Conquer Club

Posted: **Sun Jan 01, 2017 6:23 pm**

Accused:
KraphtOne

The accused are suspected of:
Intentionally losing/point dumping.

Krapth's skill had dropped immensely. It's a very tough game for him currently. I think he likes to win monthly scoreboard or just get the most number of points won in a single game award or something with CC11.

Game 17083591 - Joined as second player, left the game not even a minute later.
Game 17079863 - Is ahead, deadbeats.
Game 17079849 - Deadbeats. Note that the game above was played during deadbeating this.
Game 17080323 - Decides he suddenly has no skill anymore and takes 2 neutral to take a bonus easily broken. Note that this is just extremely poor play in comparison to how Krapht used to play.
Game 17079664 - Opponent takes a bonus turn 1, Krapht owns both neigbouring territories yet drops entirely elsewhere to take a neutral. Does it again the turn after, to take a bonus once again broken easily.
Game 17079600 - Didn't even try to attack for the most part of the game.
Game 17079519 - Took a neutral, unnecessary and more poor play by a non-poor player. I'd also like to know if he was sitting on a set T5.
Game 17075277 - Krapht takes 5 neutrals in a map with 18 regions, of which 3/5 are on the same continent so this is once again very obvious not trying to win.
Game 17075274 - OK this game was lost from the get-go since opponent dropped a bonus and started, but he literally drops on a territory surrounded by neutrals the whole game. I do understand Krapht not wanting to play since he had no chance to break the bonus.
Game 17062114 - Once again poor play. Krapth drops Iceland for no reason while Africa is almost in full control of opponent.
Game 17053688 - Taking China T1 is not just a mistake, it's trying to lose.

I found these games by just checking some speeders and reading logs in games where it's easy to say whether someone tried or not. Krapth isn't a bad player at all and never played this poor. If he denies it's not trying to win I'd argue he's account sharing instead. There's plenty more if you really dedicate some time to it.

Posted: **Sun Jan 01, 2017 6:40 pm**

Slipped and fell when I was leaving your mom's house a few weeks ago... Haven't been the same since...

The dice here are rigged. If I'm going to lose I try not to draw it out... Cause I'm not a dick... Well, I mean... Not a dick when it comes to that...

And sometimes you get pulled away and can't finish a game... I've missed more turns than most people have taken...

Used to lose games and points because of bad dice and missed turns but it didn't matter cause i could just win them back... Now nobody plays anything but bullshit here... Fucking Baltic Crusades over and over... And they all cheat while they're playing... Hate this place...

Also, You spelled my name wrong in the title of this thread...

Also, what's the ruling? KraphtOne has been warned to play better... and the guy warning me would be a fellow private...

If you would like for me to gain some points back then feel free to play me in some 1vs1 games of my choosing... Instead of doing what everyone else here does and set up specific style games and maybe get 1 a day in...

And in closing, Moby sucks.

Posted: **Sun Jan 01, 2017 6:43 pm**

KraphtOne wrote:Also, You spelled my name wrong in the title of this thread...

Fixed

For the most part I had expected a better defense if you were innocent. Not namecalling and saying it aint so, but comparing it to games played in the past. I know you dont have the burden of proof, but still.

And in closing, Moby sucks.

Very relevant. Not really my kind of music either, I'm a metalhead.

Posted: **Sun Jan 01, 2017 6:45 pm**

Extreme Ways wrote:Accused:

Game 17053688 - Taking China T1 is not just a mistake, it's trying to lose.

I figured I'd click on one of these links and see what the argument is...

I clearly dropped on germany, lost the roll and then attacked china with 2 other countries to get a card...

We established in our last BR game that you can't read a log and use intelligence to figure out the story...

Matter of fact, how IS your rank so high... I remember you from back in the day and don't remember you being anything to write home about... Go set up some standard doodle earth's and watch your score drop 4000 points in a week... For a fact... And there's nothing you would be able to do about it...

And if you expected me to argue intelligently rather than just name-call then i think you have mistaken me for someone else... It's exactly my thing...

