Conquer Club

Accused:
osman76
nemapredaje

The accused are suspected of:
Conducting Secret Diplomacy ?

Game number(s):
Game 17376758

Comments:
It is a freestyle game, we are three remaining players. I feel like my both opponents are conducting secret diplomacy in order to play there round together when they are both ready (I am waiting for one of them to turn the round on).

nemapredaje started to wrote on Osman76 wall this message: "your turn https://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=17376758"
Osman76 response: "we can play next turn
https://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=17376758"

They both play last turn in the same minute both attacking me:
2017-04-21 21:01:43 - nemapredaje ended the turn and got spoils
2017-04-21 21:02:20 - osman76 deployed 8 troops on ?

This morning, waiting for my turn, I saw that nemapredaje (freemium with only 3 games active) connect to Conquer for more than 30 minutes but didn't play his turn. I suspect him to wait again for osman.
I don't know if they have been exchanging more than wall messages but this seems awkward to me and not fair.

It is a game that it is 99% win for Mishalex so our only hope to come back was to play our turns consecutively. So we informed each other with wall messages as an alert for the turn. No private messages, no tactics discussion, just a "turn has come" notification. It is ridiculous to get this as diplomacy tactics. All good players attack the leader when he deploys more than the other players combined.

You're walling each other to co-ordinate your attacks. Of course that's secret diplomacy lmfao. Pathetic that a player like osman76 would resort to such "tactics". You can't discuss the game outside of the game so how is co-ordinating your attacks with an opponent in the game, versus another opponent of the game, not the same?

haha you are funny

iamcaffeine,where is problem?
i send him(in that time osman was online and dont take his turn,then go off) message to faster play...
funny guys

haha you are funny

seems fishy to say the least curious the out come of this one ,,,,,

Too much talk for a game that is already 99.9% won by Mishalex. (2017-04-21 17:13:04 - Mishalex: gg guys)

Indicating a turn come in somebody's wall WHEN he is online is not a diplomatic discussion. It is not even a discussion. End of period.

osman76 wrote:Indicating a turn come in somebody's wall WHEN he is online is not a diplomatic discussion. It is not even a discussion. End of period.

I disagree with you. This game was not a team game...

Mishalex wrote:

osman76 wrote:Indicating a turn come in somebody's wall WHEN he is online is not a diplomatic discussion. It is not even a discussion. End of period.

I disagree with you. This game was not a team game...

Aren't you allowed to wall people for games even standard etc the rules as far as I'm aware says you can wall them and direct them to a game or ask that they look at chat etc.

I'm not aware of special rules saying freestyles can't do the same as long as they aren't discussing things outside of chat, it's still just game notification?

IcePack wrote:

Mishalex wrote:

osman76 wrote:Indicating a turn come in somebody's wall WHEN he is online is not a diplomatic discussion. It is not even a discussion. End of period.

I disagree with you. This game was not a team game...

Aren't you allowed to wall people for games even standard etc the rules as far as I'm aware says you can wall them and direct them to a game or ask that they look at chat etc.

I'm not aware of special rules saying freestyles can't do the same as long as they aren't discussing things outside of chat, it's still just game notification?

It's not as simple as "hey it's your turn". They co-ordinated when to play their turn. There is a clear motive behind their actions, not just a simple turn notification.

- Oz in my opinion has always been a great player that wouldn't need resorting to cheap tactics, Seems Oz got caught up in some chitter chatter with Nema at the wrong place,wrong time.

- I predict a warning, Oz already knows better *)

Guys, to be clear, I never had any problem with this two players and I hope it will stay the same. A warning and some clarification of the rules for me could be good... What do you mean by secret diplomacy if this is not it?

It's clearly a warning.

Mishalex wrote:Guys, to be clear, I never had any problem with this two players and I hope it will stay the same. A warning and some clarification of the rules for me could be good... What do you mean by secret diplomacy if this is not it?

Secret diplomacy would mean you couldn't have seen it.

I think what they did is perfectly legal, as it just a notification that states 'you can play', and I think freestyle settings are there to play at the same time, aren't they?
Also disagree they should be warned whatsoever...

PurpleViper wrote:

Mishalex wrote:Guys, to be clear, I never had any problem with this two players and I hope it will stay the same. A warning and some clarification of the rules for me could be good... What do you mean by secret diplomacy if this is not it?

Secret diplomacy would mean you couldn't have seen it.

Comments like this are why you should stop commenting in C&A so often. Secret diplomacy can be conducted on walls and is how the majority of players are caught conducting secret diplomacy, which is defined as discussing anything related to the game and not mentioned in the game, outside of the game.

But as I said earlier, you can direct people to a specific game via the wall. How is this not covered by that? They weren't saying:

"Game X is up let's play, you take north I go south" they simply notified each other then next turn was up and available.

