Multis - webdevil [Cleared] , Novak9 [BUSTED] w/others

[DaveRH]

These are suspected Multis/Secret Alliance (could be either)

Suspect users: webdevil , Novak9

Game number: http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=432147

Comments: Everyone else dropped out of the game right at the beginning, since then, these two have exclusively attacked me and only me the entire game. At first I thought it was because I seemed to be accumulating power faster, so I intentionally slowed down my plan, and yet they still both focus their attacks on me.

I may be wrong, but it seems like something fishy is going on.

Thanks

[Novak9]

Me and Webdevil do NOT have an alliance, the people who droped out where my friends who were just playing during school and then quit afterwards but i stayed and played, and the reason we were only attacking u is because u had the areas we wanted, u were on the podium which i wanted and Webdevil didnt own any of it and u owned print media completly and i was near it so I took it over. And I really only wanted those areas for a while so i didnt need to attack Webdevil because he was at liberal lobby which i didnt care about... ur concerns are just speculation although i can see where u would think whe were allied.

Novak9

[DaveRH]

You had print media with 1 army on your border with web devil. Did he take it away from you? No he decided to attack me , even thought I had nothing.

You're either a dupe or in a secret alliance. If you look at how this game plays out, it's plain as day.

[Novak9]

He did not attack print media cause he was defending liberal lobby... FOR THE LAST TIME WE DONT HAVE AN ALLIANCE, what would even b the purpose of one... I JUST WANT TO PLAY SOME F***ING RISK, SO QUIT UR BITCHIN JUST CAUSE U ARE LOSING!!!!!

[DaveRH]

He didn't even have liberal lobby to defend at the time. You would be loosing too, if there was a multi or secret alliance against you.

Why am I still alive, why when I openly accuse you guys of being in a secret alliance or a multi, did you stop attacking me and start attacking each other, leaving me on the cusp of death. If you weren't doing anything wrong, then why did you not finish me off to get the five cards I have?

Not only does the game make it obvious that you were playing together, but your actions after I accused you make you look guilty too.

Why has Webdevil been mysteriously silent over the entire issue? Is it because it's your account too?

[Novak9]

Srry, he wasnt defending liberal lobby but he was trying to take it over so he used his men to take it... and I didnt finish u off because i didnt have any solders near ur last area...And the way i am acting does not mean ANYTHING I just dont like being accused of cheating... And Webdevil is not Responding cause he almost NEVER talks... And look at his games there is ONE game we are together on... And IF we had an alligance then why would we attack u, Id rather team up on someone better, not just a new recruit

[DaveRH]

well let the admins decide.

[webdevil]

I have never seen/talked/met (or played maybe? i dont know) this Novak.
I hate this game (the senate board sucks) being called out... i was begging to die... it just sits in my queue and i feel like i am holding on by a thread. Just kill me already (thought i would be dead about 5 turns ago).

As for the alliance thing. Sorry is i pissed you off Dave. I have no idea who i was attacking i am looking at strategy and i did not have an advantage with Blue heavily guarding his terrirory it would serve no purpose to just attack 8 v 8 when i had a chance to (you had a lot of spots with 1 army).

Dave you were spread right around me and you never fortify. No crap i will attack you and i dont care what blue does. He was very well defended and playing a good strategy.

Sorry if we both see the weakness. i am done talking strategy. i play 50-60 games at a time and dont need this crap from some guy who is getting beat up. no alliance, nothing, just two guys who can see the signs. Dave, chill out and take the beating.

Oh and does this count as a public forum for allies. No ok, check the chat, i am now formally offering a public alliance with you Novak. and to make it official i will announce my intention in the game.

See you back in there!

[webdevil]

Oh i get eliminated. ooops. oh well. Novak good game. Dave Piss Off. You are a sore loser and wish i had actually thought about an alliance before getting knocked out. i would have no need to hide it.

[DaveRH]

I have never seen/talked/met (or played maybe? i dont
Dave you were spread right around me and you never fortify. No crap i will attack you and i dont care what blue does. He was very well defended and playing a good strategy.
See you back in there!

