Conquer Club

Accused:

K-Rock
Goring
Badger1584



The accused are suspected of:

Conducting Secret Diplomacy




Game number(s):

Game 11789614


Comments:

Initially K-Rock got me suspicious by backing up a weird challenge to me from badger1584: K-rock breaking my bonus for me breaking badger1584's. Wouldn't have been SO weird if K-Rock didn't have to come from the northeastern-most part of the map to the southwestern-most. Come to find out they play regularly together. Then when I was clearly in the lead I noticed K-Rock had started his turn and allowed quite a bit of time to elapse. After 14 or so minutes of K-Rock being dormant, Goring started his turn. Goring successfully broke my bonuses, and only 3 minutes after ending his turn, K-Rock finally deployed his troops, got a card, and ended his turn, over twenty minutes after starting it.

2012-10-25 22:38:48 - K-RocK received 3 troops for holding von Leeb
2012-10-25 22:38:48 - K-RocK received 4 troops for holding Leningrad Army
2012-10-25 22:38:48 - K-RocK received 5 troops for 15 regions
2012-10-25 22:38:56 - K-RocK played a set of F6- Pays De la Loire, C5- Balaton, and vL3- Sarema worth 8 troops
2012-10-25 22:38:56 - K-RocK got bonus of 2 troops added to vL3- Sarema
2012-10-25 22:52:05 - Goring received 2 troops for holding East Germany
2012-10-25 22:52:05 - Goring received 1 troops for holding Berlin
2012-10-25 22:52:05 - Goring received 5 troops for 17 regions
2012-10-25 22:52:10 - Goring played a set of B6- Bulgaria, E2- Rastenburg, and V2- Limoges worth 6 troops
2012-10-25 22:52:53 - Goring deployed 14 troops on W2- Hamburg
2012-10-25 22:52:59 - Goring assaulted W1- Army Group H from W2- Hamburg and conquered it from foo1ishfoo1
2012-10-25 22:53:05 - Goring assaulted D6- Holland from W1- Army Group H and conquered it from foo1ishfoo1
2012-10-25 22:53:10 - Goring assaulted D1- Belgium from D6- Holland and conquered it from foo1ishfoo1
2012-10-25 22:53:13 - Goring assaulted D2- Ardennes from D1- Belgium and conquered it from foo1ishfoo1
2012-10-25 22:53:17 - Goring assaulted F3- Field Marshal Montgomery from D2- Ardennes and conquered it from foo1ishfoo1
2012-10-25 22:54:10 - Goring assaulted vB7- Brest from vB4- Kiev and conquered it from foo1ishfoo1
2012-10-25 22:54:18 - Goring assaulted C2- Slovak State from C3- Hungarian 3rd Army and conquered it from foo1ishfoo1
2012-10-25 22:58:41 - Goring reinforced vB1- Minsk with 19 troops from vB3- Poltava
2012-10-25 22:58:41 - Goring ended the turn and got spoils
2012-10-25 23:01:27 - K-RocK deployed 10 troops on L7- Smolensk
2012-10-25 23:01:31 - K-RocK deployed 10 troops on vL1- Belostok
2012-10-25 23:01:34 - K-RocK assaulted P4- Sandomierz from vL1- Belostok and conquered it from foo1ishfoo1
2012-10-25 23:01:40 - K-RocK ended the turn and got spoils

This is far from the first time these individuals have been questioned as to their fair play, though in other games they were in association with a player named Coopershawk.

Thanks for your time.

This is a game that's still ongoing. Were you hoping that posting an abuse complaint would change the tactics of three of your remaining four opponents?

This seems a bit like you're trying to use the threat of mod sanctions to bully players in an ongoing game.

Not at all. I am fully expecting to lose the game to ramboseventyone, who has played the game admirably. The others' most recent action is fairly blatant secret diplomacy. If I had no suspicion I wouldn't have had cause to check their previous affiliations. If K-Rock had started his turn, played it, and broken my bonus I would have no complaint. But the fact that he started, waited for so long for Goring to start, and finish, his turn before even his deployment, is strong evidence that behind the scenes conversation and planning, or "diplomacy" was taking place.

K-Rock's initial move against me was questionable, and possibly only poor tactics, but added together I feel the two actions more than substantiate my suspicion.

I have never before made any allegation against a player or group. I hope never to again. I have had more than my share of games turn against me, but all in the FAIR play of the game. I would gladly forfeit this game if it meant that 3 fewer cheaters had a chance to unfairly stack the game in their favor.


*edited for punctuation, which I'll admit is still questionable.

Is there anyone more annoying than symmetry himself? No, I don't think so.

foo1ishfoo1 wrote:Not at all. I am fully expecting to lose the game to ramboseventyone, who has played the game admirably. The others' most recent action is fairly blatant secret diplomacy. If I had no suspicion I wouldn't have had cause to check their previous affiliations. If K-Rock had started his turn, played it, and broken my bonus I would have no complaint. But the fact that he started, waited for so long for Goring to start, and finish, his turn before even his deployment, is strong evidence that behind the scenes conversation and planning, or "diplomacy" was taking place.