And once again I just feel I need to say that Moby sucks...

Posted: **Sun Jan 01, 2017 7:20 pm**

[quote="KraphtOne"
Matter of fact, how IS your rank so high... I remember you from back in the day and don't remember you being anything to write home about... Go set up some standard doodle earth's and watch your score drop 4000 points in a week... For a fact... And there's nothing you would be able to do about it...
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I won BRs and stopped dropping around 3800. I cant even drop 4k btw, and back in the day I used to be 2000-2500. I improved.

Posted: **Mon Jan 02, 2017 12:57 am**

Arama86n wrote:
KraphtOne wrote:The real question is how do you prove that someone is losing on purpose... I mean, it's a tough game...

For fucks sake.

KrapgtOne's last 50 games 1-49

Yeah, sure... an experienced player like yourself just loses 49 games in a row and drops to cadet...

That "most-improved" medal is obviously just a pathetic joke and should be scrapped if this is the way people get it.

Posted: **Mon Jan 02, 2017 9:48 am**

Xroads was doing the same and he was cleared. Xroads is up 155% in rank in one day... Amazing turn of the dice. From down 30% in December to up 155% in one day!!!

Posted: **Mon Jan 02, 2017 10:37 am**

bobdakota wrote:Xroads was doing the same and he was cleared. Xroads is up 155% in rank in one day... Amazing turn of the dice. From down 30% in December to up 155% in one day!!!

Well, even if he is cleared it will hopefully draw light to a glaring flaw in the precedents that have been set, and perhaps the rules themselves.

That this behaviour is allowed to persist frankly embarrassing. It reminds me of a time long ago when a few of us tried to bring to light the severe farming of NR's by creating 5-player games and thus abusing the mechanics of the site at that time. That also took it's sweet time to resolve, which I found appalling.

We can ALL see what is happening here. Change the precedents, change the rules. Do your jobs.
OR remove the most-improved scoreboard and medal if you for whatever reason will not see to the above.

This sort of thing has always pissed me off.
And to be honest it is not the people doing it that annoy me the most, there will ALWAYS be such people. It is the fact that it is not cracked down upon in a timely fashion.

Posted: **Mon Jan 02, 2017 2:28 pm**

Arama86n wrote:
bobdakota wrote:Xroads was doing the same and he was cleared. Xroads is up 155% in rank in one day... Amazing turn of the dice. From down 30% in December to up 155% in one day!!!

Well, even if he is cleared it will hopefully draw light to a glaring flaw in the precedents that have been set, and perhaps the rules themselves.

That this behaviour is allowed to persist frankly embarrassing. It reminds me of a time long ago when a few of us tried to bring to light the severe farming of NR's by creating 5-player games and thus abusing the mechanics of the site at that time. That also took it's sweet time to resolve, which I found appalling.

We can ALL see what is happening here. Change the precedents, change the rules. Do your jobs.
OR remove the most-improved scoreboard and medal if you for whatever reason will not see to the above.

This sort of thing has always pissed me off.
And to be honest it is not the people doing it that annoy me the most, there will ALWAYS be such people. It is the fact that it is not cracked down upon in a timely fashion.

- Agree 100%

Posted: **Mon Jan 02, 2017 2:33 pm**

Here is my proposal to eliminate (or at least reduce) this kind of behavior:
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=221257

Posted: **Mon Jan 02, 2017 8:40 pm**

Whatever rules/guidelines/precedents are made, be it that there are plenty enough or not enough, there will always be a complain. Some people will find a way to exploit something or get around to get away with something. There will always be people like that. You come up with a new rule or precedent, and people will still find a way to complain about it. This is a gaming website and we are here to play the game. No matter how many rules there are out there, if we are focused in conducting bad behavior then we can only blame ourselves of whatever outcome we produce.

KraphtOne is given a one month ban based on the facts presented from this report.