For two rounds Novak had Print Media with 1 army on each terretory, not defending his borders and you didn't touch him, and he didn't touch you until I accused you of a secret alliance. As soon as I said this , magically you start attacking each other and leaving me alone, not killing me when I had 4 cards and 1 territory left. If you had nothing to hide, why did you guys suddenly change gears.

If I'm such a whiner, why didn't you guys just kill me?

The answer is simple, it is because you are guilty.

I'm not discussing this anymore, we'll let the mods look into it and make a ruling.

[Novak9]

O my god Dave just drop it. We didnt kill u because i ran out of people on ur last guy, and Webdevil dosent pay attention to whom he is killing, U were weak So he killed u i was hiding in my podium, and about him not attacking me... maby he was occupied or wasnt paying attention I Dont Know So just drop It, Face it...U SUCK and when u dont get ur way u whine till u get the other two INNOCENT parties banned. U keep talking bout how I am reacting and think that that means im guilty...IT DOSENT, it means im angry at a stupid retard that gets mad when he dosent get his way. JUST DROP IT AND START ANOTHER GAME, Im getting tired of constantly coming back here to defend myself.

[webdevil]

Your whole bullshit argument is because he had one spot he held for a few turns. When i play, i play overall strategy. You were weak, blue was strong. I parlay eliminations and card snatching to secure the larger fight.

I had absolutely no idea who was where. I dont attack dead players for fun so there were only two targets on my radar and it made no sense to attack blue.

If you need me to spell it out (take it as advice and get better). I didnt attack blue because the current position did not warrant stirring the hornets nest. You were aggressive to me (PS: i didnt even look at if you were hitting blue). In retaliation and in strategic positioning you made the most sense to attack.

Sorry if your gameplay requires you attack each active player just to say you did it. I visualize the board and play it as a whole. Stop trying to find things that can account for your weak position. Part of this game is attacking the right people at the right time (and you dont need an alliance or secret thing to know what makes sense)... my god i do it sometimes just to bait a revenge strike because i can read a players reactions to draw them into spreading thin. (Which you did quite a bit )

Sorry if that meant i didnt waste armies hitting a superior foe (so i only fought on one front). We have explained to you i dont know how many times... No "secret alliance", no "secret communications"... just a whining ass that cant play the game so he cries to mommy and slanders active and honorable players because they know what they are doing.

I believe the moderators should very much look into this and punishment should be issued to a slandering player like you. Our images in the game and forum are respectable and just like in real life you cannot just accuse someone and make allegations recklessly.

[DaveRH]

And I bet Novak was using the same strategy against you. Your strategy sounds very much like an alliance.

You can call it strategy, but that doesn't change what it is. The game went for 13 rounds before the two of you even touched each other, despite having multiple army set borders with 1 defending army for multiple turns.

And then magically when I accuse you two of a secret alliance, you start attacking each other like mad and barely touching me.

I guess it was just the strategic time to do it , eh?

[Novak9]

OK the reason i never attacked webdevil was because only hellraiser666, dark one, and brokken, and me were on the podium, which is the only area i wanted, but since I had people near u on the tabloid and USA today I attacked you from there and tried to conqure print media,the rest of my armys were surrounded by the people who dropped out and I didnt want to waste solders killing already dead people, so i could not attack anyone exept from the podium in which i intended to turtle there till i got more ppl. Webdevil wanted the liberal lobby and was intent with taking it over and wasn't paying attention to me in the podium (Which he didnt want to waste his men attacking me, when he could use them to defend his country). Review the Game log closely, I spent all of my armys trying to get back the podium (Which U kept attacking, so i spent all my solders there) and taking print media. Webdevil was in the liberal lobby... Why do u keep bringing up that we never attacked each other from Print Media to Liberal lobby... ITS CAUSE WE WERE BUSY... me keeping the podium and he was trying to take over the Republicans, and then from Adam he attacked me at east security.

Dude, seriously get the bug out of your ass and start another game, add me to ur ignore list, I DONT CARE, Ive moved on with my life, no longer will you be able to trample across my peaceful mind.

