Conquer Club

Accused:
lemonade727

The accused are suspected of:
Point dumping

Game number(s):
17055062 was the one I was in, but looking at his log he suddenly started losing a lot of games from missed turns/suiciding the past few days - he lost 11 out of his last 15 two player games, for example.

Comments:
In 17055062 lemonade727 very, very blatantly set up kcastanos to win. If you look at the game, you can see that Round 19 he spent all his troops even attacking the neutral territories on the board then spread his few remaining troops out for kcastanos to take.

laeloo wrote:Accused:
lemonade727

The accused are suspected of:
Point dumping

Game number(s):
Game 17055062 was the one I was in, but looking at his log he suddenly started losing a lot of games from missed turns/suiciding the past few days - he lost 11 out of his last 15 two player games, for example.

Comments:
In Game 17055062 lemonade727 very, very blatantly set up kcastanos to win. If you look at the game, you can see that Round 19 he spent all his troops even attacking the neutral territories on the board then spread his few remaining troops out for kcastanos to take.

- Fixed - MGM♎

Looking at recently played games, and discounting games with more than two players I reached a count of 9-23 before I gave up counting. Not as compelling a case as a few recent ones [where the loss to win ratio was absolutely ridiculous], but the drop of score from 2100 to 800 and the evidence of certain specific games surely should cause a raised eyebrow or two.

I don't even know what "point dumping" is. The past several days were over a holiday weekend...I had family and friends in town and my priority was not taking turns on conquer club.

Arama86n wrote:Looking at recently played games, and discounting games with more than two players I reached a count of 9-23 before I gave up counting. Not as compelling a case as a few recent ones [where the loss to win ratio was absolutely ridiculous], but the drop of score from 2100 to 800 and the evidence of certain specific games surely should cause a raised eyebrow or two.

not if the guy has a life and the holidays took priority over CC, like for the rest of us with lives...

lemonade727 wrote:I don't even know what "point dumping" is. The past several days were over a holiday weekend...I had family and friends in town and my priority was not taking turns on conquer club.

oh! look, that is exactly what happened... witch hunt... leave the guy alone...-Jn

p.s.-some of you are WAY TOO OBSESSED with the monthly scoreboard challenges. once again, this proves what a shitty idea that was.

At first I didn't even bother looking at what game laeloo was bitching about because I have never cheated in or intentionally lost any game, but when I noticed he's only been playing for a month I had to scope it out. This was actually a game that did not suffer neglect from me over the holidays and I 100% stand by my play in that game. Anyone who has played the New World map for almost a DECADE (as I have) knows that it is a difficult map to break a 3-player near-stalemate with escalating cards. Ummm yes I attacked neutrals on many turns to gain a card and not open up a bowling alley into my territories for either remaining opponent. Please spend more than a month on conquer club and perhaps play more than a SINGLE GAME on a map before you start publicly accusing players of cheating based on strategy and gameplay.

You stand by one turn of yours that took the game from parity in troop #'s between 3 players, to 2 players with yourself at 1/4 the troops of the other guy and with no more than 1-3 guys per country? Please. That's not a strategy. It doesn't really matter what the board is.

People, including myself, make dumb, and sometimes suicidal plays. I was just perplexed by a blatant, random decision to suddenly give up the game by someone with a reasonable rank, until I checked your game log and saw it wasn't just that one game.

owenshooter wrote:[...] like for the rest of us with lives...[...]

Now there's one I won't forget for a while.

PS I don't give a shit about that scoreboard, hardly ever looked at it. But when I see absolutely blatant cheating in C&A [Krapht], and things not being done about it [xroads], I fricking lose it.
You spend month after month whining on about everything that is supposedly wrong with this site. Allow me this ONE pet peeve: Blatant cheaters that abuse the system in a way to make it hard to prosecute.

The fact that the OP is probably wrong about lemonade doesn't change the fact that there is an issue.

Arama86n wrote:

owenshooter wrote:[...] like for the rest of us with lives...[...]

Now there's one I won't forget for a while.

PS I don't give a shit about that scoreboard, hardly ever looked at it. But when I see absolutely blatant cheating in C&A [Krapht], and things not being done about it [xroads], I fricking lose it.
You spend month after month whining on about everything that is supposedly wrong with this site. Allow me this ONE pet peeve: Blatant cheaters that abuse the system in a way to make it hard to prosecute.

The fact that the OP is probably wrong about lemonade doesn't change the fact that there is an issue.

- The only scoreboard I ever look at is the main scoreboard from A-Z, the others are a farse.

