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Little Witt - game throwing

PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 5:21 pm
by mrswdk
Accused:

Little Witt


The accused are suspected of:

Other: game throwing



Game number(s):

Game 17514546


Comments: I attack this guy a few times and he gets mad AF and declares he's going to throw the game in our opponent's favor:

2017-06-19 23:10:16 - Little Witt: I am being screwed over by your fking lies
2017-06-19 23:10:33 - Little Witt: Screw you I'm throwing to red
2017-06-19 23:10:38 - Little Witt: you don't desvere a win for lying


He then spent the rest of the game attacking me and only me. End result being that our opponent wins and I don't.

Open and shut case of deliberate game throwing.

Re: Little Witt - game throwing

PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 6:06 pm
by Thorthoth
Did you lie, Mr. swdk?

Re: Little Witt - game throwing

PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 6:42 pm
by riskllama
post the full chat, mrs...

Re: Little Witt - game throwing

PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 12:50 am
by mrswdk
riskllama wrote:post the full chat, mrs...


His meltdown was pretty amusing, but still.

Re: Little Witt - game throwing

PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:09 am
by Thorthoth
In this case, I'm with you, Mr.

Little Twit is a piece of manipulative hysterical trash that should foed, 1-starred and C&Aed until it bleeds to death.

Re: Little Witt - game throwing

PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:43 am
by Witt13
Full disclosure up front: I am Little Witt's older brother, so I understand if you view my words with a grain of salt. Therefore I will be objective as possible.

First, I agree his behavior was utterly pathetic. I am embarrassed for him after reading that log. Based on his ratings, that isn't his first meltdown either. Anyway, the two of us are having a discussion about it, because he needs to grow up. That isn't how you should act in any setting, and you can't hide behind the curtain of the internet. I personally wouldn't want to work with someone or hangout with someone like that either. From my periodic checking of C&A in the past, CC's policy has just been if you don't want to hear someone who has a potty mouth, foe them.

However, the accusation wasn't for concerning all the F bombs dropped, but specifically for game throwing. The comment above was posted just as round 21 was starting, but the game went the full 30 rounds. I don't have access to snapshots of the game, but from reading the game log this is what I gather. I will say it looks like he primarily did focus on you, but not every attack in the game log was against you. For example, his last attack was against red. I don't think there is any merit that he nurfed the game by totally suiciding into you right after his reactionary comments. You made a comment that he was stacking in round 26, so you were even pointing out he was trying to be sneaky in the fog and win the game even though he was complaining the entire time:
2017-06-19 17:13:54 - mrswdk: no way
2017-06-19 17:13:57 - mrswdk: nice 40 stack
2017-06-19 17:14:00 - mrswdk: you kept thgat quiet

However, the thing that is most against your accusation is that in a game of fog, the final troop count was 57-57-56 (you lost based on region count). It looks like to me that you probably did build a nice lead in the fog, and both both LW and red attacked you to bring you back to the group, but LW was entirely trying to still win the game. Was he attempting to be manipulative in chat to attempt to help him win the game?
Definitely. Were his actions honorable? I'd say no. I wouldn't want to play my games against someone like that. But did he throw the game and quit? Definitely no.

Like I said above, if you don't want to listen to my stuff, that is fine. But I attempted to provide one objective view. My goal isn't to start a flame war by coming to my brother's defense (I can predict which trolls will be commenting after this. Don't stoop to that level. Actually contribute something). If you have more damning information against him, then definitely bring it forward. But honestly, I currently think your case is weak.

I also find it a little humorous that your post came 4 minutes after losing the game. That is just as reactionary as his colorful commentary in chat, though a little more PG, so thanks for keeping yours clean. :)

Re: Little Witt - game throwing

PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:23 am
by Razorvich
1 minute speeders tend to do that to some people.. nothing to read into it though

Re: Little Witt - game throwing

PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 9:25 am
by IcePack
If he attacked you that much and the game was within 1 troop in the end doesn't that show he needed to do so in order to try to win? I mean, it's a such close game if you ignore all the manipulation in chat whee people can exaggerate or lie, in the end the strategy appears sound and becomes more of a foe and move on if you don't like his style of play?

Re: Little Witt - game throwing

PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:22 pm
by mrswdk
IcePack wrote:If he attacked you that much and the game was within 1 troop in the end doesn't that show he needed to do so in order to try to win? I mean, it's a such close game if you ignore all the manipulation in chat whee people can exaggerate or lie, in the end the strategy appears sound and becomes more of a foe and move on if you don't like his style of play?


2017-06-19 23:10:33 - Little Witt: Screw you I'm throwing to red

Re: Little Witt - game throwing

PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:30 pm
by IcePack
mrswdk wrote:
IcePack wrote:If he attacked you that much and the game was within 1 troop in the end doesn't that show he needed to do so in order to try to win? I mean, it's a such close game if you ignore all the manipulation in chat whee people can exaggerate or lie, in the end the strategy appears sound and becomes more of a foe and move on if you don't like his style of play?


2017-06-19 23:10:33 - Little Witt: Screw you I'm throwing to red


And yet he remained competitive to the end. So just like someone can say "red has 1,000 troops on X" when he's got 50, doesn't necessarily mean he's telling the truth or that it's poor play.
Clearly despite that either you were leading to a point that he needed to attack or he remained competitive despite it, meaning it might not have been bad strategy.
Maybe by saying it he was trying to get you to react or over react so he could make the win?

