Conquer Club

CurlyFrys wrote:
Accused:
pinkrose2012
MagnusGreeol
ruleroftheworld1


The accused are suspected of:

Conducting Secret Diplomacy
and possibly being multis


Game number(s):

Game 16998668

A search of all 3 pulls up that they have played a considerable amount of games together in duos and all 3 together. in the game listed above they do not attack eachother even though they are bordering, and they coordinate to hit other players as shown in games with pinkrose 2012 and magnusgreeol in the following games listed below. where they only eliminate eachother last or. (im not posting every game, simply because it takes up lots of space. so im listing a few, but I checked many games and their pattern of play is consistent. only attacking each other to damage or eliminate at the end once all others are gone or there is only 2-3 players left. this pattern is slightly broken when there clan has games in which its all clan members) By searching games between them you can see that they are always on the same team unless the game is a game between their clan mates in which case they are occasionally on different teams. I understand they are clan mates and friends but its not ok for them to collude and secret diplomacy in standard games especially 5 man ones where it becomes 3v2 and the 2 players dont even know it til its too late


here are a few magnus and pink games (these show the pattern listed above )

Game 12156968
Game 12424152

I mean you can see the patterns yourself jsut search for games with any of the 3 in the same game together look at chat and game logs.

This games shows that they are all in a clan together (read chat logs) also lists clan mate names so you can tell games they are not on same team they are facing other clan mates

Game 15096735

Comments:

MagnusGreeol wrote:Pinky's and my boarders are a mutual understanding but are still defended, It's escalating so in the long run anything can happen

2016-12-04 15:27:47 - pinkrose2012 received 6 troops for holding Taurus
2016-12-04 15:27:47 - pinkrose2012 received 6 troops for 19 regions
2016-12-04 15:27:51 - pinkrose2012 played a set of I Nefas, O Nero, and S Nabis worth 10 troops
2016-12-04 15:27:51 - pinkrose2012 got bonus of 2 troops added to I Nefas
2016-12-04 15:28:09 - pinkrose2012 deployed 7 troops on T IX
2016-12-04 15:28:13 - pinkrose2012 deployed 4 troops on O Cato
2016-12-04 15:28:16 - pinkrose2012 deployed 11 troops on L Velia
2016-12-04 15:28:23 - pinkrose2012 assaulted L Sora from L Velia and conquered it from CurlyFrys
2016-12-04 15:28:25 - pinkrose2012 assaulted L Sena from L Sora and conquered it from CurlyFrys
2016-12-04 15:28:30 - pinkrose2012 assaulted Sosius from L Sena and conquered it from CurlyFrys
2016-12-04 15:28:37 - pinkrose2012 bombarded Lurius from Sosius and annihilated CurlyFrys's troops
2016-12-04 15:28:41 - pinkrose2012 assaulted L Roma from Sosius and conquered it from CurlyFrys
2016-12-04 15:28:52 - pinkrose2012 assaulted O Afer from O Cato and conquered it from jacktoo
2016-12-04 15:29:10 - pinkrose2012 ended the turn and got spoils

PaulatPeace wrote:I will say with complete confidence that as members of a clan who hold Honor & Integrity as extremely important, in no way were there conscious attempts to cheat, or any secret diplomacy occurring here!

I can however see how having 3 members of the same clan in a standard game could lead one to suspect that. I also agree that being in the same clan, or being friends with players in the same standard game can lead to a subconscious bias.

As Magnus said, we at TOP will encourage our members to avoid such standard games where even the appearance of such activity might be suspect.

Paul

owenshooter wrote:

PaulatPeace wrote:I will say with complete confidence that as members of a clan who hold Honor & Integrity as extremely important, in no way were there conscious attempts to cheat, or any secret diplomacy occurring here!

I can however see how having 3 members of the same clan in a standard game could lead one to suspect that. I also agree that being in the same clan, or being friends with players in the same standard game can lead to a subconscious bias.

As Magnus said, we at TOP will encourage our members to avoid such standard games where even the appearance of such activity might be suspect.

Paul

thanks for the mission statement... next time, put it on some letter head... as stated before, clan mates that are playing non-team games should always announce in chat that they are clan mates, period. it is a simple solution. i am not quite sure what this mission statement is supposed to do, because there is some questionable game play going on with a few of the borders. however, if YOU assure us, then it obviously does not need to be looked into. close this one down, Double P has assured us that no members of his clan have ever or will ever cheat!!! THOTA tried that one before, how did that end?! anyway, just busting your cajones, relax... All of this can be avoided with a simple announcement in chat (i am avoiding that border issue that others brought up and leaving that to a mod)...

the black jesus has spoken... and i don't need no stinkin' letter head!!!-Bj

MagnusGreeol wrote:- * I would like to go on the record, And say that if I was viewing this as another accused of such, that I would absolutely say that even if in no way were the accused consciously trying to better their chances as a clan involved in this 5/standard, It is still unfair because of their groups subconscious which can not be controlled or maybe even aware of,

- Hence I would like to formally give myself a warning, in which I /We as a clan (TOP) should stay away from 5 man standards in which 3/5 are members.

