Conquer Club

Accused:

Terry Sore



The accused are suspected of:

Other: Attempted game throwing



Game number(s):

Game 11472115


Comments: Tired of these noobs sabotaging assassin games. This is 3-player, I am green, Terry Sore is blue. My target is him, his target is red, red's target is me. Also his stupid bullshit about hoping red would deadbeat... he hit me prior to red missing that one turn.


2012-08-03 12:50:29 - Game has been initialized

2012-08-03 13:03:31 - Dibbun assaulted Rio de la Plata from Buenos Ayres and conquered it from Terry Sore

2012-08-03 13:09:34 - Terry Sore assaulted ? from ? and conquered it from Dibbun
2012-08-03 13:09:51 - Terry Sore assaulted ? from ? and conquered it from Dibbun

2012-08-04 13:10:18 - gazza trot missed a turn

2012-08-04 13:15:21 - Dibbun assaulted Montevideo from Belen and conquered it from Terry Sore
2012-08-04 13:15:32 - Dibbun assaulted São Pedro from Belen and conquered it from Terry Sore
2012-08-04 13:15:35 - Dibbun assaulted Valles from São Pedro and conquered it from Terry Sore
2012-08-04 13:16:01 - Dibbun assaulted Buenos Ayres from Rio de la Plata and conquered it from Terry Sore

2012-08-04 13:27:17 - Terry Sore assaulted ? from ? and conquered it from Dibbun
2012-08-04 13:27:26 - Terry Sore assaulted ? from ? and conquered it from Dibbun
2012-08-04 13:27:38 - Terry Sore assaulted ? from ? and conquered it from Dibbun


2012-08-04 15:19:20 - Dibbun assaulted Montevideo from Valles and conquered it from Terry Sore

2012-08-04 15:20:32 - Terry Sore assaulted ? from ? and conquered it from gazza trot
2012-08-04 15:20:40 - Terry Sore assaulted ? from ? and conquered it from gazza trot

2012-08-04 23:56:48 - Dibbun assaulted Rio de la Plata from Montevideo and conquered it from Terry Sore
2012-08-04 23:56:54 - Dibbun assaulted Asuncion from Rio de la Plata and conquered it from gazza trot
2012-08-04 23:56:59 - Dibbun assaulted Porto Alegre from São Pedro and conquered it from Terry Sore
2012-08-04 23:57:08 - Dibbun assaulted Curitiba from Paraná and conquered it from Terry Sore
2012-08-04 23:57:26 - Dibbun assaulted Buenos Ayres from Rio de la Plata and conquered it from Terry Sore

2012-08-05 00:53:04 - Terry Sore assaulted ? from ? and conquered it from gazza trot
2012-08-05 00:53:12 - Terry Sore assaulted ? from ? and conquered it from Dibbun

2012-08-05 05:35:01 - Dibbun assaulted San Luis from Puelches and conquered it from Terry Sore
2012-08-05 05:35:04 - Dibbun assaulted Cordova from San Luis and conquered it from Terry Sore
2012-08-05 05:35:06 - Dibbun assaulted Buenos Ayres from Cordova and conquered it from Terry Sore
2012-08-05 05:35:09 - Dibbun assaulted Mendoza from Cordova and conquered it from Terry Sore
2012-08-05 05:35:12 - Dibbun assaulted Catamarca from Cordova and conquered it from Terry Sore
2012-08-05 05:35:59 - Dibbun assaulted Asuncion from Rio de la Plata and conquered it from gazza trot

2012-08-05 05:40:09 - Terry Sore assaulted ? from ? and conquered it from Dibbun
2012-08-05 05:40:13 - Terry Sore assaulted ? from ? and conquered it from Dibbun
2012-08-05 05:40:18 - Terry Sore assaulted ? from ? and conquered it from Dibbun
2012-08-05 05:40:26 - Terry Sore assaulted ? from ? and conquered it from Dibbun
2012-08-05 05:40:29 - Terry Sore assaulted ? from ? and conquered it from Dibbun
2012-08-05 05:40:35 - Terry Sore assaulted ? from ? and conquered it from Dibbun
2012-08-05 05:40:45 - Terry Sore assaulted ? from ? and conquered it from Dibbun

