Conquer Club

Posted: **Fri Oct 16, 2015 10:14 am**

Accused:

iAmCaffeine

The accused are suspected of:

Other: Intentionally throwing games by suiciding

Game number(s):

Game 15942903

Comments:

iAmCaffeine, having the last turn in a game with a 30 round limit, suicided into me, killing approximately 1,300 of my troops and handing the game to someone else. He had zero chance of winning the game so instead attacked me, for no reason. There was benefit to him in that game directly or in the overall tournament, yet he still decided to do it. As you can see from the log, he attacked one blue region that had 3 men on it, and then proceeded to take over 1,300 of my troops.

I can only presume these actions are in retaliation from an argument that we had in a clan war thread recently.

Attached are pictures of the game before his turn and after his turn, and then a comment made on my wall when I called him out on it.

Before his final turn:

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After his final turn:

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Posted: **Fri Oct 16, 2015 10:21 am**

Incorrect unfortunately. It does help my chances in the overall tournament.

Before this game ended nolefan5311 and the other player both had one win in eight games. I remain on zero. Working on the basis that nolefan is better than the other player, I decided my chances of moving up the scoreboard were better if the lesser player had two wins. Since we're not yet at elimination stages I have time to improve my current position, helped more by the fact that someone less likely to win games has more points than somebody who I do expect to win games.

I hope this makes sense.

Posted: **Fri Oct 16, 2015 10:33 am**

there is a C&A precedent, by the way... as best i can remember, not one c&a report for a single game throwing at the round limit has been punished before... you can complain to the tournament organizer, but nothing will be done. not sure about foe and move on, could affect the tournament... the best i can tell you is, "suck it up, cupcake!" Thank you for your complaint, the Black Jesus has ruled it null and void...-Jésus noir

suck it up, cupcake!!!

Posted: **Fri Oct 16, 2015 10:37 am**

. not sure about foe and move on, could affect the tournament...

It wouldn't affect the tournament, the foe list doesn't work on tournaments.

Otherwise totally agree with you, best you can hope nole is that it is noted, but nothing else.

Posted: **Fri Oct 16, 2015 10:40 am**

The tournament details can be found here for those interested: https://www.conquerclub.com/player.php? ... d=15942903

Posted: **Fri Oct 16, 2015 12:04 pm**

All I was hoping for was a warning or it to be noted.

Posted: **Fri Oct 16, 2015 12:07 pm**

nolefan5311 wrote:All I was hoping for was a warning or it to be noted.

not going to happen. it has never happened before and it won't happen for a single game. was that written into the tournament rules? didn't see it. foe and move on. that is all you can do... not going to be noted. not going to be warned. did nothing wrong. good luck with this.-Jésus noir

Posted: **Fri Oct 16, 2015 12:27 pm**

owenshooter wrote:
nolefan5311 wrote:All I was hoping for was a warning or it to be noted.

not going to happen. it has never happened before and it won't happen for a single game. was that written into the tournament rules? didn't see it. foe and move on. that is all you can do... not going to be noted. not going to be warned. did nothing wrong. good luck with this.-Jésus noir

Are you a mod? That's a legitimate question because you seem to have a lot of conviction in what you're saying.

And whether or not anything is officially done, pulling a stunt like that because of hurt feelings IS wrong.

Posted: **Fri Oct 16, 2015 1:03 pm**

nolefan5311 wrote:
owenshooter wrote:
nolefan5311 wrote:All I was hoping for was a warning or it to be noted.

not going to happen. it has never happened before and it won't happen for a single game. was that written into the tournament rules? didn't see it. foe and move on. that is all you can do... not going to be noted. not going to be warned. did nothing wrong. good luck with this.-Jésus noir

Are you a mod? That's a legitimate question because you seem to have a lot of conviction in what you're saying.