How is "we can play next turn" the same as "it's your turn"?

iAmCaffeine wrote:How is "we can play next turn" the same as "it's your turn"?

We can play this turn == "you and me both can start the turn right now".
We can play this turn == "We can play this turn together".

It depends on how you read it.

Please don't try and explain English to me when it's not your first language. There are many ways the comment can be read, but "it's your turn" is not one of them.

iAmCaffeine wrote:Please don't try and explain English to me when it's not your first language. There are many ways the comment can be read, but "it's your turn" is not one of them.

Please don't try to explain other's intention to me when you're not one of them. Think critically. You admit there are multiple ways to interpret the comment, but fail to see some of them.

Btw you're the first to insult me on my English, including online peeps. Well, apart from the guy that told me I was a Yankee when I was in Canada, I guess.
Edit: Actually I think you made that exact same comment earlier too... Still first though.

iAmCaffeine wrote:How is "we can play next turn" the same as "it's your turn"?

Where does it only say you can use the specific words "its your turn"? Notifying for Freestyle clearly is slightly different then team games, where "its your turn" can apply.
But in Freestyle, everyone but the last person can play. So "we can play next turn" is just as simple of a notification regarding that the next turn is available to be played.

Extreme Ways wrote:

iAmCaffeine wrote:Please don't try and explain English to me when it's not your first language. There are many ways the comment can be read, but "it's your turn" is not one of them.

Please don't try to explain other's intention to me when you're not one of them. Think critically. You admit there are multiple ways to interpret the comment, but fail to see some of them.

Btw you're the first to insult me on my English, including online peeps. Well, apart from the guy that told me I was a Yankee when I was in Canada, I guess.
Edit: Actually I think you made that exact same comment earlier too... Still first though.

I never insulted you, I just said I don't need any forms of English explaining to me by someone who doesn't speak it as a natural tongue. I could also add I don't need anyone who's first language is English to explain anything to me either. My mother is an English teacher and I've grown up with a very good understanding of the language.

IcePack wrote:

iAmCaffeine wrote:How is "we can play next turn" the same as "it's your turn"?

Where does it only say you can use the specific words "its your turn"? Notifying for Freestyle clearly is slightly different then team games, where "its your turn" can apply.
But in Freestyle, everyone but the last person can play. So "we can play next turn" is just as simple of a notification regarding that the next turn is available to be played.

I think you're missing my point. Why did osman76 say "we can play" as if it's together? It's the wording and their aim in the game at the moment - to target Mishalex - that makes this seem slightly underhand. I'm not sure why people are getting so flustered by my opinion, but whatever. I believe this is a warning since both players should at least know better and are playing with fire with their actions.

iAmCaffeine wrote:

Extreme Ways wrote:

iAmCaffeine wrote:Please don't try and explain English to me when it's not your first language. There are many ways the comment can be read, but "it's your turn" is not one of them.

Please don't try to explain other's intention to me when you're not one of them. Think critically. You admit there are multiple ways to interpret the comment, but fail to see some of them.

Btw you're the first to insult me on my English, including online peeps. Well, apart from the guy that told me I was a Yankee when I was in Canada, I guess.
Edit: Actually I think you made that exact same comment earlier too... Still first though.

I never insulted you, I just said I don't need any forms of English explaining to me by someone who doesn't speak it as a natural tongue. I could also add I don't need anyone who's first language is English to explain anything to me either. My mother is an English teacher and I've grown up with a very good understanding of the language.

IcePack wrote:

iAmCaffeine wrote:How is "we can play next turn" the same as "it's your turn"?

Where does it only say you can use the specific words "its your turn"? Notifying for Freestyle clearly is slightly different then team games, where "its your turn" can apply.
But in Freestyle, everyone but the last person can play. So "we can play next turn" is just as simple of a notification regarding that the next turn is available to be played.

I think you're missing my point. Why did osman76 say "we can play" as if it's together? It's the wording and their aim in the game at the moment - to target Mishalex - that makes this seem slightly underhand. I'm not sure why people are getting so flustered by my opinion, but whatever. I believe this is a warning since both players should at least know better and are playing with fire with their actions.

I'm not missing your point. My thoughts here is that why are they getting a warning doing something thats allowed? Just because you are reading it one way does not negate the other considerations. Posting on the wall is allowed as long as theres no diplomacy, notification of a turn (regardless of its not using the phrase you prefer to see) is still not against the rules. Unless theres something specifically for freestyle saying mentioning of when the turns jump up is against the rules, I dont see your point having any legs to stand on. Notification of a turn is allowed, its not allowed* (*only when not in freestyle) AFAIK. Though, I'm no freestyle expert so maybe there is. But I haven't seen or heard anything like that in the past cases.