Novak9

[DaveRH]

You know an awful lot about webdevil's strategy for the game considering you claim you weren't allied and don't even know him at all.

After I was eliminated as a threat because both of you were attacking me... (you should follow your own advice and look at the logs btw you came at me from the podium first. Seems leaving someone's continent alone only works when it's got 1 army borders) You both continued to attack me, instead of each other...that is until I accused you guys of being in an alliance or a multi. Then you started attacking each other mysteriously.

When you look at the logs, it's as plain as day that you two were cooperating.

[AAFitz]

When you look at the logs, it's as plain as day that you two were cooperating.

actually it isnt....it was a terminator game...its obvious they were trying to take someone out for their points....which of course is the goal of terminator...many focus on the weak players

these guys have played 2 games together...play a few more before you accuse more players, or youre going to run into a lot of resistance...ive played 1500 of these in here, ive posted 3 cheating reports...certainly ive seen some that were fishy, but not enough to warrant an accusation
youve played 5, and this is the second accusation...you are the reason higher ranks dont play lower ranks...you think you understand the game, and are experienced but have no idea what its like to play hundreds or thousands of these back to back with many variables with many strangers...you think you understand the game, but you do not...

now right now you do not believe this, but after playing 200 or 300, you will see what I mean, which is why Im wasting my time with this....until then....id use a little restraint...or you will be on so many ignore lists you wont be able to start a game...

[webdevil]

I have never used an ignore list before, but sounds like this is the occasion.

Dave, hopefully you read the response in the game chat regarding this resolution. AAFitz, thanks.

[DaveRH]

Novak claimed early in the thread "... And Webdevil is not Responding cause he almost NEVER talks..." later they are claiming they don't know each other. How does Novak know anything about Webdevil if they don't know each other. How does he magically seem to have intimate knowledge of exactly what Webdevil's strategy was and why he wasn't attacking him and only me for the entire game.

Look at Novak's records most of his games include the players that happened to drop out the game we played.

This smells rotten from every angle you look at it.

I never accused your dad of cheating, I didn't even look at the game. I said leaving single army borders when a continent is for extended periods of time is collusion. Show me a bunch of games that are going right now where opponents who aren't allied are leaving 1 army on their shared continent borders for several turns.

Immaterial of that fact, they spent the entire game attacking me when I was the dominant player and when I was the weaker player.

Right after I accused them of cheating, the stopped attacking me and started attacking each other, I spent 2 turns with 1 or 2 territories and 4 cards. Why didn't one of them kill me and take my cards?

When the mods finally get to this report, I'm sure they'll find the truth.

[webdevil]

Dave,

I dont know where you are coming from. You keep coming back with this... they had 1 guy on a border. Any experienced player knows that strategy can require a passive position (dont wake the dragon, dont fight on two fronts). I am done defending myself... i have no less than 40 games going at any one time.

You have been on here for a month and played 6 games !!!!
(Only one of which was a type 'terminator' game; this one)
Come back in about 6 months with a premium membership and 50 concurrent games going. You know the story of the boy that cried wolf... since i start EVERY game i play and you are on my ignore list i dont have to deal with you anymore. Keep up the accusations... good luck finding any good players on here that let you even join a game.

PS... i currently sit around 500th place at any given time. Out of almost 19000 active users. I take pride in my games and play the board as a whole.

But i could be wrong. The infinite wisdom of the guy playing his first terminator game (on the boring ass senate board to boot) must have it all down pat.

Get a clue... or go play CLUE ! This is obviously not for you.

This is my last post on this thread/topic and i welcome the mods to disable your account and prevent this kind of slander from getting thrown on other serious players.