Posted: **Tue Jan 03, 2017 2:48 am**

Be that as it may king achilles, the fact that there always will be miscreants should not deter us from trying to stop them. And when the abuse is so utterly evident as is here the case, something MUST be done to uphold the integrity of the site, and the faith of it's paying membership.

I am glad that it was [done], and am satisfied with the outcome.

Posted: **Thu Jan 05, 2017 12:31 pm**

king achilles wrote:KraphtOne is given a one month ban based on the facts presented from this report.

boo... and now you ALL KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN HE RETURNS!!

none of us have a chance. you have been warned...-Jn

Posted: **Fri Jan 13, 2017 12:49 pm**

king achilles wrote:KraphtOne is given a one month ban based on the facts presented from this report.

Mate that's a fucking joke. Every single month people abuse bullshit to get the monthly medals: josko, xroads, betiko and others I don't care about enough to remember. So many people do it and what kind of punishment do they get? K1 does it and receives a one month ban. The difference is you know these other guys are manipulating the features but you can't literally prove it, so you won't act on it. Well, f*ck that. Grow a pair and if someone is blatantly abusing the system for a medal (like josko did, like xroads did), just punish them. I don't think anyone really cares about the solid proof when it's so fucking obvious what's happening. The difference here is K1 wasn't enough of a pussy to hide behind some feeble excuse.

The fact you have full grown men abusing a system and lying about it to get a medal in an online risk game makes me wonder what the f*ck is wrong with people.

Posted: **Fri Jan 13, 2017 1:01 pm**

iAmCaffeine wrote:
king achilles wrote:KraphtOne is given a one month ban based on the facts presented from this report.

Mate that's a fucking joke. Every single month people abuse bullshit to get the monthly medals: josko, xroads, betiko and others I don't care about enough to remember. So many people do it and what kind of punishment do they get? K1 does it and receives a one month ban. The difference is you know these other guys are manipulating the features but you can't literally prove it, so you won't act on it. Well, f*ck that. Grow a pair and if someone is blatantly abusing the system for a medal (like josko did, like xroads did), just punish them. I don't think anyone really cares about the solid proof when it's so fucking obvious what's happening. The difference here is K1 wasn't enough of a pussy to hide behind some feeble excuse.

The fact you have full grown men abusing a system and lying about it to get a medal in an online risk game makes me wonder what the f*ck is wrong with people.

Josko, xroads, etc didn't intentionally throw games. They abused the time you have for your turn, and didn't throw games like K1 did.

Posted: **Fri Jan 13, 2017 1:03 pm**

iAmCaffeine wrote:
king achilles wrote:KraphtOne is given a one month ban based on the facts presented from this report.

Mate that's a fucking joke. Every single month people abuse bullshit to get the monthly medals: josko, xroads, betiko and others I don't care about enough to remember. So many people do it and what kind of punishment do they get? K1 does it and receives a one month ban. The difference is you know these other guys are manipulating the features but you can't literally prove it, so you won't act on it. Well, f*ck that. Grow a pair and if someone is blatantly abusing the system for a medal (like josko did, like xroads did), just punish them. I don't think anyone really cares about the solid proof when it's so fucking obvious what's happening. The difference here is K1 wasn't enough of a pussy to hide behind some feeble excuse.

The fact you have full grown men abusing a system and lying about it to get a medal in an online risk game makes me wonder what the f*ck is wrong with people.

When a player wins most improved 2 or 3 times a year, they are cheating the system. It is obvious. When a player with 100% turns taken, starts missing turns at the end of the month while taking turns in other games it is obvious. But when you have friends, they will stick up for you and you can continue to cheat.

But the players that are liked don't get punished and while others do. No consistency.

Posted: **Fri Jan 13, 2017 1:10 pm**

Extreme Ways wrote:
iAmCaffeine wrote:
king achilles wrote:KraphtOne is given a one month ban based on the facts presented from this report.

