Conquer Club

Accused:
Barksdale

The accused is suspected of:
Hostage Taking

Game number(s):
Game 15661011

Comments:
After early disagreements in the game, the accused cornered me and has been holding me hostage for the last 15 rounds despite me holding 4 cards.
(Yes, I recognize I lost my temper with him when he taunted me - and I apologize for the language - but I was under the impression that hostage taking was considered a rule violation).

His actions have ruined the game and I will not reward his behavior or hand him an advantage by taking a fifth card.

Thanks.

Orwell has been foed

he is not holding you hostage... he is playing a strategy... he wants to kill you with 5 cards, for obvious reasons... nothing to see here, move along...-Jésus noir

Just take New England, end and die.

owenshooter wrote:he is not holding you hostage... he is playing a strategy... he wants to kill you with 5 cards, for obvious reasons...

I disagree - spite is not a strategy.

Orwell wrote:

owenshooter wrote:he is not holding you hostage... he is playing a strategy... he wants to kill you with 5 cards, for obvious reasons...

I disagree - spite is not a strategy.

Waiting for 5 cards, however, is. Or did you conveniently not read that part of what you quoted?

Bollocks.

iAmCaffeine wrote:Just take New England, end and die.

Barksdale has done nothing wrong...What YOU are doing is spite

Serbia wrote:

Orwell wrote:

owenshooter wrote:he is not holding you hostage... he is playing a strategy... he wants to kill you with 5 cards, for obvious reasons...

I disagree - spite is not a strategy.

Waiting for 5 cards, however, is. Or did you conveniently not read that part of what you quoted?

Bollocks.

Or holding 4 cards in his "bank" till he needs them when they are worth far more. It would be a waste to take them straight away.

Serbia wrote:

Orwell wrote:

owenshooter wrote:he is not holding you hostage... he is playing a strategy... he wants to kill you with 5 cards, for obvious reasons...

I disagree - spite is not a strategy.

Waiting for 5 cards, however, is. Or did you conveniently not read that part of what you quoted?

Bollocks.

His motive is established in game chat. But sure, rushing to judgement and assuming a strategy is way easier. Thanks for that.

Orwell wrote:

Serbia wrote:

Orwell wrote:

owenshooter wrote:he is not holding you hostage... he is playing a strategy... he wants to kill you with 5 cards, for obvious reasons...

I disagree - spite is not a strategy.

Waiting for 5 cards, however, is. Or did you conveniently not read that part of what you quoted?

Bollocks.

His motive is established in game chat. But sure, rushing to judgement and assuming a strategy is way easier. Thanks for that.

Are you able to read? The following is from the game chat:

2015-07-03 22:05:55 - Barksdale: Orwell, you a silly little boy. Get a card and I will take you out. Who is your Daddy

"GET A CARD AND I WILL TAKE YOU OUT."

But sure, accusing someone of being a meanie head is easier than playing the game. You're welcome.

Bollocks.

And thank you for defining a hostage situation.

So despite how you feel about how he handled it, do you not see the strategic value in waiting until you have a 5th card to take you out, based on the number of troops gained per set?

I don't think a single person out there would be like oh yeah lets just give away a card because someone made a thread about it.

Actually, a better strategy would be to give up a Canadian territory rather than the USA bonus, but still...
On first read this does fit the definition of a hostage situation; however I think that is intended to apply where there is no tactical loss by taking the player, and no reason not to. In this particular case, as there is a tactical advantage in not doing so, I think it can be considered as game strategy.
It's not always straightforward to say that he should take you out because he can - a similar situation might apply in an assassin game or an objective game.

clangfield wrote:Actually, a better strategy would be to give up a Canadian territory rather than the USA bonus, but still...
On first read this does fit the definition of a hostage situation; however I think that is intended to apply where there is no tactical loss by taking the player, and no reason not to. In this particular case, as there is a tactical advantage in not doing so, I think it can be considered as game strategy.
It's not always straightforward to say that he should take you out because he can - a similar situation might apply in an assassin game or an objective game.

Thank you for your thoughtful approach and response - I sincerely appreciate it.

