Conquer Club

Accused:

Captain Mercy




The accused are suspected of:

Being Multis



Game number(s):

Game 15320208



Comments: There is absolutely no reason for accusing this player, except for his very good skill in one of the most difficult maps and settings in CC, in which he is holding the balance without having good dice, something that strikes very impressive for a new unexperienced player. I am fully aware that I may just be accusing an innocent and very promising new player. I would be very happy to listen that my suspicions are not verified. All I would politely ask is a casual routine multi-check, nothing else. I will not even inform him for the accusation, since I would not want him to create a wrong impression for the site. Thank you and a priori appologies if I am mistaken (and I would be pleases to be mistaken)

Kaskavel wrote: unexperienced player.

unexperienced? oh, inexperienced... it isn't really that difficult of a map... if you read the legend, it isn't hard... he has a ton of classic and then you can see he branched out to more difficult maps... getting your ass kicked by a striper isn't really the end of the world, is it? i do like how you threw in his dice as another reason he has to be a multi... "he is kind of sort of winning and has bad dice, he must be experienced." i hope this guy is cleared...-Jésus noir

p.s.-way to be a man and let him know you reported him... oh, i had to do that...

nothing to see. The accused is cleared

sniff

Cleared

Thank you Sniffie.

owenshooter wrote:

Kaskavel wrote: unexperienced player.

unexperienced? oh, inexperienced... it isn't really that difficult of a map... if you read the legend, it isn't hard... he has a ton of classic and then you can see he branched out to more difficult maps... getting your ass kicked by a striper isn't really the end of the world, is it? i do like how you threw in his dice as another reason he has to be a multi... "he is kind of sort of winning and has bad dice, he must be experienced." i hope this guy is cleared...-Jésus noir

p.s.-way to be a man and let him know you reported him... oh, i had to do that...

Oh so all the autodeploys, objectives and all the crap you have on this map are not difficult, mostly when you ve been on the site for just 2 days?

I don t buy that you can kick the conqueror's ass without the help of the dice on your first game. Too many cc concepts that you can t master on your first game.

He didn't kick my ass by the way, he is losing, but he played remarkably well. I am glad he is not multi as he seems he will become a very good player. And do not pay attention to what owenshooter says of course...
I had not noticed that he joined 3 days ago by the way

Kaskavel wrote:He didn't kick my ass by the way, he is losing, but he played remarkably well. I am glad he is not multi as he seems he will become a very good player. And do not pay attention to what owenshooter says of course...
I had not noticed that he joined 3 days ago by the way

because i was correct and know how to spell? ok... that makes sense...-Jésus noir

sniffle, you sure about that? Here is the chat transcript:

Chat wrote:2015-02-06 18:53:02 - Captain Mercy: My dearest competitor
2015-02-06 18:57:09 - Captain Mercy: I am by no way cheating and i am gla I got the possibity to play against you.. I wished u asked myself first before accusing me. I played before several years ago and decided to start again therefore you might meet some resistance.
. . . .
2015-02-06 19:00:08 - Captain Mercy: No its not cheating. I do not have several acounts. The last time I played was like 3-4 years ago
2015-02-06 19:00:57 - Captain Mercy: I do not have my old account. It was deleted years ago.
. . . .
2015-02-06 19:08:23 - Captain Mercy: The reason I could[n't] reactivate my old account is that I dont have access to my old email adress anymore and therefore cant retrieve the account.
2015-02-06 19:10:27 - Captain Mercy: Actually htis is this is the first time I playe polymorphic...that wasnt a choice last time i was "hooked" on CC..

I don't know if you can find his old account to link it to (and he did buy premium on this account), but his old account at least should be deactivated.

lancehoch wrote:sniffle, you sure about that? Here is the chat transcript:

Chat wrote:2015-02-06 18:53:02 - Captain Mercy: My dearest competitor
2015-02-06 18:57:09 - Captain Mercy: I am by no way cheating and i am gla I got the possibity to play against you.. I wished u asked myself first before accusing me. I played before several years ago and decided to start again therefore you might meet some resistance.
. . . .
2015-02-06 19:00:08 - Captain Mercy: No its not cheating. I do not have several acounts. The last time I played was like 3-4 years ago
2015-02-06 19:00:57 - Captain Mercy: I do not have my old account. It was deleted years ago.
. . . .
2015-02-06 19:08:23 - Captain Mercy: The reason I could[n't] reactivate my old account is that I dont have access to my old email adress anymore and therefore cant retrieve the account.
2015-02-06 19:10:27 - Captain Mercy: Actually htis is this is the first time I playe polymorphic...that wasnt a choice last time i was "hooked" on CC..