[AAFitz]

I never accused your dad of cheating, I didn't even look at the game. I said leaving single army borders when a continent is for extended periods of time is collusion. Show me a bunch of games that are going right now where opponents who aren't allied are leaving 1 army on their shared continent borders for several turns.

first off, dont be coy...you at least indirectly accused him with your post with your silly little *sarcasm* quote, so dont back track...

secondly, i have 6 or 7 games with one borders..and have played hundreds with one borders that went unattacked without alliances....i posted them in the thread you poked into to share your finite wisdom...go take a look....some of them include games with a one border with every player in the game...again...you do not know what you are talking about...you cant understand how someone could leave a one as a border, because you have never seen it...because youve played on the board, and havent played hundreds or thousands as the players I play...

again...if you survive in here for more than a couple of weeks, youll see what I mean...but until then....I wouldnt spread any more of your insight, because its naive and inexperienced...but worse, you believe it to be fact when it isnt

tell you what...you asked here are some...take special not to the one with the multi hunter, the second highest pos feedback on the site, and a moderator...they both let me collect my bonuses and I had ones...so, by your theory...they have an alliance...which since it isnt posted is cheating...because no one uses that as a strategy...or....clearly....


...............................youre wrong......................


http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=238696#gmtop
ive had one borders on europe for about 70 rounds on this one
http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=310884#gmtop
for the first half of this game, i had one borders on my territory and it wasnt broken by either of the other 3 players...perhaps I had an alliance with all of them?
http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=246701#gmtop
i dont think i ever had more than one army on nova scotia....another alliance

but this ones the best by far...one of the mods, and a multi hunter didnt attack my one borders and take my bonus......they must be cheaters too...lol...you may need to rethink your catch phrase there...clearly...there can be one borders without alliances...
http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php#gmtop
point is, there is a way to capitalize on leaving unprotected borders and not attacking them...it happens all the time...these games are with some of the better players on the site....now either they are cheaters too, or they arent good enough to spot me cheating, or ...you dont know what youre talking about....guess which one it is...and for the record...im currently in second for points in that tourney...it was pure luck, but believe me...you cant break every bonus in every game of every play

ive played hundreds like this...and very rarely enter into alliances, and then only if someone asks me...so consider yourself edjucated....I realize you still dont believe it...that takes experience and seeing it for yourself...but I want you to remember this conversation when you find yourself in a game with a bunch of one borders...and then you see me post your silly quote in there, so you can remember how smart you thought you were...

[Novak_9]

Novak claimed early in the thread "... And Webdevil is not Responding cause he almost NEVER talks..." later they are claiming they don't know each other. How does Novak know anything about Webdevil if they don't know each other.

Dave, you want to know how I know he never talks...(Suspence) I... looked at his records (HOLY SHIT THAT WAS AMAZING), Do It ur self, you'll be shocked on how much you will learn. And two words for you Terminator Game, in which you kill the weakling, and guess who the weakest was...(more suspence)...you...(DAMN IM GOOD!!)And the people who dropped out were my friends from school... so naturally... (the most suspence i've ever felt)...we played games together..(F*CK YES)

So lets review shall we... one. Terminator game, two. you suck, three. Webdevil is good, four. you still suck, five. you played five games and won one, six. TERMINATOR GAME, seven. You really do suck.

*sarcasm* Take your accusations and your five games and let me show you where to put them *sarcasm*

[billydigital]

I have met webdevil before. He is a stand up dude. I will vouch for him as a non-cheater.

[DaveRH]

8: Novak9 and Novak_9...two different accounts, same guy.


Can an admin look at this already?

[Novak9]

Wow super good detective work Dave... ya i have two people, novak9 is mine and novak_9 was made by a friend (during school), and when school ended he gave him to me (he has no internet). And i kept playing on him... and i forgot which guy i was on when i posted my last comment.

Dont start thinking I use these two accounts to cheat... cause it would b odvious to have Novak9 and Novak_9 in the same game.

And F.Y.I the game is over... u lost, DROP IT!

[AAFitz]

8: Novak9 and Novak_9...two different accounts, same guy.


Can an admin look at this already?

dave, you have a lot to learn about the games...especially the one borders, but there are a lot of accounts here...it will be interesting to see how this one turns out...

this may all be legit, but honestly, it does deserve a look into it seems

you have to be patient with these...especially ones this complicated take time

im not making any accusations here, but certainly when there are this many accounts in one game, and one player playing two names that are essentially the same...it has to be investigated to rule out multi...if you were making games with both of them, you will probably be busted...if youre just playing out your friends games that he left...you might have some explaining to do, but should be fine...