- Please trust that I alone am looking to win that, Sorry you feel wronged Curly, I'll pay more attention so this doesn't happen again, GL2U Always! ")

-Sincerely

-\M∆GS/-♎Canoli noir ~

-ps- [edit] - I will be announcing this in TOP forum

CurlyFrys wrote:I did not suspect multis that must have been an error from the post I copied to try and help post this complaint originally. (thanks for cleaning up the errors for me)
Its fine that you made it clear you all know each other but 3 clan mates in a 5 man standard even if I knew the other player this presents problems both discussed and not. I found the play very suspicious as your clan has only attacked and broken bonuses belonging to players not of your clan. even when they had to beat larger forces to do so. I understand not going after the 2 man bonus but your clan mates had larger bonuses than either me or blue and yet we were targeted instead. I understand the argument of you possibly losing points. but your more inclined to favor your friends, even if you intend to beat them. I noticed some players who really do care about points will play games like this with clan mates and friends and eliminate other players giving them higher chances of getting the points, or at laest the points stay within the clan. In addition you know how they play which is a large advantage for you vs facing 2 randoms. and you all are nicer to friends hence the difference between friend and stranger. (im not saying this is exactly what your doing, but I've seen it done before) The game play has correlated to what i had seen people do before.

CurlyFrys wrote:Is OwenShooter the admin assigned to this or how does this work? If he is I would like to request that someone other than owenshooter handle this. I want an admin who doesnt know either of us, and is unbiased. no offense to the black Jesus (hallowed be his name and reputation) but wall posts, forum interactions and posts of messages going back and forth between him and magnus. Clearly show that you are both good friends. In the interest of a fair dispute I want an unbiased judge. I doubt he can take this seriously if he giggled at seeing your name.

again no intended offense to either of you

Edit - corrected typo of owen's name

CurlyFrys wrote:Is OwenShooter the admin assigned to this or how does this work? If he is I would like to request that someone other than owenshooter handle this. I want an admin who doesnt know either of us, and is unbiased. no offense to the black Jesus (hallowed be his name and reputation) but wall posts, forum interactions and posts of messages going back and forth between him and magnus. Clearly show that you are both good friends. In the interest of a fair dispute I want an unbiased judge. I doubt he can take this seriously if he giggled at seeing your name.

again no intended offense to either of you

Edit - corrected typo of owen's name

riskllama wrote:OR TOSS HIS SALAD...

riskllama wrote:you TOP lads(&lass) should toss him the game as a gesture of good faith.

Donelladan wrote:MagnusGreeol, I am not accusing you specifically, I am pointing out Pinky's play, and you can't say that breaking OP's bonus and not rulerofthewodl1 bonus seems right.
You are waiting the big cashes, but Pinky does not seem to be, seeing her turn.

Ofc you may still lose thanks to a sweep, but if Pinky keep using her bonus to destroy OP's bonus, ruler and you are going to have a significant troop's advantage.

Again, I am not saying that you planned to work together to win, but it seems that because you knew each other beforehand, some moves were made differently, even if it wasn't made purposively.

EDIT :

I forgot to notice that previous turn, rulerfotheworld also broke blue's bonus ( 5th player of the game), taking DII. Again, why does ruler bother to break blue's bonus, but doesn't care about pink's bonus which is on the other side ?

EDIT :

see pinkrose last turn :

2016-12-04 15:27:47 - pinkrose2012 received 6 troops for holding Taurus
2016-12-04 15:27:47 - pinkrose2012 received 6 troops for 19 regions
2016-12-04 15:27:51 - pinkrose2012 played a set of I Nefas, O Nero, and S Nabis worth 10 troops
2016-12-04 15:27:51 - pinkrose2012 got bonus of 2 troops added to I Nefas
2016-12-04 15:28:09 - pinkrose2012 deployed 7 troops on T IX
2016-12-04 15:28:13 - pinkrose2012 deployed 4 troops on O Cato
2016-12-04 15:28:16 - pinkrose2012 deployed 11 troops on L Velia
2016-12-04 15:28:23 - pinkrose2012 assaulted L Sora from L Velia and conquered it from CurlyFrys
2016-12-04 15:28:25 - pinkrose2012 assaulted L Sena from L Sora and conquered it from CurlyFrys
2016-12-04 15:28:30 - pinkrose2012 assaulted Sosius from L Sena and conquered it from CurlyFrys
2016-12-04 15:28:37 - pinkrose2012 bombarded Lurius from Sosius and annihilated CurlyFrys's troops
2016-12-04 15:28:41 - pinkrose2012 assaulted L Roma from Sosius and conquered it from CurlyFrys
2016-12-04 15:28:52 - pinkrose2012 assaulted O Afer from O Cato and conquered it from jacktoo
2016-12-04 15:29:10 - pinkrose2012 ended the turn and got spoils

Does not really match with your explanation of you don't kill each other because you are waiting for big cash.

Probably no SD; but still, those moves are highly questionable.

Chewie1 wrote:Back then only the players involved in said game or had played games against the accused were the only ones who generally replied to the OP.... now it seems its open season here.