I don't know if you can find his old account to link it to (and he did buy premium on this account), but his old account at least should be deactivated.

This was obvious. No way you can understand the complicated cc map twerks all at once.
This proves the multi check doesn't work correctly. But it s pretty obvious... If you have a new computer, a new place and a new email you can t be caught.

Lancehoch, my opinion is that we should not create problems for the player in discussion, I am OK with what he said, as you apparently saw yourself by reading the chat. Owenshooter is never rational in these discussions, especially when it involves assaulting me, but proving him he is wrong as usual, should not be a serious enough reason to lead in banning Mercy's account. Unless you really want him banned, thinking he is a cheater

@ Betiko: The multi check works, it's just that if a player is genuinely gone for years, they will most likely not be using the same IP, computer and whatnot that they were using before. Therefore, they are not exactly a multi because they are running ONE account.

Meh, the usual outcome is the return of an old account where the person is not exactly a multi, but didn't know how to get their account back. Just leave this one with the powers that be and let them investigate and decide what to do.

Shannon Apple wrote:@ Betiko: The multi check works, it's just that if a player is genuinely gone for years, they will most likely not be using the same IP, computer and whatnot that they were using before. Therefore, they are not exactly a multi because they are running ONE account.

Meh, the usual outcome is the return of an old account where the person is not exactly a multi, but didn't know how to get their account back. Just leave this one with the powers that be and let them investigate and decide what to do.

sorry, shannon... he is a multi... if you are playing one new account, because you can't remember the password for the old existing account (CC does not delete accounts), you are a multi. the admins have made that clear, so that part of your comment is pretty much 100% incorrect. however, i do agree with your statement about running an IP check won't always pop a multi and the new evidence shows that he is clearly a multi.

Kaskavel wrote:blah, blah, blah... i was right, even if the IP check i requested yielded nothing and it took another member posting game chat to get this bust.

maybe if you put THAT in your original complaint, the outcome would have been different. if you make a complaint, you should present all relevant details. running an IP check does not always bust a multi. but stating in chat that he had a prior account is pretty solid. thank goodness someone was here for you to do your homework again... keep whining and keep shining, you are the best at what you do... but we both know it isn't spelling... the black jesus has spoken...-Jésus noir

Kaskavel wrote:Lancehoch, my opinion is that we should not create problems for the player in discussion, I am OK with what he said, as you apparently saw yourself by reading the chat. Owenshooter is never rational in these discussions, especially when it involves assaulting me, but proving him he is wrong as usual, should not be a serious enough reason to lead in banning Mercy's account. Unless you really want him banned, thinking he is a cheater

The rule is you can't create a second account. I disappeared for for or five years, but I came back on the same account.

The standard procedure with a first bust is to deactivate both accounts and allow the person to buy back. Here, he isn't using the original account and he purchase premium last week. I think he should be busted, but allowed to continue as premium on one of the accounts (preferably on the original account).

If you didn't think he should have been busted, you shouldn't have reported him initially.

Shannon Apple wrote:@ Betiko: The multi check works, it's just that if a player is genuinely gone for years, they will most likely not be using the same IP, computer and whatnot that they were using before. Therefore, they are not exactly a multi because they are running ONE account.

