Conquer Club

Accused:

xroads



The accused are suspected of:
Other: point dumping. He lost every non team tournament game in his last 100+ played. His recent high score is well over 3k but he is currently barley over 1k. He is dragging out games he won to collect the points at the start of the month including missing turns.



Game number(s):

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Comments:

I was curious about his newly acquired low rank, as well.

so did i just played him 2 days ago. in the game I played him he looked like he was trying to win but had a bad dice streak. I am also in a seriously bad streak of dice just now. losing things like 30 v 8 etc. or using 20 troups to take 4.

eddie2 wrote:so did i just played him 2 days ago. in the game I played him he looked like he was trying to win but had a bad dice streak. I am also in a seriously bad streak of dice just now. losing things like 30 v 8 etc. or using 20 troups to take 4.

Playing a game and losing is one thing but he lost almost every game in the last 100 he played not counting the team tournament games which he can't control. I can see losing one game because of bad dice but dropping over 2k points with 0 wins? He real times the games he lost but waits until the last minute in my game or misses turns when he clearly won the game after 2 rounds.

pretty damning testimony, JR24 - but I'm gonna reserve judgement until symmetry chimes in...

JOHNNYROCKET24 wrote:

eddie2 wrote:so did i just played him 2 days ago. in the game I played him he looked like he was trying to win but had a bad dice streak. I am also in a seriously bad streak of dice just now. losing things like 30 v 8 etc. or using 20 troups to take 4.

Playing a game and losing is one thing but he lost almost every game in the last 100 he played not counting the team tournament games which he can't control. I can see losing one game because of bad dice but dropping over 2k points with 0 wins? He real times the games he lost but waits until the last minute in my game or misses turns when he clearly won the game after 2 rounds.

Jr24 I know you are better than this one min you are saying he is point dumping, next you are saying he is not finishing the games he has won until the last min. So he is winning the games just choosing not to finish them straight away. I hate to say it but there have been similar players do this with a ruling of we can't tell them when to play and when not to. It don't count as dead beating because he finishes the games. Also it don't count as holding hostage because cc cannot tell him to play as he has 24 hours to play his shot.is it a nasty play style yes it is. But like the cases before yours they are playing within the rules unless cc finally decided to use manipulation of the leaderboards or making the game less enjoyable rule. Because he was high ranked when he started the game and this play style is gonna make players lose triple the points.

He had 1857 points to start the month and down to 1151 at the moment with 146 active games...it is quite possible he has lost those 30 games that would change the stat to that faster then he can win the others.In the one game you are still active in with him,he hasn't missed a turn and actually averages taking two terts to one on you everyday.

When I saw Xroads name I was thinking "ok, this is going to be some bullshit, let's go have a look"
I just looked at his last hundred games. of the ones that are finished I see a record of 2-19

Sad to see. I'll say no more.

Preparing for another bit of manipulating the monthly score boards?

Lx

Every month a new C&A complaint for it

Might as well make it a hat trick of CD's.

Every month there are complaints, yet we still have a monthly scoreboard with medals, just waiting for the next manipulator.

lol the problem is what punishment should be issued. I can think of one but don't think cd's or tourney organisers would agree.

these players are playing in tourneys and clan wars. is it fair for players who got into a game expecting to lose 20 points via a team to then lose 30 or 40 points against them. one form of punishment could be no medal awarded and a 3 month ban from active competitions. any tourneys they are in they do not get to finish and barred from entering any more, then with clan wars they get ejected from active wars or playing in any for 3 months. this could be a good way of stopping it.

How does the monthly scoreboard have anything to do w clans?

I was going to ignore this due to its frivolous nature, especially coming from the accuser who is a sore looser and one of the biggest cheats on CC.

I usually play 20-50 games at a time. Now there is a lull in clan wars for the holidays, so I decided to ramp it up. Then I noticed I am approaching 20,000 games, and decided to ramp it up some more. Then the 9 days of CC came out and ramped it up more yet, so now I am up to 200 games. I am also in the top 20 in the 9 days of CC contest and in the medal hunt for it.

Guess what, when you start that many public games, you are going to play much much slower, and sometimes miss a turn or two. Also when you start public games like that, lots of cooks will join them and get lucky sometimes.

Am I the first person to ever loose 600 points in a month? Where was this accusation four months ago when I fell from 3300 to 2000 when I wanted to start learning some new maps & get outside my comfort zone?

Did you also notice that I won a game that netted me over 300 points, and another that was over 50? My score has been a yo yo this month, but overall it is much lower yes.