K-Rock's initial move against me was questionable, and possibly only poor tactics, but added together I feel the two actions more than substantiate my suspicion.

I have never before made any allegation against a player or group. I hope never to again. I have had more than my share of games turn against me, but all in the FAIR play of the game. I would gladly forfeit this game if it meant that 3 fewer cheaters had a chance to unfairly stack the game in their favor.


*edited for punctuation, which I'll admit is still questionable.

It's a six player game, one of which is you, one of which was eliminated at the time of the post, and you're accusing three of the others of secret diplomacy before the game has finished/

ad10r3tr0 wrote:Is there anyone more annoying than symmetry himself? No, I don't think so.

Thanks for the contribution.

Symmetry, did you read my post? When better to see the foul than while the game is in play? I suppose you yell at your tele when the football refs call a penalty during the game solely for lack of a complete match by which to judge the offenders? Reply with a rebuttal to my assertions if you must, but make some coherent argument if you wish to continue with your impotent defense of players you have no stake in defending.

foo1ishfoo1 wrote:Symmetry, did you read my post? When better to see the foul than while the game is in play? I suppose you yell at your tele when the football refs call a penalty during the game solely for lack of a complete match by which to judge the offenders? Reply with a rebuttal to my assertions if you must, but make some coherent argument if you wish to continue with your impotent defense of players you have no stake in defending.

I don't like to see people abuse the cheating and abuse forums to intimidate other players, especially when it's as blatant as this- an ongoing game accusing three out of four of your opposing players, and with no real evidence.

And indeed, when you're posting stuff like this:

2012-10-26 05:05:36 - foo1ishfoo1: Red, fair warning, pink, blue and green are engaged in secret diplomacy.
2012-10-26 21:27:04 - ramboseventyone: I guess we will see what the next turn holds eh. thanx for the heads up.

Without proof in order to change the outcome of the game.

You forgot this:

2012-10-19 16:52:02 - badger1584: yellow if you want blood you got it
2012-10-19 20:16:39 - foo1ishfoo1: I've just always fancied owning the balkans.
2012-10-23 20:25:09 - foo1ishfoo1: So I take it you and pink are friends, green? Sure was nice of him to sweep in and protect you.
2012-10-24 13:58:24 - K-RocK: no, i just saw the opportunity and the fact that you were growing strong...
2012-10-24 21:14:26 - foo1ishfoo1: so the fact that you've played 40 of your 61 games with him is just random chance? Seems a bit fishy to me


And you still have yet to refute the evidence I have posted. Give me a plausible explanation for K-Rock's most recent action.
Occom's razor says this,

K-Rock: Oh shit, I would have to fight through 25 of Goring's troops to get to Foo. Better call Goring.
K-Rock: Goring, take your turn real quick. Try to take out Foo's bonuses, then fort out of von Bock. If you don't break them I'll cut across and do it. If you do I'll set up next to rambo and take the east. You can have the west.

Note that K-Rock(pink) responded to me as if he were Badger1584(green).

Again, I welcome a moderator to disqualify me from this game, I'll gladly lose the points if 3 cheaters are no longer rigging games.

foo1ishfoo1 wrote:Note that K-Rock(pink) responded to me as if he were Badger1584(green).

So now you think they're multis? Actually you might have a case there.

I'm going to go back on my previous cynicism. Foo kind of persuded me to to a bit more research.

Goring- Canadian- "Joined:Sun Nov 13, 2011 7:11 pm"
K-Rock- Canadian- "Joined:Sun Nov 13, 2011 8:02 pm"
Badger1584 - Canadian- "Joined:Mon Nov 14, 2011 5:39 pm"

I think I was way wrong on this, and Foo's gut was right. These guys know each other.

Sorry for being a dick Foo.

I don't think the mods will do anything till the game is over though.

I appreciate your apology, but I still must fault you on assuming I was being a douche before checking my claims.

Alls forgiven, though. As far as internet unpleasantness goes, you were mild.

foo1ishfoo1 wrote:I appreciate your apology, but I still must fault you on assuming I was being a douche before checking my claims.

Alls forgiven, though. As far as internet unpleasantness goes, you were mild.

No problem- I was clearly a douche- usually I check sources more thoroughly, and I'm kicking myself for not having done so here. I'm usually skeptical of people who post complaints while a game is continuing- often it looks like an attempt to manipulate the game via the mods.

From experience though, the mods won't touch this until the game is finished.

Based upon the evidence in the game in question, and the fact that they all do seem to play quite a few games with each other, I agree with the OPs assessment that this was a case of Secret Diplomacy.

K-Rock and Goring are Warned for Secret Diplomacy
Badger1584 is Cleared of Secret Diplomacy, as Pink was just defending his own move from the chat posted.