Conquer Club

Accused:

dkmaster

The accused are suspected of:

Other: Game throwing

Game number(s):

Game 15892658

Comments:

It always gets suspicious when some one attacks your stack in final rounds of the game. Not to win the game but to only sabotage you and him self.
In this case it was the last deciding game for this tournament
https://www.conquerclub.com/player.php? ... d=15892658.

thus dkmaster gave this game to zips5000 and won the tournament.
won the tournament? yes he won because I was the only player in that game who would have taken over the tournament win.
When I asked him about this cheap play , here is his reply:
[REPLY from dkmaster]

When I play one game I play for winning that game.

When I play a tournament with over 40 games I play to win the tournament and dont care about one game.

I cant use 50 credits for anything. Actually didnt even notice that. But with your "nice" langauge it looks like you are really mad about the fact that you didnt get them.

Please dont write me again if you cant argue better than that

[/REPLY from dkmaster]

Here is the screen shot of round 26. you can see my stack here:


I did not got chance to take the screen shot after he sabotaged me but he left me with 700 troops after he suicide on me.

Please look into this matter.
Nooruddin

so it was you or him to win the tournament and he chooses himself
what a loser! I would totally gave the tournament to you
and even send some more credits, just in case you needed it!

When I play a tournament with over 40 games I play to win the tournament and dont care about one game.

I think that is a valid explanation and perfectly legitimate way to play.

Kexor wrote:

When I play a tournament with over 40 games I play to win the tournament and dont care about one game.

I think that is a valid explanation and perfectly legitimate way to play.

you mean any one can throw a game if he/she do not care?

nooruddinaftab wrote:

Kexor wrote:

When I play a tournament with over 40 games I play to win the tournament and dont care about one game.

I think that is a valid explanation and perfectly legitimate way to play.

you mean any one can throw a game if he/she do not care?

No, it is ok to throw a game to win a tournament. Or at least that's what Kexor meant.
I have no idea of the exact rule actually but ti seems to be accepted.

Donelladan wrote:No, it is ok to throw a game to win a tournament. Or at least that's what Kexor meant.
I have no idea of the exact rule actually but ti seems to be accepted.

Yes, that is what I meant. If it is against the rules either the rule or this type of tournament is flawed and should probably be reconsidered imho.

Kexor wrote:

Donelladan wrote:No, it is ok to throw a game to win a tournament. Or at least that's what Kexor meant.
I have no idea of the exact rule actually but ti seems to be accepted.

Yes, that is what I meant. If it is against the rules either the rule or this type of tournament is flawed and should probably be reconsidered imho.

It's not against the rules. There was a thread about it in the tournaments forum a while ago.

I did a similar thing recently and have done before. If you can guarantee winning a tournament by losing a game then you're an idiot not to.

iAmCaffeine wrote:

Kexor wrote:

Donelladan wrote:No, it is ok to throw a game to win a tournament. Or at least that's what Kexor meant.
I have no idea of the exact rule actually but ti seems to be accepted.

Yes, that is what I meant. If it is against the rules either the rule or this type of tournament is flawed and should probably be reconsidered imho.

It's not against the rules. There was a thread about it in the tournaments forum a while ago.

I did a similar thing recently and have done before. If you can guarantee winning a tournament by losing a game then you're an idiot not to.

This. It has been ruled upon. Kinda like losing a battle, but winning the war kind of mind-set.

TheForgivenOne wrote:

iAmCaffeine wrote:

Kexor wrote:

Donelladan wrote:No, it is ok to throw a game to win a tournament. Or at least that's what Kexor meant.
I have no idea of the exact rule actually but ti seems to be accepted.

Yes, that is what I meant. If it is against the rules either the rule or this type of tournament is flawed and should probably be reconsidered imho.

It's not against the rules. There was a thread about it in the tournaments forum a while ago.

I did a similar thing recently and have done before. If you can guarantee winning a tournament by losing a game then you're an idiot not to.

This. It has been ruled upon. Kinda like losing a battle, but winning the war kind of mind-set.

professional sports teams do the same thing... there has already been a ruling on a similar case, you aren't going to get a result that you like... sorry, but it is not an infraction...-Jésus noir

Actually it aint that black or white as you think Noo. I didnt suicide on you. It was a question of either loose or making an attack hoping to win instead.