2012-08-05 06:33:53 - Dibbun assaulted Rio de la Plata from Montevideo and conquered it from Terry Sore
2012-08-05 06:34:00 - Dibbun assaulted Buenos Ayres from Rio de la Plata and conquered it from Terry Sore

2012-08-05 06:36:17 - Terry Sore assaulted ? from ? and conquered it from Dibbun
2012-08-05 06:36:33 - Terry Sore assaulted ? from ? and conquered it from gazza trot
2012-08-05 06:36:46 - Terry Sore assaulted ? from ? and conquered it from Dibbun
2012-08-05 06:36:54 - Terry Sore assaulted ? from ? and conquered it from gazza trot


I left out red's turns other than the first miss because there's nothing suspicious about them.

Terry Sore, my target, has taken 15 of my territories and 5 of his target's. I have had to break his target's bonus twice because he refuses to do anything about him. In game chat, he admits that he does not give a f*ck about the integrity of the game and is attacking me out of vindictiveness.


2012-08-04 15:10:29 - gazza trot: gl
2012-08-04 15:18:41 - Dibbun: hey blue you're aware that this is an assassin game right?
2012-08-04 15:18:47 - Dibbun: and that your target is red and not me?
2012-08-04 15:19:10 - Dibbun: and that red is about to take the paraguay bonus, probably because you haven't been hitting him?
2012-08-04 15:30:11 - Terry Sore: Red was missing turns - its a sad tactic I know - but I was rather hoping he would deadbeat - fully aware its Assasin
2012-08-04 15:31:09 - Terry Sore: BUT if you keep hitting me hard, I will take my chances and hit you and not Red
2012-08-04 15:31:30 - Terry Sore: Its a better tactic than missing turns
2012-08-04 15:40:24 - gazza trot: Calm down boys, it's not a tactic. I got drunk last night, apologies I missed my go as I did in other games. I'm back now.
2012-08-05 06:10:54 - Dibbun: seriously blue do you have any idea what an assassin game is? I guess because of fog you can't see what I can, but red is pretty powerful probably because YOU AREN'T HITTING HIM despite the fact that he's your target
2012-08-05 06:17:02 - Dibbun: you have taken 13 of my terits vs 3 of red
2012-08-05 06:17:07 - Dibbun: are you intentionally game throwing?
2012-08-05 06:30:55 - Terry Sore: Piss off
2012-08-05 06:35:56 - Terry Sore: I told you if you kept hitting me I would help Red win - I meant it !
2012-08-05 06:39:33 - Dibbun: cool, reported
2012-08-05 06:44:46 - Terry Sore: no problem - check the rules

Pretty obvious gamethrowing.

Pretty much someone being an utter asshole, foe him, rate him, and wait for the mods to do something about it.

Probably a warn for first offense, ban if second

He should get a 1 month ban.

Point Dumping
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i am not intentionally throwing this game - i am strategically trying to negotiate my own survival - Green thinks he will walk all over me whilst I only attack Red - where does it say i can only attack my opponent in an assasin game - i have forced Green into attacking Red (my target) in order to ensure his own survival after he has made a number of attempts to take me out of the game - excellent strategy by me - I dont want Red or Green to win - thats for me - far to strategic for Green to grasp this fact - I feel sorry for him (big kid)
Admit it - I have out played you - and you have gone off running calling me a cheat - and that sir - i am not !

Terry Sore wrote:i am not intentionally throwing this game - i am strategically trying to negotiate my own survival - Green thinks he will walk all over me whilst I only attack Red - where does it say i can only attack my opponent in an assasin game - i have forced Green into attacking Red (my target) in order to ensure his own survival after he has made a number of attempts to take me out of the game - excellent strategy by me - I dont want Red or Green to win - thats for me - far to strategic for Green to grasp this fact - I feel sorry for him (big kid)
Admit it - I have out played you - and you have gone off running calling me a cheat - and that sir - i am not !