I do understand the strategic reasons for waiting for a fifth card; however, when the player in question has been told that there will be no fifth card, that changes things: it's not holding out for a card, it is holding a hostage - and making the demand to take a card in order to be taken out of the game only amplifies it.

clangfield wrote:On first read this does fit the definition of a hostage situation;

no it isn't, he has a move to make... it is like he has a couple of 1,200's surrounding him... he has a clear path of attack and will be killed after he gets his 5th card.-Jn

Orwell wrote:I do understand the strategic reasons for waiting for a fifth card; however, when the player in question has been told that there will be no fifth card, that changes things: it's not holding out for a card, it is holding a hostage - and making the demand to take a card in order to be taken out of the game only amplifies it.

sorry about your little butt... sounds like you are just a sore loser who is trying to dictate how the game is going to go, as you are on your way out. anyone on this site would wait for you to get that 5th card before killing you, it is RISK Strategy 101... just because you don't like it, doesn't mean you can knock the board over and take all the pieces home with you (you sure showed them!!)... end the tantrum, take the region, get the card, get killed... it is that simple...-Jn

PS. HE TOOK THE CARD!!! WOO HOO!!!!

owenshooter wrote:PS. HE TOOK THE CARD!!! WOO HOO!!!!

Yeah, imagine that... I report him for 15 rounds of hostage taking and he takes the card. A real stand up.

Orwell wrote:

owenshooter wrote:PS. HE TOOK THE CARD!!! WOO HOO!!!!

Yeah, imagine that... I report him for 15 rounds of hostage taking and he takes the card. A real stand up.

Really don't understand what you're complaining about. You're a premium, so you can play an unlimited number of games anyway, so it's not like you need a slot. You knew why he was waiting to take you out, and you could have just played ball. Or, you SHOULD have just said "fine, you won't take me out, I'll just sit here and deploy and grow larger, and either screw you later, or make you waste more troops taking me out". Instead, you cried. I can't understand the whole victim mentality.

Bollocks.

Serbia wrote:

Orwell wrote:

owenshooter wrote:PS. HE TOOK THE CARD!!! WOO HOO!!!!

Yeah, imagine that... I report him for 15 rounds of hostage taking and he takes the card. A real stand up.

Really don't understand what you're complaining about. You're a premium, so you can play an unlimited number of games anyway, so it's not like you need a slot. You knew why he was waiting to take you out, and you could have just played ball. Or, you SHOULD have just said "fine, you won't take me out, I'll just sit here and deploy and grow larger, and either screw you later, or make you waste more troops taking me out". Instead, you cried. I can't understand the whole victim mentality.

Right. You keep telling me I don't understand so thank you for clearing up that it is you who does not understand the situation.

As a matter of principle, I reported it ...for valid reasons... and considering you gave the perfect definition of a hostage situation, I think my complaint holds merit.

So at this point, it's unfortunate that an actual mod has not weighed in to confirm or deny what CC considers hostage taking. I really couldn't care less what the peanut gallery thinks of me and I think even less of the insults hurled at me for speaking up. There is no victim mentality; this is a situation in which a player kept me in check out of spite. That speaks to both intent and attitude. Hey, if you all think the latter is fair game, fine... but the former is considered a rule violation. If it isn't, then it shouldn't be listed as an "Unwritten Rule" that is considered "abuse" - but hey, apparently piling on to someone who reports a situation is A-OK!

It's so awesome to see this system works. Thanks y'all.

I agree that your report has merit but I wanted to find out if this can be sorted without any involvement from a mod. You do have a very valid reason to make this report since he has stalled in eliminating you in this game. I do, however, also can not ignore that you happen to be a premium member. This is not to say that all premium members shouldn't make a report like this but non-premium members are more affected if they are held in one of their limited game slots. It's unusual that in this situation, it is the other way around.

This report has been noted in his records for future reference.

Orwell wrote:

Serbia wrote:

Orwell wrote:

owenshooter wrote:PS. HE TOOK THE CARD!!! WOO HOO!!!!

Yeah, imagine that... I report him for 15 rounds of hostage taking and he takes the card. A real stand up.

Really don't understand what you're complaining about. You're a premium, so you can play an unlimited number of games anyway, so it's not like you need a slot. You knew why he was waiting to take you out, and you could have just played ball. Or, you SHOULD have just said "fine, you won't take me out, I'll just sit here and deploy and grow larger, and either screw you later, or make you waste more troops taking me out". Instead, you cried. I can't understand the whole victim mentality.

Right. You keep telling me I don't understand so thank you for clearing up that it is you who does not understand the situation.

As a matter of principle, I reported it ...for valid reasons... and considering you gave the perfect definition of a hostage situation, I think my complaint holds merit.
So at this point, it's unfortunate that an actual mod has not weighed in to confirm or deny what CC considers hostage taking. I really couldn't careless what the peanut gallery thinks of me and even less of the insults hurled at me for speaking up.