And whether or not anything is officially done, pulling a stunt like that because of hurt feelings IS wrong.

yeah, i'm confident. you obviously don't read posts. there has been a precedent set and that precedent is routinely enforced. what you are asking for has never happened before and it won't happen for a single game. so, yes, i say it with conviction. go search this forum and look at the multiple closed cases with the same accusation, they are not noted, they are not warned, they are not busted. OP's are told to foe and move on, accordingly... sorry, but you aren't going to get anything out of this other than what i have told you. i don't have to be a mod to know what is going to happen in this case, THERE IS A PRECEDENT. good luck in the future... the black jesus has spoken...-Jésus noir

p.s.-ask the mods, the black jesus is never wrong...

Posted: **Fri Oct 16, 2015 1:17 pm**

owenshooter wrote:
nolefan5311 wrote:
owenshooter wrote:
nolefan5311 wrote:All I was hoping for was a warning or it to be noted.

not going to happen. it has never happened before and it won't happen for a single game. was that written into the tournament rules? didn't see it. foe and move on. that is all you can do... not going to be noted. not going to be warned. did nothing wrong. good luck with this.-Jésus noir

Are you a mod? That's a legitimate question because you seem to have a lot of conviction in what you're saying.

And whether or not anything is officially done, pulling a stunt like that because of hurt feelings IS wrong.

yeah, i'm confident. you obviously don't read posts. there has been a precedent set and that precedent is routinely enforced. what you are asking for has never happened before and it won't happen for a single game. so, yes, i say it with conviction. go search this forum and look at the multiple closed cases with the same accusation, they are not noted, they are not warned, they are not busted. OP's are told to foe and move on, accordingly... sorry, but you aren't going to get anything out of this other than what i have told you. i don't have to be a mod to know what is going to happen in this case, THERE IS A PRECEDENT. good luck in the future... the black jesus has spoken...-Jésus noir

p.s.-ask the mods, the black jesus is never wrong...

Well, maybe this thread will set a new precedent. If not, oh well.

Posted: **Fri Oct 16, 2015 1:21 pm**

nolefan5311 wrote:
owenshooter wrote:
nolefan5311 wrote:
owenshooter wrote:
nolefan5311 wrote:All I was hoping for was a warning or it to be noted.

not going to happen. it has never happened before and it won't happen for a single game. was that written into the tournament rules? didn't see it. foe and move on. that is all you can do... not going to be noted. not going to be warned. did nothing wrong. good luck with this.-Jésus noir

Are you a mod? That's a legitimate question because you seem to have a lot of conviction in what you're saying.

And whether or not anything is officially done, pulling a stunt like that because of hurt feelings IS wrong.

yeah, i'm confident. you obviously don't read posts. there has been a precedent set and that precedent is routinely enforced. what you are asking for has never happened before and it won't happen for a single game. so, yes, i say it with conviction. go search this forum and look at the multiple closed cases with the same accusation, they are not noted, they are not warned, they are not busted. OP's are told to foe and move on, accordingly... sorry, but you aren't going to get anything out of this other than what i have told you. i don't have to be a mod to know what is going to happen in this case, THERE IS A PRECEDENT. good luck in the future... the black jesus has spoken...-Jésus noir

p.s.-ask the mods, the black jesus is never wrong...

Well, maybe this thread will set a new precedent. If not, oh well.

wait, let me translate.

yes, you are going to be the one, despite your lack of any convincing evidence that surpasses all the other complaints, that gets the precedent changed...
*eyes rolling out of my black jesus skull*... good luck... shoot me a PM when they ban IamCaffeine, for life...-Jésus noir

p.s.-throw in the fact that former moderators NEVER get busted or warned, and one has to question why you brought this against him...

Posted: **Fri Oct 16, 2015 1:26 pm**

owenshooter wrote:
nolefan5311 wrote:
owenshooter wrote:
nolefan5311 wrote:
owenshooter wrote:
nolefan5311 wrote:All I was hoping for was a warning or it to be noted.

not going to happen. it has never happened before and it won't happen for a single game. was that written into the tournament rules? didn't see it. foe and move on. that is all you can do... not going to be noted. not going to be warned. did nothing wrong. good luck with this.-Jésus noir

Are you a mod? That's a legitimate question because you seem to have a lot of conviction in what you're saying.

