Closed tfh182 - Lying to tarnish reputations.

[m1ndgames]

Accused:
tfh182

The accused are suspected of:

Other: Throughout the game, thf182 (Blue) has continually whinged about getting no cards in this 'NO SPOILS' game. I, for the most part, have ignored him, seeing clearly he was just doing it as a wind up. (I suspect having played 2840 games, he probably knows.) One or two others have either fallen for it at times, or just humoured him.

Until now, I was prepared to tolerate and ignore his childishness but he has now taken it to another level. In the most recent chat, he has lied (bold below), saying that I have been PM'ing him, pressuring him to do whatever he's doing.

2017-09-19 13:32:50 - tfh182: I only took one troop from you... just so I could get a card.... which never comes btw..
2017-09-23 13:59:20 - tfh182: has anybody gooten a card yet...???? just asking...
2017-09-25 08:58:58 - tfh182: Red....mind games keeps fucking with my head. He has been sending me all this private messages saying if I take NY I will get a card... It changes each time.... I decided not to attack you so you can move in and hurt that mind game fella.
2017-09-26 12:33:23 - PROFITS: Why did you break me blue?
2017-09-26 12:33:36 - PROFITS: I haven't broken you
2017-09-26 12:34:04 - PROFITS: When did green send you the private message?
2017-09-26 12:40:39 - tfh182: Red I didn't want to attack you mind games made me do it.


I don't know if there are any rules about doing what he's doing but, for me, that crosses a line. Stupidly joking is one thing but smearing someone's reputation with outright lies is another. Is there anything that can be done?

Game number(s):
https://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=17411859

[riskllama]

lol, just foe him.

[iAmCaffeine]

Seems pretty obvious the guy is making jokes about your username dude.

[DirtyDishSoap]

The irony.

[m1ndgames]

As I said, joking about is fine, as is playing on the name or whatever.

I simply have an issue, and think it crosses a line, if someone is able to make others question someone's integrity with blatant lies.

Foeing, which I'll do anyway, achieves nothing other than blanking it from me.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Wouldn't you agree that part of the game is to spread misinformation anyways? He's obviously benefiting it some form or another. If he's getting into your head, then he accomplished exactly what he was aiming to do. Whether or not that works out for him in the long run has yet to be seen.

Anyways, this is a classic case of foe and move on.

2017-09-27 17:24:40 - tfh182: how can anybody take any thing I wrote serious when I complained about cards every turn. Come on men..... I do apologise if office was taken... I did post it here......

[AchillesisGay]

poor baby..all concerned about ya rep? want some cheese with that whine, little girl?

[Razorvich]

poor baby..all concerned about ya rep? want some cheese with that whine, little girl?

Multi much

[DirtyDishSoap]

He looks like a fun guy to play against.

[iAmCaffeine]

I simply have an issue

Evidently.

[m1ndgames]

I simply have an issue

Evidently.

So if I go round telling everyone that iAmCaffeine is a cheat, that'd be ok with you, would it? What about that time you tried to engage in secret diplomacy with me? I declined but never mentioned it once ...until now. Hope you don't mind.

[riskllama]

I simply have an issue

Evidently.

So if I go round telling everyone that iAmCaffeine is a cheat, that'd be ok with you, would it? What about that time you tried to engage in secret diplomacy with me? I declined but never mentioned it once ...until now. Hope you don't mind.

lol. you should see him lose his shit when you remin everybody about his former account(s)... . priceless.

[m1ndgames]

I simply have an issue

Evidently.

So if I go round telling everyone that iAmCaffeine is a cheat, that'd be ok with you, would it? What about that time you tried to engage in secret diplomacy with me? I declined but never mentioned it once ...until now. Hope you don't mind.

lol. you should see him lose his shit when you remin everybody about his former account(s)... . priceless.

I think I remember someone bringing it up once. I thought it unlikely at the time, given how many games he'd played, but have heard similar since. No smoke without fire.

[iAmCaffeine]

I simply have an issue

Evidently.

So if I go round telling everyone that iAmCaffeine is a cheat, that'd be ok with you, would it? What about that time you tried to engage in secret diplomacy with me? I declined but never mentioned it once ...until now. Hope you don't mind.

You probably shouldn't call yourself m1ndgames.

[owenshooter]

As I said, joking about is fine, as is playing on the name or whatever.

I simply have an issue, and think it crosses a line, if someone is able to make others question someone's integrity with blatant lies.

Foeing, which I'll do anyway, achieves nothing other than blanking it from me.

sooo, you do realize this is not any sort of rule violation, right? misinformation is part of the game and can be used to one's advantage, especially in FOG games. taking the piss out of your username is simply brilliant, deal with it. even better, i bet you didn't notify him that you were turning him into C&A (i've taken care of that for you), so he could defend himself. sorry, you literally have zero claim here. not a rule violation and never will be. good luck with this, sorry about your little butt. the black jesus has spoken, time to lock this thread down...-Jésus noir

suck it up, cupcake...