-\MGM/-♎

Arama86n wrote:The fact that the OP is probably wrong about lemonade doesn't change the fact that there is an issue.

um... but this has nothing to do with the real issue... this is not representative of the issues you care about... so, if members are falsely accused, to you it is a good thing, because others are ACTUALLY doing what he is accused of? um... ok... not sure i follow your logic there... but i do not deny there is an actual issue...-Jn

p.s.-maybe you should just start C&A threads at the top of every hour accusing people of things you don't like, even if they aren't doing them, to shed light on the issue... *huh*

laeloo wrote:You stand by one turn of yours that took the game from parity in troop #'s between 3 players, to 2 players with yourself at 1/4 the troops of the other guy and with no more than 1-3 guys per country? Please. That's not a strategy. It doesn't really matter what the board is.

Yes, I do. I'm an aggressive player and make aggressive moves. I play almost exclusively escalating card games with 6+ players and I make a lot of bold moves. In the situation of our New World game, yes I had fewer troops than red once it was down to a 2-player game, but he was boxed in and could not use those troops against me on his next turn because they were on homelands blocked by his own troops. That means it was likely I would get another turn, and that I would get to cash in a big card payoff on that turn. It was a calculated decision, not a suicide.

lemonade727 wrote:

laeloo wrote:

Yes, I do. I'm an aggressive player and make aggressive moves. I play almost exclusively escalating card games with 6+ players and I make a lot of bold moves. In the situation of our New World game, yes I had fewer troops than red once it was down to a 2-player game, but he was boxed in and could not use those troops against me on his next turn because they were on homelands blocked by his own troops. That means it was likely I would get another turn, and that I would get to cash in a big card payoff on that turn. It was a calculated decision, not a suicide.

why are you justifying yourself to someone with 54 total games under his belt? this isn't a war tribunal in which you must answer for each and every move you made. this is a casual gaming site. if he doesn't like how you played, he has the option to foe you and move on. you don't need to answer to him, the mods will ask you any questions they feel they may want answered, and i doubt there will be ONE they want answered. keep enjoying the site, keep playing games and keep putting your life first. have a great day! the black jesus loves and supports you...-Jn

p.s.-if every turn went as he had it scripted in his mind, it wouldn't be a game now, would it?

Arama86n wrote:Looking at recently played games, and discounting games with more than two players I reached a count of 9-23 before I gave up counting. Not as compelling a case as a few recent ones [where the loss to win ratio was absolutely ridiculous], but the drop of score from 2100 to 800 and the evidence of certain specific games surely should cause a raised eyebrow or two.

Arama86n I just wanted to address this real quick because I'm so distressed to be accused like this! I play large, escalating World 2.1 games to earn my points. They take a long time and I frequently have big score swings as I'm waiting for wins on long-term games. I play 2-player games (often speed games) to pass the time while I'm drunk and watching TV. For me, those are just fun, quick games and sometimes I run upstairs to pee or get a snack and miss a turn. On a map like Baltic Crusades trench (the map I most frequently play in this scenario), missing a turn is usually a death sentence. I know that's not a great habit, but a girl is drunk and needs to pee. And yes, sometimes I have an issue with missing turns around holidays which helps explain my recent worse-than usual record.

Anyways, I am looking forward to my name being cleared. I am a very positive player, never complain about dice or make rude comments. I just generally try to be a good sport, and I NEVER cheat or intentionally lose. If I wasn't a wino who liked to play speed games while watching Parks and Rec my rating would probably be much more consistently high.

owenshooter wrote:
if he doesn't like how you played, he has the option to foe you and move on. you don't need to answer to him, the mods will ask you any questions they feel they may want answered, and i doubt there will be ONE they want answered. keep enjoying the site, keep playing games and keep putting your life first. have a great day!

Thanks for the support owenshooter

I agree! I will keep enjoying the game.

lemonade727 wrote:

owenshooter wrote:
if he doesn't like how you played, he has the option to foe you and move on. you don't need to answer to him, the mods will ask you any questions they feel they may want answered, and i doubt there will be ONE they want answered. keep enjoying the site, keep playing games and keep putting your life first. have a great day!

Thanks for the support owenshooter

I agree! I will keep enjoying the game.

you will learn i am one of the most positive and supportive players on the site. i am only here to help. contact me anytime you need anything. the black jesus loves all of his children...-Jn

*except the racist ones*
those are the ones who need your love the most, owen...

Shame on you if you are point dumping and by the way I am available to play anytime...lol

Cleared

sniffie wrote:As usual, Owenshooter is 100% correct. He has yet to be wrong in C&A.

thanks sniffie!!! appreciate that!!! -Jn

lemonade727 wrote:girl is drunk

Hi, I don't believe we've met.