And whether or not anything is officially done, pulling a stunt like that because of hurt feelings IS wrong.

yeah, i'm confident. you obviously don't read posts. there has been a precedent set and that precedent is routinely enforced. what you are asking for has never happened before and it won't happen for a single game. so, yes, i say it with conviction. go search this forum and look at the multiple closed cases with the same accusation, they are not noted, they are not warned, they are not busted. OP's are told to foe and move on, accordingly... sorry, but you aren't going to get anything out of this other than what i have told you. i don't have to be a mod to know what is going to happen in this case, THERE IS A PRECEDENT. good luck in the future... the black jesus has spoken...-Jésus noir

p.s.-ask the mods, the black jesus is never wrong...

Well, maybe this thread will set a new precedent. If not, oh well.

wait, let me translate.

yes, you are going to be the one, despite your lack of any convincing evidence that surpasses all the other complaints, that gets the precedent changed...
*eyes rolling out of my black jesus skull*... good luck... shoot me a PM when they ban IamCaffeine, for life...-Jésus noir

p.s.-throw in the fact that former moderators NEVER get busted or warned, and one has to question why you brought this against him...

This thread has devolved into you trying to convince me that I have wasted my time. That in and of itself seems like a waste of time. The mods will look at it or they won't and they'll warn him or they won't. Honestly, it's not that important to me either way. I just wanted it on the record. Maybe you think that's a waste of time. I don't really care.

And I didn't know he was previously a mod. But that wouldn't have dissuaded me from making this complaint.

Posted: **Fri Oct 16, 2015 1:36 pm**

My actions were not a result of "hurt feelings" nor in relation to any forum encounters. I have explained why I made the move.

I was never a moderator. I used to write for the Dispatch and at one point a current mod tried to promote me to moderation without my knowledge, but the process was blocked.

Posted: **Fri Oct 16, 2015 3:34 pm**

iAmCaffeine wrote:Incorrect unfortunately. It does help my chances in the overall tournament.

Before this game ended nolefan5311 and the other player both had one win in eight games. I remain on zero. Working on the basis that nolefan is better than the other player, I decided my chances of moving up the scoreboard were better if the lesser player had two wins. Since we're not yet at elimination stages I have time to improve my current position, helped more by the fact that someone less likely to win games has more points than somebody who I do expect to win games.

I hope this makes sense.

Wrong... With your logic you should have eliminated the weaker player... Why? You made stronger player your direct competition, so if you get points as much as the stronger player, you will not pass anyone in the rankings table. So what was your motive, to go up in the rankings table or something else? If I understand correctly the score is restarted in round 6.

In order for this to be clear: In the next 2 rounds(6 games) lets say weaker player gets 2 points, and both nole and cofeine take 3 points, who will be last on the ranking board? Caffeine 3 points, nole 4 points and weaker player 4 points.

Donelladan wrote:
. not sure about foe and move on, could affect the tournament...

It wouldn't affect the tournament, the foe list doesn't work on tournaments.

The question is... If foe list doesn't work, and players are not warned for unfair play how can a player protect himself from unwanted risk?

Posted: **Fri Oct 16, 2015 6:22 pm**

1300 + troops? WTF? Why do you boring ass fucks stock up so many troops? That's exactly why I don't join crappy tournaments just so I can sit around for a week or a month and think I am some kind of military genius with my 1300+troops!

It's a game...just play the game! It's called RISK-style play...so ATTACK THE SHIT OUT OF PEOPLE AND DON'T EVER LET GAMES END UP WITH PEOPLE WHO HAVE 1300 + TROOPS!

That's my opinion. Worthless game playing and a waste of time. This is precisely why all ranks and points should be removed from the website. JUST PLAY THE FUCKING GAME AND SHUT YOUR PIE HOLE!

Posted: **Fri Oct 16, 2015 6:57 pm**

Thanks everyone for the advice, but this forum is about EVIDENCE.