Mate that's a fucking joke. Every single month people abuse bullshit to get the monthly medals: josko, xroads, betiko and others I don't care about enough to remember. So many people do it and what kind of punishment do they get? K1 does it and receives a one month ban. The difference is you know these other guys are manipulating the features but you can't literally prove it, so you won't act on it. Well, f*ck that. Grow a pair and if someone is blatantly abusing the system for a medal (like josko did, like xroads did), just punish them. I don't think anyone really cares about the solid proof when it's so fucking obvious what's happening. The difference here is K1 wasn't enough of a pussy to hide behind some feeble excuse.

The fact you have full grown men abusing a system and lying about it to get a medal in an online risk game makes me wonder what the f*ck is wrong with people.

Josko, xroads, etc didn't intentionally throw games. They abused the time you have for your turn, and didn't throw games like K1 did.

They abused more than the time allowed for a turn but you believe what you like lmao. This thread alone made me lose respect for you.

Posted: **Fri Jan 13, 2017 2:03 pm**

iAmCaffeine wrote:
Extreme Ways wrote:
iAmCaffeine wrote:
king achilles wrote:KraphtOne is given a one month ban based on the facts presented from this report.

Mate that's a fucking joke. Every single month people abuse bullshit to get the monthly medals: josko, xroads, betiko and others I don't care about enough to remember. So many people do it and what kind of punishment do they get? K1 does it and receives a one month ban. The difference is you know these other guys are manipulating the features but you can't literally prove it, so you won't act on it. Well, f*ck that. Grow a pair and if someone is blatantly abusing the system for a medal (like josko did, like xroads did), just punish them. I don't think anyone really cares about the solid proof when it's so fucking obvious what's happening. The difference here is K1 wasn't enough of a pussy to hide behind some feeble excuse.

The fact you have full grown men abusing a system and lying about it to get a medal in an online risk game makes me wonder what the f*ck is wrong with people.

Josko, xroads, etc didn't intentionally throw games. They abused the time you have for your turn, and didn't throw games like K1 did.

They abused more than the time allowed for a turn but you believe what you like lmao. This thread alone made me lose respect for you.

Good to hear you ever had it. Krapth basically announced he would be losing intentionally and you want me to let it slide? Maybe K1 wasnt enough of a pussy to hide behind some feeble excuse, but he was also not smart enough to hide behind some feeble excuse.

Posted: **Fri Jan 13, 2017 2:38 pm**

Extreme Ways wrote:
Good to hear you ever had it. Krapth basically announced he would be losing intentionally and you want me to let it slide? Maybe K1 wasnt enough of a pussy to hide behind some feeble excuse, but he was also not smart enough to hide behind some feeble excuse.

This is BS. K1 wasn't trying to hide or lie about what he was doing. That does not make him dumb. You, sticking up for xroads because he was "smart" is a disappointment. xroads had a system of cheating and lying and that is worse than what K1 did IMO.

We all make mistakes, but it is how we correct the mistakes that matter. xroads is covering up lies with more lies and you are supporting him.

Posted: **Fri Jan 13, 2017 5:27 pm**

Extreme Ways wrote:
iAmCaffeine wrote:
Extreme Ways wrote:
iAmCaffeine wrote:
king achilles wrote:KraphtOne is given a one month ban based on the facts presented from this report.

Mate that's a fucking joke. Every single month people abuse bullshit to get the monthly medals: josko, xroads, betiko and others I don't care about enough to remember. So many people do it and what kind of punishment do they get? K1 does it and receives a one month ban. The difference is you know these other guys are manipulating the features but you can't literally prove it, so you won't act on it. Well, f*ck that. Grow a pair and if someone is blatantly abusing the system for a medal (like josko did, like xroads did), just punish them. I don't think anyone really cares about the solid proof when it's so fucking obvious what's happening. The difference here is K1 wasn't enough of a pussy to hide behind some feeble excuse.

The fact you have full grown men abusing a system and lying about it to get a medal in an online risk game makes me wonder what the f*ck is wrong with people.

Josko, xroads, etc didn't intentionally throw games. They abused the time you have for your turn, and didn't throw games like K1 did.

They abused more than the time allowed for a turn but you believe what you like lmao. This thread alone made me lose respect for you.