Meh, the usual outcome is the return of an old account where the person is not exactly a multi, but didn't know how to get their account back. Just leave this one with the powers that be and let them investigate and decide what to do.

well that's what I'm saying... after a 4-5 years you have most likely changed computer, and you have likely moved somewhere else.
I don't think what the guy did is really wrong, but yeah, he'll have to use his old account.

owenshooter wrote:

Kaskavel wrote:blah, blah, blah... i was right, even if the IP check i requested yielded nothing and it took another member posting game chat to get this bust.

maybe if you put THAT in your original complaint, the outcome would have been different. if you make a complaint, you should present all relevant details. running an IP check does not always bust a multi. but stating in chat that he had a prior account is pretty solid. thank goodness someone was here for you to do your homework again... keep whining and keep shining, you are the best at what you do... but we both know it isn't spelling... the black jesus has spoken...-Jésus noir

Damn, you are right, as usual... I have to admit that including the confession (made at 17.53) into my report (made at 15.11) never crossed my mind. I will work harder with my divination spell accuracy next time. My failure to comprehend and interpret the omens correctly forced me to limit my report evidence to the use of my gameplay experience and strategic comprehension in order to reach the conclusion that my opponent was more experienced than his number of total games implied. Of course, I must have been very lucky to be right, while you screamed I was wrong, using your own judgement. After all, it is common knowledge you are always right. Also, given the fact that the "confession" was a result of you informing my opponent about the report (a remarkably disastrous attempt at somehow hurting me by exposing me at the accused) in an blank, until that point, game chat means that the chronological flow of events is quite clear, which in turn makes your last "blunder post in order to justify the previous blunder post" quite strange, funny and enjoyable to read.
By the way, do you ever post anything that makes some kind of sense? Ever felt the desire to just admit that you messed up in absolutely everything in all of your posts in subject? Except for my spelling mistake of course. I will try harder next time, since I am sure that you, in turn, never make spelling mistakes when using the Greek language...

Kaskavel, you are correct about the order of events. However, you could have come back to the forum and added information, either by editing the original post or by posting a reply.

It is also clear that the hunters are not being as thorough as is required. sniffle cleared this in just over 90 minutes. Captain Mercy had posted in the game chat within another two hours admitting he had multiple accounts. I don't understand the rush to clear cases.

Sure I could. But the real events as explained by my opponent completely satisfied me, I had no problem with what he did. He was not a multi the way I perceive it. After all, I was answering to a post accusing me of not mentioning the conversation in my "original" post

Kaskavel wrote:Sure I could. But the real events as explained by my opponent completely satisfied me, I had no problem with what he did. He was not a multi the way I perceive it. After all, I was answering to a post accusing me of not mentioning the conversation in my "original" post

so what do you consider a multi? only guys that play with several accounts on the same game to make one of his accounts win? the opponent you are facing has started fresh and the points gained/loss are biaised.
I get your point, the guy isn't a cheater, he just got e-ticket lazy.

Whatever you say is fully acceptable. But this does not "enforce" me to keep accusing him after listening to the truth or bringing into justice new "evidence". I am personaly satisfied from what he said and I stopped being interested in my accusation (and believe me, by reading the topic you will see I had good reasons to want to prove that my accusations were correct,lol). I am not pressed by any written or moral law to keep adding up evidence if I am not considering his actions to be harmful (from my subjective point of view of course). Of course if someone else has a different opinion about those "genuine reborn accounts", he could find the new evidence and bring them forth, as it did happen.

Kaskavel wrote:Whatever you say is fully acceptable. But this does not "enforce" me to keep accusing him after listening to the truth or bringing into justice new "evidence". I am personaly satisfied from what he said and I stopped being interested in my accusation (and believe me, by reading the topic you will see I had good reasons to want to prove that my accusations were correct,lol). I am not pressed by any written or moral law to keep adding up evidence if I am not considering his actions to be harmful (from my subjective point of view of course). Of course if someone else has a different opinion about those "genuine reborn accounts", he could find the new evidence and bring them forth, as it did happen.

if you bring a complaint, you should put everything out there. it isn't so hard to copy game chat and post it in here, is it? so, what you are saying is, it isn't worth your time to do it, but you expect the mods to do it all? sigh... then why even post in C&A? what was the point if you weren't concerned about the outcome? the guy is a multi, another user proved it, while you could have easily done the same thing, and now all of a sudden, it just doesn't matter to you. thanks for wasting the mods time. oh wait, they haven't even STARTED on this yet... sigh...-Jn

This is being re-checked but as of now there is still no findings. I am changing the verdict as Noted.