Unless you have any evidence (or defense for the accused) please kindly do not post or create a new thread in the discussion forum to discuss this or any other case.

Multi hunters and admin read every post in this section of the forum in our search of reaching a conclusion and having others opinions in here only serves to cloud our judgement.

Thanks

Posted: **Sat Oct 17, 2015 5:12 am**

Just FYI, there are also pms to me from the accused in which he states he felt bad about taking that game away from me, then offered to somehow make it up to me (maybe by throwing another game in the tourney which is still ongoing). I will try to figure out how to post screenshots from my phone.

Posted: **Sat Oct 17, 2015 6:35 am**

nolefan5311 wrote:Just FYI, there are also pms to me from the accused in which he states he felt bad about taking that game away from me, then offered to somehow make it up to me (maybe by throwing another game in the tourney which is still ongoing). I will try to figure out how to post screenshots from my phone.

If you report the PM's then King A can see them

.. click on the upside down triangle in the top right of the PM to report it

Posted: **Sat Oct 17, 2015 7:26 am**

We have tons of precedent that if losing the current game proceeds towards improving your chances in the tournament, then it does not constitute game throwing. You have a right to act strategically to advance your interests in the tournament. I guess the way you can reconcile that with the (admittedly misleading) wording of the rules is to consider the tournament as a whole to be a "meta-game" in which the individual games are just incidents.

Posted: **Sat Oct 17, 2015 7:28 am**

nolefan5311 wrote:Just FYI, there are also pms to me from the accused in which he states he felt bad about taking that game away from me, then offered to somehow make it up to me (maybe by throwing another game in the tourney which is still ongoing). I will try to figure out how to post screenshots from my phone.

This is true, but doesn't change the situation. I had to take the game from you to put myself in the best situation, as already explained.

Can someone told me what GoranZ said? I deliberately ignore his posts.

Posted: **Sat Oct 17, 2015 9:24 am**

GoranZ wrote:
iAmCaffeine wrote:Incorrect unfortunately. It does help my chances in the overall tournament.

Before this game ended nolefan5311 and the other player both had one win in eight games. I remain on zero. Working on the basis that nolefan is better than the other player, I decided my chances of moving up the scoreboard were better if the lesser player had two wins. Since we're not yet at elimination stages I have time to improve my current position, helped more by the fact that someone less likely to win games has more points than somebody who I do expect to win games.

I hope this makes sense.

Wrong... With your logic you should have eliminated the weaker player... Why? You made stronger player your direct competition, so if you get points as much as the stronger player, you will not pass anyone in the rankings table. So what was your motive, to go up in the rankings table or something else? If I understand correctly the score is restarted in round 6.

In order for this to be clear: In the next 2 rounds(6 games) lets say weaker player gets 2 points, and both nole and cofeine take 3 points, who will be last on the ranking board? Caffeine 3 points, nole 4 points and weaker player 4 points.

Donelladan wrote:
. not sure about foe and move on, could affect the tournament...

It wouldn't affect the tournament, the foe list doesn't work on tournaments.

The question is... If foe list doesn't work, and players are not warned for unfair play how can a player protect himself from unwanted risk?

Posted: **Sat Oct 17, 2015 9:43 am**

@GoranZ

No, you're wrong, though as always you will never accept it. I'm pretty certain the weaker player will not get two wins in the next two rounds. I can realistically get two or three, and yes nolefan5311 might do the same, but he might not. From my perspective this is my best chance.

I believe the foe list/tournament change was made primarily for clan wars, but that isn't the issue. The problem is having a round limit. Now that some games last 20, 30 or 50 rounds, you will see players who just start stacking from the very first turn. In two tournament games currently coming to an end I've been leading most of the game but someone has decided, even though they have no chance of winning, to try and stop me from doing so as well. Ironically, it's likely nolefan5311 will win that game as a result.

Unfortunately, this is how round limits work.

Posted: **Sat Oct 17, 2015 1:11 pm**

iAmCaffeine wrote:Incorrect unfortunately. It does help my chances in the overall tournament.