Am I playing my loosing games faster? Yes I am. But it has also been stated time and time again that players can play any games they want at any speed they want as long as they are colluding with anyone else. I am hoping to make a run at my high score in the next couple months.

If you are really worried about manipulation of the monthly leader boards, make it so only games that are started and finished within that month are counted. Easy, simple.

Other things I noticed.

It is surprising when you are a corporal or private how many majors & colonels join your games thinking they are going to score some easy points.

It is also surprising the difference in the level of respect you get from other players when you are ranked lower.

good enough for me. I think xroads suggestion regarding the monthly leaderboard merits some discussion, too.

xroads wrote:It is also surprising the difference in the level of respect you get from other players when you are ranked lower.

Guilty, both on the receiving and giving end. Not intentionally, but I do notice the difference.

Thanks xroads I like our odd games and am glad you posted what you did. Clears the whole thing up.

And Ice pack it has nothing to do with the monthly leader board. But it does affect the points given in team games. Same question how does what you post in the forums make it you get banned from MPs and wall posts as well, it doesn't but is the to make people not do it, my idea was just a thought to add something extra to try stop it. Since most high tankers also like clan games or tourneys if they risked losing that could work lol.

The real question is how do you prove that someone is losing on purpose... I mean, it's a tough game...

KraphtOne wrote:The real question is how do you prove that someone is losing on purpose... I mean, it's a tough game...

For fucks sake.

KrapgtOne's last 50 games 1-49

Yeah, sure... an experienced player like yourself just loses 49 games in a row and drops to cadet...

That "most-improved" medal is obviously just a pathetic joke and should be scrapped if this is the way people get it.

I am back from a big break and checked out the standings. https://www.conquerclub.com/public.php? ... ch=&page=7

xroads has had the 20th worst month with a 29.7% decrease.
KraphtOne has had the worst month with a 58.3% decrease.

That is a bad month.

KraphtOne wrote:The real question is how do you prove that someone is losing on purpose... I mean, it's a tough game...

https://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=17080345

Green is losing on purpose because he doesn't attack. Notice in the game log how green only attacks a couple times. 4 rounds green deploys and ends in 10 seconds. That is not enough time to have bad dice.

bobdakota wrote:

KraphtOne wrote:The real question is how do you prove that someone is losing on purpose... I mean, it's a tough game...

https://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=17080345

Green is losing on purpose because he doesn't attack. Notice in the game log how green only attacks a couple times. 4 rounds green deploys and ends in 10 seconds. That is not enough time to have bad dice.

Lost every roll for 5 straight rounds... My dice are legendary. Dude even missed 2 turns and won easily

Edit: and i mean, it's a tough game...

KraphtOne wrote:

bobdakota wrote:

KraphtOne wrote:The real question is how do you prove that someone is losing on purpose... I mean, it's a tough game...

https://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=17080345

Green is losing on purpose because he doesn't attack. Notice in the game log how green only attacks a couple times. 4 rounds green deploys and ends in 10 seconds. That is not enough time to have bad dice.

Lost every roll for 5 straight rounds... My dice are legendary. Dude even missed 2 turns and won easily

Edit: and i mean, it's a tough game...

Check the log. It took you 10 seconds for you turn. You didn't have time to roll. Plus dumping troops on Santa Fe when you already took Flagstaff is a poor move if you want to win.

2016-12-22 21:51:56 - Incrementing game to round 4
2016-12-22 21:52:05 - KraphtOne received 4 troops for 8 regions
2016-12-22 21:52:05 - KraphtOne received 4 deferred troops for missing 1 rounds
2016-12-22 21:52:07 - KraphtOne deployed 4 troops on Santa Fe
2016-12-22 21:52:13 - KraphtOne deployed 4 troops on Santa Fe
2016-12-22 21:52:15 - KraphtOne ended the turn

You don't know it but you're feeding me a compliment... Fastest player there is, was, or ever will be... *crowd goes wild*

Actually probably took me about 2 seconds to drop and attack and then i sat in disbelief for the other 8 seconds...

Hopefully my luck changes in time for the battle royals, right?

This is noted. Overloading your games of what is more than you can take will take it's toll. It's your own responsibility to take what you can and don't blame your losses because you managed to have too much on your plate which was your own doing to begin with.

Please finish your game with JR.

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KraphtOne, I'd be careful in playing my games if I were you rather than continue to play quick moves and give us reasons to doubt if you are indeed deliberately trying to lower your score or not.