But with your PM

"very cheap of you red. was not expecting this kind of play from you. and for what? stupid 50 credits? shove em up your arse"

I just didnt think you deserved a longer explanation giving up some of my tactics to turn around games positively.

We were 4 players stacking. Before my turn zips attacked and took out rcfritz. So I didnt expect him to be that strong anymore. He did trade in though and could set up several traps making it hard to take him out.

I was looking down at 2 pairs. Knowing that with 5 spoils next round and the fact that these 5 spoils were worth nearly the same as my troops count, I had to do something.

So instead of just waiting for you to kill me I attacked you and placed a lot of troops hidden at 4 castles. And that way hoping to survive another round being able to trade in my spoils.

I took a snapshot but I dont know how to put it in here so made an attachment were you can see it.

If zips hadnt been lucky to have a set he wouldnt have been able to take me out. You on the other hand still had a chance of taking me out either by yourself or if zips failed at taking a castle.

So calling it suicide and throwing a game are simply not correct. Had I wished to suicide or throw the game I would have attacked your stack full force instead of making traps at every castle.

I could have attacked zips trying to take him out. But knowing that if I failed you would win for sure I decided not to.

And yes ofcourse I made my decision from the fact that I wanted to win the tournament. Not knowing the fully strenght of my opponent.
But knowing as a fact that you would take down the game and tournament if you attacked me next round. I saw no other choice than to attack you and try to improve my situation.

And I will choose to do so next time I am in a similar situation.

Because why play a tournament if you dont play to win

dkmaster wrote:And I will choose to do so next time I am in a similar situation.

Because why play a tournament if you dont play to win

amen.. the black jesus has spoken...-Jésus noir

I'm afraid that the comments above are correct. With regards to Tournament games, if it comes to a situation where if someone needs to lose the game in order for that other player to win the Tournament or to go to the next round, then it is acceptable and it precedes the game throwing rule.

You can always contact the Tournament Organizer to clarify what happened or if he will allow it.

king achilles wrote:I'm afraid that the comments above are correct. With regards to Tournament games, if it comes to a situation where if someone needs to lose the game in order for that other player to win the Tournament or to go to the next round, then it is acceptable and it precedes the game throwing rule.

You can always contact the Tournament Organizer to clarify what happened or if he will allow it.

Wow this is a major change in the rules for the better. It should be updated in the community guidelines though. All cases i have seen over the last 5 years have always said if you can proove several instances then you have a case. Mods have always used the saying that rules are rules. And the rules state no intentional game throwing(games are individual and tourneys are a group of individual games). It now looks like you are classing tourneys as 1 big game. Good on you .

eddie2 wrote:

king achilles wrote:I'm afraid that the comments above are correct. With regards to Tournament games, if it comes to a situation where if someone needs to lose the game in order for that other player to win the Tournament or to go to the next round, then it is acceptable and it precedes the game throwing rule.

You can always contact the Tournament Organizer to clarify what happened or if he will allow it.

Wow this is a major change in the rules for the better. It should be updated in the community guidelines though. All cases i have seen over the last 5 years have always said if you can proove several instances then you have a case. Mods have always used the saying that rules are rules. And the rules state no intentional game throwing(games are individual and tourneys are a group of individual games). It now looks like you are classing tourneys as 1 big game. Good on you .

THIS WAS ALWAYS THE CASE EDDIE, YOU JUST MISSED IT, ups caps lock

Benga look back at the ollie case 3 weeks ago. He took a player out kraftone to help him have a chance of progressing this case was noted. The rule is written for single games. Because tourneys are a group of games it has never been classed as that. The result in this case is a change around and one for the better. They are now looking at them as a tourney is one big game.

Ps

Like our beta champions tourney. Hammer missed a turn so wont win any points, i have 9 points the game is worth 6 points. I am going to try and make it hammer wins because it will garentee me a progretion to round 2. My base makes it hard for me 2 win with literally no chance

The G-O and K1 games are completely different and I can't be bothered to explain why. It's obvious.