Before this game ended nolefan5311 and the other player both had one win in eight games. I remain on zero. Working on the basis that nolefan is better than the other player, I decided my chances of moving up the scoreboard were better if the lesser player had two wins. Since we're not yet at elimination stages I have time to improve my current position, helped more by the fact that someone less likely to win games has more points than somebody who I do expect to win games.

I hope this makes sense.

Makes perfect sense you are playing the long game.

But I can also understand the other players frustration.

Posted: **Sat Oct 17, 2015 2:03 pm**

iAmCaffeine wrote:@GoranZ

No, you're wrong, though as always you will never accept it. I'm pretty certain the weaker player will not get two wins in the next two rounds. I can realistically get two or three, and yes nolefan5311 might do the same, but he might not. From my perspective this is my best chance.

I'm wrong because you say so :lol:

Sorry to inform you but real world doesn't work that way.
Current points of the 3 involved players is following: iAmCaffeine - 2394; nolefan5311 - 2356; igotaished - 1943
With my example(distribution of 8 tournament points):
Total points of all players: 6693 points, so for a victory every player can "use" 837 points. If chances are rounded both you and nole will get 3 tournament points(although in reality you guys should have less then 3), and igotaished should get 2 tournament points(in reality he should get more then 2). So I give both you and nole extra and undervalued igotaished for the sake of the argument.

Now you might consider that you have supernatural capabilities but that can not be seen

You might also claim that you are Superman but plz dont blame me for sticking Kryptonite on you :lol:

In reality in the remaining 6 games the chances that you will advance to next round are rounded to 0%, but you have little better chances to surpass igotaished, although those chances are not high, and are very, very far from what you hope they are(much closer then 0 then to where you hope they are).

Since C/A Team member wanted evidence, I'm quoting my post so it can be considered as evidence.

GoranZ wrote:
iAmCaffeine wrote:Incorrect unfortunately. It does help my chances in the overall tournament.

Before this game ended nolefan5311 and the other player both had one win in eight games. I remain on zero. Working on the basis that nolefan is better than the other player, I decided my chances of moving up the scoreboard were better if the lesser player had two wins. Since we're not yet at elimination stages I have time to improve my current position, helped more by the fact that someone less likely to win games has more points than somebody who I do expect to win games.

I hope this makes sense.

Wrong... With your logic you should have eliminated the weaker player... Why? You made stronger player your direct competition, so if you get points as much as the stronger player, you will not pass anyone in the rankings table. So what was your motive, to go up in the rankings table or something else? If I understand correctly the score is restarted in round 6.

In order for this to be clear: In the next 2 rounds(6 games) lets say weaker player gets 2 points, and both nole and cofeine take 3 points, who will be last on the ranking board? Caffeine 3 points, nole 4 points and weaker player 4 points.

Donelladan wrote:
. not sure about foe and move on, could affect the tournament...

It wouldn't affect the tournament, the foe list doesn't work on tournaments.

The question is... If foe list doesn't work, and players are not warned for unfair play how can a player protect himself from unwanted risk?

I also propose for the C/A team to bring decision after the tournament reaches round 6, so they can reevaluate the effects from iAmCaffeine actions based on what happen, and not what can happen.

Posted: **Sat Oct 17, 2015 2:38 pm**

GoranZ wrote:I also propose for the C/A team to bring decision after the tournament reaches round 6, so they can reevaluate the effects from iAmCaffeine actions based on what happen, and not what can happen.

that shouldn't be difficult, since no site rules were broken and not a single similar complaint has ever returned a verdict against the accused... however, i do like your "proposal" to the C&A mods... it is kind of cute, you can really tell you don't spend much time in the forums or C&A, for that matter... i'll try to go lightly on you when the accused is cleared... i am sure your intentions are well... to me, you just seem a little misguided. good luck!!! good luck sorting out this tough one, mods!!!-Jésus noir

p.s.-eagerly awaiting the NEW precedent this wholly original complaint sets!!

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