You have not out-played him.

In an assassin game, if you go out of your way to hit someone other than your target, you're game throwing.

You're supposed to hit your target, not the person hitting you

Clearly we disagree - the aim is to win the game (kill off your opponent target) it dosnt matter who reduces him to the point of inefectiveness - so long as you actually deliver the fatal blow - it dosnt say anywhere that I can not attack an aggressor who is attacking me - this is a vindictive acusation of cheating by a child who needs to grow up.

Terry Sore wrote:Clearly we disagree - the aim is to win the game (kill off your opponent target) it dosnt matter who reduces him to the point of inefectiveness - so long as you actually deliver the fatal blow - it dosnt say anywhere that I can not attack an aggressor who is attacking me - this is a vindictive acusation of cheating by a child who needs to grow up.

What you clearly do not grasp is the fact that everytime you hit green you weaken him up for red to win the game,not you.

Game log shows most of your assaults are on green,ergo point dumping.the fatal blow is going to be red killing green with your help.

Thats considered cheating.

jgordon1111 wrote:

Terry Sore wrote:Clearly we disagree - the aim is to win the game (kill off your opponent target) it dosnt matter who reduces him to the point of inefectiveness - so long as you actually deliver the fatal blow - it dosnt say anywhere that I can not attack an aggressor who is attacking me - this is a vindictive acusation of cheating by a child who needs to grow up.

What you clearly do not grasp is the fact that everytime you hit green you weaken him up for red to win the game,not you.

Game log shows most of your assaults are on green,ergo point dumping.the fatal blow is going to be red killing green with your help.

Thats considered cheating.

^

Extreme Ways wrote:

jgordon1111 wrote:

Terry Sore wrote:Clearly we disagree - the aim is to win the game (kill off your opponent target) it dosnt matter who reduces him to the point of inefectiveness - so long as you actually deliver the fatal blow - it dosnt say anywhere that I can not attack an aggressor who is attacking me - this is a vindictive acusation of cheating by a child who needs to grow up.

What you clearly do not grasp is the fact that everytime you hit green you weaken him up for red to win the game,not you.

Game log shows most of your assaults are on green,ergo point dumping.the fatal blow is going to be red killing green with your help.

Thats considered cheating.

^

+2

With due respect for your opinions as to my game strategy - I am not a cheat - I have only employed a strategy that has been used by others against me many times - in fact it occurrs in every game played in Conquer Club in one form or another - dont know why your all putting in your penny worth - i will only heed what the mods say - and they will need to prove to me that i have breached a rule.

Terry Sore wrote:With due respect for your opinions as to my game strategy - I am not a cheat - I have only employed a strategy that has been used by others against me many times - in fact it occurrs in every game played in Conquer Club in one form or another - dont know why your all putting in your penny worth - i will only heed what the mods say - and they will need to prove to me that i have breached a rule.

No honor

jgordon1111 wrote:

Terry Sore wrote:With due respect for your opinions as to my game strategy - I am not a cheat - I have only employed a strategy that has been used by others against me many times - in fact it occurrs in every game played in Conquer Club in one form or another - dont know why your all putting in your penny worth - i will only heed what the mods say - and they will need to prove to me that i have breached a rule.

No honor

A poor strategy is not cheating, or game-throwing. And frankly, given that this is a game still in progress, it may well not even constitute poor strategy.

I'd say it's pretty dishonorable to post cheating and abuse reports while a game is being played in order to force an opponent to alter their strategy.

Even casually clicking on the players profile shows that far from being the "Noob" the OP suggests, he's played more than 2000 games, far more than Dibbun in fact.

Youve only played 11 assassin games out of your last 500 Terry ....Hardly a basis to formulate a winning strat ...in fact you won what 3 ?
BR

I don't think your strat is working... try another one other than throwing the game...