[DirtyDishSoap]

What would we ever do without owen.

[Thorthoth]

As I said, joking about is fine, as is playing on the name or whatever.

I simply have an issue, and think it crosses a line, if someone is able to make others question someone's integrity with blatant lies.

Foeing, which I'll do anyway, achieves nothing other than blanking it from me.

sooo, you do realize this is not any sort of rule violation, right? misinformation is part of the game and can be used to one's advantage, especially in FOG games. taking the piss out of your username is simply brilliant, deal with it. even better, i bet you didn't notify him that you were turning him into C&A (i've taken care of that for you), so he could defend himself. sorry, you literally have zero claim here. not a rule violation and never will be. good luck with this, sorry about your little butt. the black jesus has spoken, time to lock this thread down...-Jésus noir.

No. In this case, m1ndgames is making a good point. The concern is less about m1ndgames' reputation, per se, and more about the fact that tfh182 is potentially framing him for a C&A violation. In theory, another player/third party could bring an SD accusation against m1ndgames and then use thf182's fraudulent game chat as evidence!
This case isn't just about silly insults and namecalling (unlike that n-word that owen always gets ruffled about...) this is actually libelous.

[m1ndgames]

sooo, you do realize this is not any sort of rule violation, right? misinformation is part of the game and can be used to one's advantage, especially in FOG games. taking the piss out of your username is simply brilliant, deal with it. even better, i bet you didn't notify him that you were turning him into C&A (i've taken care of that for you), so he could defend himself. sorry, you literally have zero claim here. not a rule violation and never will be. good luck with this, sorry about your little butt. the black jesus has spoken, time to lock this thread down...-Jésus noir

No, I didn't realise, hence the question.

As for your sneaky, grass-like tendencies, if you'd taken the time to read the chat, you'd have seen that I said I was going to report him. Nothing hidden here. The only one who's shown their butt here is you.

ps. If you think taking the piss out of someone's name is 'simply brilliant', you ought to get out more.

[owenshooter]

sooo, you do realize this is not any sort of rule violation, right? misinformation is part of the game and can be used to one's advantage, especially in FOG games. taking the piss out of your username is simply brilliant, deal with it. even better, i bet you didn't notify him that you were turning him into C&A (i've taken care of that for you), so he could defend himself. sorry, you literally have zero claim here. not a rule violation and never will be. good luck with this, sorry about your little butt. the black jesus has spoken, time to lock this thread down...-Jésus noir

No, I didn't realise, hence the question.

As for your sneaky, grass-like tendencies, if you'd taken the time to read the chat, you'd have seen that I said I was going to report him. Nothing hidden here. The only one who's shown their butt here is you.

ps. If you think taking the piss out of someone's name is 'simply brilliant', you ought to get out more.

says the guy that reported someone for not violating ONE RULE. i challenge you to point to the ONE RULE that he has violated. you can't. frivolous accusation, waste of the mods time. sorry about your little butt... the black jesus has spoken... lock this ridiculous thread...-Jésus noir

m1ndgames report...

[Thorthoth]

If stating deliberate falsehoods that are tantamount to accusing another of a rule violation they did not commit, is not itself an implicit rule violation, then CC's already shaky grasp on the underpinnings of justice completely dissolves.

[owenshooter]

If stating deliberate falsehoods that are tantamount to accusing another of a rule violation they did not commit, is not itself an implicit rule violation, then CC's already shaky grasp on the underpinnings of justice completely dissolves.

i'm sorry, i must have missed the part where a rule was violated. there is no rule concerning game chat and mis-information. throw in the added hilarity of the users name and this all adds up to nothing... perhaps you could find an old post concerning a similar matter in which the accused was punished, then you'd have a defense. we all know how good you are at digging up old threads, Thor, help this guy out... guess what, none exist, because this is not against the rules. this is just like giving false info in a fog game... in team games i have been known to "accidentally" post team chat in the group chat, leaving false plans out there in the wind... people do it!! it is a tactic!!
again, nothing here is against the rules.

have a great witch hunt, nothing to see here...-Jésus noir

*nothing to see here*

[IcePack]

Please take your discussion elsewhere.
C&A is for evidence on the case

[m1ndgames]

Please take your discussion elsewhere.
C&A is for evidence on the case

Where else would someone go, who doesn't know whether lying like that is allowed, other than the C&A forum? I came here with a clear concern. The evidence is plain to see. What isn't is whether such a rule exists - maybe it should.

Fabricating game play or passing misinformation is one thing, smearing someone's reputation with lies is another. A massive, immoral other.

[riskllama]

IP's gettin' all GC up in C&A...