Conquer Club

Accused:
MikeFridman

The accused are suspected of:
Conducting Secret Diplomacy

Game number(s):
Game 16995061

Comments:
MikeFridman posted the following on AetherFlash's wall (page 2):

hey grey, looks like we are both going after the same territories in the North East. You just moved ten into Boston. I've got even more troops there than you can see.
http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=16995061

I suggest an alliance where we divide and conquer the North East. continue messaging on public chat for fairness

The wall post has more info than the game chat so I believe this constitutes secret diplomacy.

I believe you are correct.

clearly secret diplomacy. good catch.-bj

why can't more cases be cut and clean like this

Frox333 wrote:why can't more cases be cut and clean like this

A mod hasn't weighed in yet!!! No decision has been made!!! Sometimes, the ones that seem the easiest, uncover piles of crap and layers of cheating!!!-Jn

Big deal, they'll get a warning when we know damn well they know it's against the rules.

Another reason CC is declining. People are tired of the leniancy.

In the real military, you lose rank when you break the rules. Why not do the same here? Drop them down to the lowest point value of the next lower rank then what they are.

This warning bullshit isn't working obviously.

Beast Of Burson wrote:Big deal, they'll get a warning when we know damn well they know it's against the rules.

Another reason CC is declining. People are tired of the leniancy.

In the real military, you lose rank when you break the rules. Why not do the same here? Drop them down to the lowest point value of the next lower rank then what they are.

This warning bullshit isn't working obviously.

Forum violations are stiffer than gaming violations... For years it has been a hot topic amongst members, but not mods/admins/ownership...-Bj

owenshooter wrote:

Beast Of Burson wrote:Big deal, they'll get a warning when we know damn well they know it's against the rules.

Another reason CC is declining. People are tired of the leniancy.

In the real military, you lose rank when you break the rules. Why not do the same here? Drop them down to the lowest point value of the next lower rank then what they are.

This warning bullshit isn't working obviously.

Forum violations are stiffer than gaming violations... For years it has been a hot topic amongst members, but not mods/admins/ownership...-Bj

You know I am still working on this and although some inroads have been made it still isn't where it should be yet

As for this, after comparing game chat with wall chat and the corresponding timestamps it appears it was written in game first.
I now just need to clarify with the others on the precedent here (I am sure we have had this before, I just need to locate it or be pointed in the right direction), a verdict should not be too far away

Why was MikeFridman @'ed on this in the game chat but not me? I am the other party here, and I am SUPER upset about this. I was bored and looking over my game chats and decided on a whim to see what was posted for him. Low and behold you guys are over here gleefully waiting on the mods to rule on a secret diplomacy violation involving me?!? Maybe you could have clued in the other involved party? No PM, no wall post, didn't even @ me to this thread! Secret diplomacy? How about secret trials!

If you even give a shit about anything other than a damn witch trial, here's what went down from my perspective :

He posted to my wall a troop count that was already known to both him and myself. He said that he has more troops I can't see (which is meaningless, its a fog game, no shit he has more troops than I can see) And then he asks for an alliance, and to continue in game chat. I think that what he did was super stupid and potentially an attempt at secret diplomacy, but when I go to the game, he has already openly posted his concerns about us wasting resources, and an appeal for an alliance. I reply in game, we never communicate again outside of the game chat.

Had he not proposed the alliance in game, I would have been concerned, but with the posts in game, I figured it was harmless.

So there you go. at least I got to have a say before a "verdict" is issued.

AetherFlash, I have not even considered you may be guilty of anything at all here.. Just an innocent party caught in the crossfire.
But thanks for the additional evidence, it clears up a few misconceptions I had

MikeFridman is warned for attempting to conduct secret diplomacy

TeeGee wrote:AetherFlash, I have not even considered you may be guilty of anything at all here.. Just an innocent party caught in the crossfire.
But thanks for the additional evidence, it clears up a few misconceptions I had

MikeFridman is warned for attempting to conduct secret diplomacy

and again, i still think members should be notified when placed into C&A...-Bj

owenshooter wrote:

TeeGee wrote:AetherFlash, I have not even considered you may be guilty of anything at all here.. Just an innocent party caught in the crossfire.
But thanks for the additional evidence, it clears up a few misconceptions I had

MikeFridman is warned for attempting to conduct secret diplomacy

and again, i still think members should be notified when placed into C&A...-Bj

Agreed.

suggestions?

inb4 move

Thanks for the quick replies TeeGee. Good to know this isn't a shared culpability thing. I was not sure who has authority here, and I got caught up after reading how "they" will get warnings and "they" should have stricter penalties in one of the posts here. That set me on edge a bit.

On this general topic, what should I do when a player posts something like MikeFridman did on my wall? All I did was try to ignore it and continue in game, but is there anything else i should have done to remove suspicion on myself?

