owenshooter wrote:king achilles wrote:Is there a game where he made a turn while he was missing turns for those games mentioned?
i don't think this question is relevant. we had this situation occur where ronc had an opponent intentionally dead beating or "forfeiting" as he called it, because ron did not let him take a snap (a rules violation in only JORIKI's mind)... JORIKI was taking turns in all of his other games, but not ron's game... yet, he was cleared of intentionally dead beating... when it happened, we said it was a stupid precedent to set, and it is still a stupid precedent... here is the thread:
Subject: intentionally deadbeating JORIKI [BG]now, as far as this case goes, it was a strategic move that many use in poly. it isn't successful if you play an experienced poly player, because they know to attack the color that missed to limit the deferred troops... this is going to be interesting, because of the recent horrible ruling in the ronc issued complaint...-Jésus noir
Dammit. I had typed of a little bit of a response, but accidentally hit the back button and lost it
Briefly, I'm surprised by the ruling that Owen mentions. It's not in accordance with how I understood the rules previously. However, it is irrelevant because I am not accused of intentional deadbeating, which usually comes up in terms of point dumping and collusion but with the more general "gross abuse"-type violation. Basically, there are certain things that you are not allowed to do to gain an unfair advantage. Here, I think the rule could be summarized as "you can't intentionally miss a turn in order to gain an advantage."
So, accuser/investigator has to show both that there was intent to miss the turn and intent to gain an advantage. Arguably, a third prong has to be shown, as well: that an advantage was actually gained. But I'm not well-versed enough in the rules to know, and my answers below address it sufficiently for the moment. Conversely, the accused must show either that the missed turns weren't intentional, or if they could somehow be considered intentional, that there was no intent to gain an advantage.
I think this is easily decided on the first prong. The missed turns weren't intentional. For the past few weeks, I have taken my turns almost entirely in the order that they come up. I simply don't have the time to go through my games and cherry pick the games that I want to play right now. Almost all of my missed turns lately have been in the morning. I either didn't wake up in time to take them, or I fell back asleep or got busy before getting to all of them.
But even if I did intentionally miss (which I didn't), it's pretty clear that there was no intent to gain an advantage. First off, I've often and publicly stated that missed turns rarely afford any advantage. It's unlikely that I "found" several such rare instances over a short period of time against the same opponent. Second, the missed turns actually didn't provide an advantage. The accuser (here and in countless similar cases) makes the mistake of conflating subsequent, irrelevant events with the missed turns. Namely, he got bad dice and didn't play well. In other circumstances, I would sympathise with him. But the bottom line here is that the missed turns themselves didn't provide me with an advantage. In fact, it was a disadvantage, as it almost always is.
For example, in
Game 15268569, S. America had a blue, green, cyan and pink territory and had not been disturbed at the time of the miss. In Australia, I had a green 7 against his 3 yellow, and a cyan 3 and 2. I would have loved to drop green and take them through Australia and most likely pick up the bonus and a spoil. Alas, I missed green's turn. He didn't put enough troops on Aus or trim green in S. Am. (a combination of bad strategy and poor dice). So, while I couldn't take Aus first round, by the time green's turn came up again, Aus. was safe from him for the moment
even without my deferred troops. Additionally, I was able to take S. Am. with green
even without the deferred troops. That sealed his fate, but I guess it's more convenient, though disingenuous, for him to attribute the loss to my disadvantageous missed turn.
Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 7:47 pm