Re: Little Witt - game throwing

PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 6:11 pm
by mrswdk
If by 'competitive' you mean 'suicided into me repeatedly'.

I take it no one will ever be getting punished for secret diplomacy from now on because when they post on another player's wall asking for an alliance they might just be joking.

Re: Little Witt - game throwing

PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 6:21 pm
by IcePack
mrswdk wrote:If by 'competitive' you mean 'suicided into me repeatedly'.

I take it no one will ever be getting punished for secret diplomacy from now on because when they post on another player's wall asking for an alliance they might just be joking.


posting on a wall is against the rules and very clear. game throwing isn't the same thing at all.

Re: Little Witt - game throwing

PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:32 am
by mrswdk
IcePack wrote:
mrswdk wrote:If by 'competitive' you mean 'suicided into me repeatedly'.

I take it no one will ever be getting punished for secret diplomacy from now on because when they post on another player's wall asking for an alliance they might just be joking.


posting on a wall is against the rules and very clear.


Whereas stating 'I am going to throw the game' is ambiguous.

Re: Little Witt - game throwing

PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:32 am
by IcePack
mrswdk wrote:
IcePack wrote:
mrswdk wrote:If by 'competitive' you mean 'suicided into me repeatedly'.

I take it no one will ever be getting punished for secret diplomacy from now on because when they post on another player's wall asking for an alliance they might just be joking.


posting on a wall is against the rules and very clear.


Whereas stating 'I am going to throw the game' is ambiguous.


Scenario 1: don't post diplomacy on wall, someone does, very clear.
Scenario 2: don't throw games, someone says they will, but stays competitive and doesn't auto assault every territory down to 1 and could "say" they were going to but the question is not what they said, but what did they do. Not nearly as clear and more ambiguous then you are making it.

You call it suiciding, he could be just attacking the leader repeatedly trying to even the game. People say things in anger and then think rationally later. Simply saying "I'm going to throw a game" is not evidence enough for guilty verdict on game throwing.

Re: Little Witt - game throwing

PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:49 pm
by mrswdk
I don't call it suiciding, I call it game throwing. You don't have to suicide to throw a game.

Re: Little Witt - game throwing

PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 6:13 pm
by Thorthoth
mrswdk wrote:I don't call it suiciding, I call it game throwing. You don't have to suicide to throw a game.


Hey Mr.,when you say dumb things like that people are going to quote you.

Re: Little Witt - game throwing

PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:10 pm
by mrswdk
If someone stating 'I am going to throw this game' before attacking one player only and costing that player the game does not count as game throwing then clearly there is absolutely no behaviour that would be counted as game throwing and that rule should be scrapped.

Re: Little Witt - game throwing

PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:08 pm
by BoganGod
mrswdk wrote:If someone stating 'I am going to throw this game' before attacking one player only and costing that player the game does not count as game throwing then clearly there is absolutely no behaviour that would be counted as game throwing and that rule should be scrapped.

If someone says they are a woman, and they're not....... If I say I'm a God........ If Politicians say trust me....... Actions not words my little cup of tasty noodle soup.

Re: Little Witt - game throwing

PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:09 pm
by Thorthoth
I think that you may referring to that unenforceable slippery-slope concept known as 'unbalanced play'.

At what point reporting 'unbalanced' play becomes being a sore loser is one of the great mysteries of CC.

(btw, none of this changes the fact that Little Witt is indeed obnoxious).

Re: Little Witt - game throwing

PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 11:20 am
by Chewie1
Who cares.

Speed games develop a whole new form of frustrations and irrational actions.

Foe and move on.

Re: Little Witt - game throwing

PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 1:07 pm
by mrswdk
I guess the rules don't apply if it's a speed game then.

Re: Little Witt - game throwing

PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:30 am
by owenshooter
mrswdk wrote:
IcePack wrote:
mrswdk wrote:If by 'competitive' you mean 'suicided into me repeatedly'.

I take it no one will ever be getting punished for secret diplomacy from now on because when they post on another player's wall asking for an alliance they might just be joking.


posting on a wall is against the rules and very clear.


Whereas stating 'I am going to throw the game' is ambiguous.


actually, the fake surrender is a very effective tool to make other players let their guard down... so, yeah, it is ambiguous... kind of like when someone misses 2 turns and the troop count keeps adding up and everyone in the game just figures they are going to miss 3 and dead beat, THEN THEY SHOW UP AND KICK ASS and everyone cries... it is a tactic, people use it. until you have proof that he threw the game, good luck with this complaint... -Jn

Re: Little Witt - game throwing

PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 10:48 am
by iAmCaffeine
Anyone who posts in this thread with serious intentions has been trolled.

Re: Little Witt - game throwing

PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 2:37 pm
by Thorthoth
iAmCaffeine wrote:Anyone who posts in this thread with serious intentions has been trolled.

Of course, it was born from the obviously artificial womb of one of CC's arch-trolls.

Re: Little Witt - game throwing

PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 6:18 pm
by mrswdk
To summarize this thread so far: declaring an intention to throw a game against someone before relentlessly attacking them and handing the game to their opponent is probably not game throwing and anyone who claims it is is probably just trolling.

Next thread: why missing three turns in a row and getting kicked is not deadbeating.