Okay, for all those here, let's review. I told Aether that I moved in ten troops in Boston in like round 2 or 3 of the game. I told HIM about his own number of TROOPS. I then said let's talk in the chat for FAIRNESS. we then proceeded to talk about the north east in the game chat.


Now, I was not even informed that I was under investigation or whatever. I appreciate your work to crack down on secret diplomacy, but let's not get carried away.

MikeFridman wrote:Okay, for all those here, let's review. i was WARNED for secret diplomacy

thanks for the catch up, professor!!-Bj

Like I said... Big Deal, a warning. Next time they will throw them a party and invite them to the Governor's Ball.

Beast Of Burson wrote:Big deal, they'll get a warning when we know damn well they know it's against the rules.

Another reason CC is declining. People are tired of the leniancy.

In the real military, you lose rank when you break the rules. Why not do the same here? Drop them down to the lowest point value of the next lower rank then what they are.

This warning bullshit isn't working obviously.

lol the young cc minds. beast the warning system is ok when you look at it. how many people like myself join the site to play, tick the box saying you have read and understood the rules when you haven't.

reason why cc is declining is because of bullshit posts like yours. people who don't really play lots of games causing shit to people who do. people like you saying people are tired of leniency when in fact they don't really care. like this case a truce was offered outside of game chat did the other party follow it ? no they did not. was it something the player could not see needed to be done? no it wasn't. was it repeated in game chat at the same time for all to see ? yes it was.now look at yourself 18 months on site = 78 weeks = 14 games a week = 2 games a day most players play 4 or 5 speed games a day, and usually about 20 to 30 active regular games and you are screaming and shouting how unfair the site is making new players not want to play. out of that massive amount of games you have played how many times have you been cheated in ?
me I have played over 15,000 games and can honestly say I have only felt cheated in a handful of them with the players who done it receiving a noted or warning, them same players I still play against and that warning stopped it. so yes the warning system does work for the small amount of issues that happen.

eddie2 wrote:

Beast Of Burson wrote:Big deal, they'll get a warning when we know damn well they know it's against the rules.

Another reason CC is declining. People are tired of the leniancy.

In the real military, you lose rank when you break the rules. Why not do the same here? Drop them down to the lowest point value of the next lower rank then what they are.

This warning bullshit isn't working obviously.

lol the young cc minds. beast the warning system is ok when you look at it. how many people like myself join the site to play, tick the box saying you have read and understood the rules when you haven't.

reason why cc is declining is because of bullshit posts like yours. people who don't really play lots of games causing shit to people who do. people like you saying people are tired of leniency when in fact they don't really care. like this case a truce was offered outside of game chat did the other party follow it ? no they did not. was it something the player could not see needed to be done? no it wasn't. was it repeated in game chat at the same time for all to see ? yes it was.now look at yourself 18 months on site = 78 weeks = 14 games a week = 2 games a day most players play 4 or 5 speed games a day, and usually about 20 to 30 active regular games and you are screaming and shouting how unfair the site is making new players not want to play. out of that massive amount of games you have played how many times have you been cheated in ?
me I have played over 15,000 games and can honestly say I have only felt cheated in a handful of them with the players who done it receiving a noted or warning, them same players I still play against and that warning stopped it. so yes the warning system does work for the small amount of issues that happen.

15000 games in 7 years? Do your own math. You play about 5-6 games a day avg. Not much better mouth.

In your case... soft lips and thick knee pads, kneeling before the owner is where you got your rank from. So go back to your oral position and shut the f*ck up idiot.

Lol beast I have had 2 years out in that math in total. Tie that in with clan leadership that took up my time and running tourneys(early days) then redo you maths. Fact of the matter is out of your games how many times have you been cheated by cc rules. Your post makes it sound like a daily issue happening all the time. Like I said your post is the reason why people stay clear they read that kind of thing and don't bother paying to play a site they think allows cheating on the big scale.

Also add in that I started a new job last year and work 14 hour shifts 6-7 days a week and you will see my game average has gone down last 13 months as don't have time to play my speed games daily.

MikeFridman wrote:Okay, for all those here, let's review. I told Aether that I moved in ten troops in Boston in like round 2 or 3 of the game. I told HIM about his own number of TROOPS. I then said let's talk in the chat for FAIRNESS. we then proceeded to talk about the north east in the game chat.


Now, I was not even informed that I was under investigation or whatever. I appreciate your work to crack down on secret diplomacy, but let's not get carried away.

Oh boy, there's a very good joke here about not using chat for diplomacy because you very much ignored this.
2016-12-16 23:54:30 - Extreme Ways: @MikeFridman viewtopic.php?f=5&t=221040&view=unread#unread