill no matter if one cook playing like a major suddenly beat you once.


And, of course, people have said it before, and it didn't matter to me because that's not the point I'm arguing ( I'm arguing points are so irrelevant for this situation), but Dragon Rida is really a cook deserve to be a cook and will always be a cook.
Him being busted has nothing do to with his rank..

What are the names of the other multis?