Good to hear you ever had it. Krapth basically announced he would be losing intentionally and you want me to let it slide? Maybe K1 wasnt enough of a pussy to hide behind some feeble excuse, but he was also not smart enough to hide behind some feeble excuse.

You know full well I did. Krapht made what he was doing obvious yes, so why make a thread to report it? It's not like you just brought it to the moderation's attention, you did a full evaluation as if you're some kind of online risk vigilante. It's funny that xroads and josko are both your ex-clan mates. It's not even up to you whether it's allowed to slide, why do you speak as if you have authority? There's also nothing smart about hiding behind an excuse, it's cowardly and extremely transparent, but administration doesn't have the balls to stand up and do something about it. If somebody is obviously abusing the system, that is breaking the rules. Unfortunately, the rule it breaks is very vague and open to interpretation, an issue which should have been remedied years ago. Many players have done it and walked away freely, I've already named a few, and it will continue to happen until KA or bW actually do something to combat it.

Sure, the monthly leaderboards suck, but you can't blame that for the way people manipulate the system. It's entirely down to those players for being so pathetic. I lose respect for every player like that, if I had any for them in the first place. It's quite sad that the players doing this are more often than not actually some of the best players on CC, yet they stoop to these levels and see no shame in it whatsoever. Props to K1 for not being a fake piece of shit. As for the likes of josko, xroads, betiko and many others, you're all hypocrites, shallow and desperate. If this is how important some medals on CC are to you, then you should re-evaluate how much time you spend on this website. You're in the same class as the likes of GenLee, TheCrown etc. Sad times.

Posted: **Fri Jan 13, 2017 5:40 pm**

iAmCaffeine wrote:
Extreme Ways wrote:
iAmCaffeine wrote:
Extreme Ways wrote:
iAmCaffeine wrote:
king achilles wrote:KraphtOne is given a one month ban based on the facts presented from this report.

Mate that's a fucking joke. Every single month people abuse bullshit to get the monthly medals: josko, xroads, betiko and others I don't care about enough to remember. So many people do it and what kind of punishment do they get? K1 does it and receives a one month ban. The difference is you know these other guys are manipulating the features but you can't literally prove it, so you won't act on it. Well, f*ck that. Grow a pair and if someone is blatantly abusing the system for a medal (like josko did, like xroads did), just punish them. I don't think anyone really cares about the solid proof when it's so fucking obvious what's happening. The difference here is K1 wasn't enough of a pussy to hide behind some feeble excuse.

The fact you have full grown men abusing a system and lying about it to get a medal in an online risk game makes me wonder what the f*ck is wrong with people.

Josko, xroads, etc didn't intentionally throw games. They abused the time you have for your turn, and didn't throw games like K1 did.

They abused more than the time allowed for a turn but you believe what you like lmao. This thread alone made me lose respect for you.

Good to hear you ever had it. Krapth basically announced he would be losing intentionally and you want me to let it slide? Maybe K1 wasnt enough of a pussy to hide behind some feeble excuse, but he was also not smart enough to hide behind some feeble excuse.

You know full well I did. Krapht made what he was doing obvious yes, so why make a thread to report it? It's not like you just brought it to the moderation's attention, you did a full evaluation as if you're some kind of online risk vigilante. It's funny that xroads and josko are both your ex-clan mates. It's not even up to you whether it's allowed to slide, why do you speak as if you have authority? There's also nothing smart about hiding behind an excuse, it's cowardly and extremely transparent, but administration doesn't have the balls to stand up and do something about it. If somebody is obviously abusing the system, that is breaking the rules. Unfortunately, the rule it breaks is very vague and open to interpretation, an issue which should have been remedied years ago. Many players have done it and walked away freely, I've already named a few, and it will continue to happen until KA or bW actually do something to combat it.