It's so awesome to see this system works. Thanks y'all.

Since you can't understand written word anyway, I'll make this short for you. I understand the situation totally. It can be considered "hostage taking", but in my mind is a ridiculous report. What I don't understand is the amount of whining you have done. Now go ahead and feel free to allow this to go right over your head.

Bollocks.

king achilles wrote:I agree that your report has merit but I wanted to find out if this can be sorted without any involvement from a mod. You do have a very valid reason to make this report since he has stalled in eliminating you in this game. I do, however, also can not ignore that you happen to be a premium member. This is not to say that all premium members shouldn't make a report like this but non-premium members are more affected if they are held in one of their limited game slots. It's unusual that in this situation, it is the other way around.

This report has been noted in his records for future reference.

Thank you for addressing the issue.

I do not see my Premium status as an issue, but if that is the basis of a hostage taking situation, then I accept it. I do think it should be clarified in the rules that a situation like this (that prolongs one's time in an unfriendly game environment) does not apply to Premium because of slots rather than for reasons of "abuse" of a player.

Serbia wrote:

Orwell wrote:

Serbia wrote:

Orwell wrote:

owenshooter wrote:PS. HE TOOK THE CARD!!! WOO HOO!!!!

Yeah, imagine that... I report him for 15 rounds of hostage taking and he takes the card. A real stand up.

Really don't understand what you're complaining about. You're a premium, so you can play an unlimited number of games anyway, so it's not like you need a slot. You knew why he was waiting to take you out, and you could have just played ball. Or, you SHOULD have just said "fine, you won't take me out, I'll just sit here and deploy and grow larger, and either screw you later, or make you waste more troops taking me out". Instead, you cried. I can't understand the whole victim mentality.

Right. You keep telling me I don't understand so thank you for clearing up that it is you who does not understand the situation.

As a matter of principle, I reported it ...for valid reasons... and considering you gave the perfect definition of a hostage situation, I think my complaint holds merit.
So at this point, it's unfortunate that an actual mod has not weighed in to confirm or deny what CC considers hostage taking. I really couldn't careless what the peanut gallery thinks of me and even less of the insults hurled at me for speaking up.

It's so awesome to see this system works. Thanks y'all.

Since you can't understand written word anyway, I'll make this short for you. I understand the situation totally. It can be considered "hostage taking", but in my mind is a ridiculous report. What I don't understand is the amount of whining you have done. Now go ahead and feel free to allow this to go right over your head.

Ah, the written language. Yeah, The thing about the written language is that I am not required to address every tangent or entertain the clear red herrings you keep lobbing at me... especially when you resort to (albeit, subtle) insults about my reading comprehension.

But, if you REALLY want to go there, I could (and I do) question your ability to make a logical argument since you would rather attack my person than the point I am making.
So, you have gotten to the heart of it: you consider it ridiculous... and that is SO awesome for you. I consider it, like you said, "hostage taking" which is also looked down upon. I wanted to know if it was enforced.

So, take my reason or leave it - but "clever" sign offs don't win arguments; substance does.

Cheers mate.

Someone alerted me that Orwell was chatting about me in this forum. As you can see, I haven't played many games compared to others. Someone let me know if I'm at fault but I think it is important to know the whole story. This is a competitive game and Orwell and I combatted a time or two in North America. He was losing and then suggested that I needed to just give him North America. Yes, my goal was to eliminate him but others kept giving him an out.
After a while, I was struggling to finish him off so thought I may back off and exit North America. I offered him that but he said 'no deal'. I certainly could appreciate that based on our history so I said ok and kept coming after him. I pinned him (cornered) him and he refused to take one of my territories (he didn't want to give me a fifth card). I understand that to, so I worked on others why he remained stubborn. It was his choice. I told him I would take him out after he got a fifth card (would have to because he would hammer me after the turn in). His stubbornness wouldn't allow that to happen. Now premium or not (I will pay to play if I need to), I don't play as often as most of you because my home life would be wrecked. But check out the log and the chat and you will see who the idiot is. Orwell, just be glad you can cuss me behind a keyboard because I can assure you that you aren't man enough for me little boy. I know your kind and I'm sorry people picked on you when you were a kid

Orwell wrote:So, take my reason or leave it - but "clever" sign offs don't win arguments; substance does.

2015-07-04 02:26:42 - Orwell: Fuck off.

Bollocks.