Sure, the monthly leaderboards suck, but you can't blame that for the way people manipulate the system. It's entirely down to those players for being so pathetic. I lose respect for every player like that, if I had any for them in the first place. It's quite sad that the players doing this are more often than not actually some of the best players on CC, yet they stoop to these levels and see no shame in it whatsoever. Props to K1 for not being a fake piece of shit. As for the likes of josko, xroads, betiko and many others, you're all hypocrites, shallow and desperate. If this is how important some medals on CC are to you, then you should re-evaluate how much time you spend on this website. You're in the same class as the likes of GenLee, TheCrown etc. Sad times.

First, I have no relationship with EW, nor is he an ex clan mate of mine.

Two. The system plain sucks. It is set up in such a way that fosters abuse every month. My games were vastly different from Kraft. I played to win every single one of my games as much as I could. I just played winners slower and loosers faster. Now I wouldnt of even thought of it if they hadnt came out month after month and said "yes do this, it is completely within the rules"

I really hope it does get changed like has been noted in the suggestions forum

Posted: **Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:24 pm**

xroads wrote:
iAmCaffeine wrote:
Extreme Ways wrote:
iAmCaffeine wrote:You know full well I did. Krapht made what he was doing obvious yes, so why make a thread to report it? It's not like you just brought it to the moderation's attention, you did a full evaluation as if you're some kind of online risk vigilante. It's funny that xroads and josko are both your ex-clan mates. It's not even up to you whether it's allowed to slide, why do you speak as if you have authority? There's also nothing smart about hiding behind an excuse, it's cowardly and extremely transparent, but administration doesn't have the balls to stand up and do something about it. If somebody is obviously abusing the system, that is breaking the rules. Unfortunately, the rule it breaks is very vague and open to interpretation, an issue which should have been remedied years ago. Many players have done it and walked away freely, I've already named a few, and it will continue to happen until KA or bW actually do something to combat it.

Sure, the monthly leaderboards suck, but you can't blame that for the way people manipulate the system. It's entirely down to those players for being so pathetic. I lose respect for every player like that, if I had any for them in the first place. It's quite sad that the players doing this are more often than not actually some of the best players on CC, yet they stoop to these levels and see no shame in it whatsoever. Props to K1 for not being a fake piece of shit. As for the likes of josko, xroads, betiko and many others, you're all hypocrites, shallow and desperate. If this is how important some medals on CC are to you, then you should re-evaluate how much time you spend on this website. You're in the same class as the likes of GenLee, TheCrown etc. Sad times.

First, I have no relationship with EW, nor is he an ex clan mate of mine.

Two. The system plain sucks. It is set up in such a way that fosters abuse every month. My games were vastly different from Kraft. I played to win every single one of my games as much as I could. I just played winners slower and loosers faster. Now I wouldnt of even thought of it if they hadnt came out month after month and said "yes do this, it is completely within the rules"

I really hope it does get changed like has been noted in the suggestions forum

Were you around in KoRT ~4 years ago?

Regarding me, xroads and Josko I think you (Caff, red.) didn't see the argument I had with Josko where he wanted to put me (and few others) in C&A for intentionally missing a turn. I have great respect for Josko, but dont agree with him on a lot of fronts. Xroads abused the system, I agree, but he abused it in a way that's currently allowed. Krapth both abused the system and besides that blatantly db speedgames while playing others - games that he joined.

But let me hear you out, your proposal is instead of punishing maybe 1/10th of the players abusing the system, you'd rather punish 0/10? And then you call me pathetic for filing the report? I'm all for changing the monthly system, see Doc's suggestion on that. I wrote KA a message regarding stuff like this, to make players that do this ineligible for monthlies. Maybe you should too, that way you can stop stuff like this.

Also if you lose respect for someone after just 1 post you disagree on, I dont think you ever had much respect at all. It's why I was surprised, I know we were on friendlier terms earlier eventhough I am usually not fond of your forum posts. Apparently you're also not find of mine.

Posted: **Fri Jan 13, 2017 8:35 pm**

I'm starting to sound like a broken record.

This is NOT the part of the forum to discuss cases, rulings, etc. This is a place for evidence and defense. Take it to CCD.

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