Terry Sore wrote:With due respect for your opinions as to my game strategy - I am not a cheat - I have only employed a strategy that has been used by others against me many times - in fact it occurrs in every game played in Conquer Club in one form or another - dont know why your all putting in your penny worth - i will only heed what the mods say - and they will need to prove to me that i have breached a rule.

the reason we're "putting in our pennies worth" is the fact that mods listen to the opinions of people who post in this forum and use those opinions to help inform their judgement...

Barney Rubble wrote:Youve only played 11 assassin games out of your last 500 Terry ....Hardly a basis to formulate a winning strat ...in fact you won what 3 ?
BR

He's played 78 overall given my searches. You have played 10 and won 2. Presumably you would accept that he has more experience formulating a winning strategy.

Barney - I didnt know that - thanks its about a 30% win rate (higher than my overall game average) - honestly guys please back off - if you want some proper entertainment read the rating chart comments left for the two principle complainers - and if you get bored with that, then read the forum posts - these two guys have a history of complaining and accusing and being rude - I have done nothing wrong - just brought the tactics of this game to a different level (I am ex military with +22 years service) anyone who needs coaching in tactics and strategy - at least in the principles of war - I will be happy to oblige !

Symmetry - thanks for your support - just read your posts - you are one of the good guys

Terry Sore wrote:Barney - I didnt know that - thanks its about a 30% win rate (higher than my overall game average) - honestly guys please back off - if you want some proper entertainment read the rating chart comments left for the two principle complainers - and if you get bored with that, then read the forum posts - these two guys have a history of complaining and accusing and being rude - I have done nothing wrong - just brought the tactics of this game to a different level (I am ex military with +22 years service) anyone who needs coaching in tactics and strategy - at least in the principles of war - I will be happy to oblige !

Symmetry - thanks for your support - just read your posts - you are one of the good guys

Username:
Terry Sore
Rank:
Sergeant Sergeant
Score:
1361
Games:
2016 completed, 509 (25%) won


thanx... I'm good...

I was in the military as well... I was an electrician and when there is an open in the circuit the current will not flow...



There is nothing tactical nor strategic about the fact that red owns the Rio Grande do Sol, Uruguay, Paraguay, and Gran Chaco bonuses and that regardless of our actions next turn on red's next play I will be eliminated.

Your call in chat for me to agree to hit your target in order for you to back off of me shows you have positively no respect for the integrity of the game. You said it yourself that you were hitting me as punishment for my attacks on you.

In short, you would rather throw a game than play a game, and the intentional nature of your sabotage is what led to this report. You should not be playing on this site when you resort to such obscenely dishonorable tactics in response to such a logical campaign from my part. If you had only hit me to card or break a bonus we would not be here but you have been caught in several lies and have changed your story so much that you have no idea what the "principles of war" even are, just the principles of sabotage and deceit.

rhp 1 wrote:

Terry Sore wrote:Barney - I didnt know that - thanks its about a 30% win rate (higher than my overall game average) - honestly guys please back off - if you want some proper entertainment read the rating chart comments left for the two principle complainers - and if you get bored with that, then read the forum posts - these two guys have a history of complaining and accusing and being rude - I have done nothing wrong - just brought the tactics of this game to a different level (I am ex military with +22 years service) anyone who needs coaching in tactics and strategy - at least in the principles of war - I will be happy to oblige !

Symmetry - thanks for your support - just read your posts - you are one of the good guys

Username:
Terry Sore
Rank:
Sergeant Sergeant
Score:
1361
Games:
2016 completed, 509 (25%) won


thanx... I'm good...

Aye, pretty much backs up Terry Sore's claims. He ain't a noob, and his win rate on assassin games is higher than his general average.

I was teeth arms - thats Infantry to you - not a sparky - not saying you dont have a skill for deception and conceit - just that you would not survive on a battlefield - go hide somewhere safe !

WHY didnt you show the actual game map - it shows the true position !

Terry Sore wrote:WHY didnt you show the actual game map - it shows the true position !

Do you know what fog of war is?

Symmetry wrote:I'd say it's pretty dishonorable to post cheating and abuse reports while a game is being played in order to force an opponent to alter their strategy.

Good point. It's sort of on the same level as organisations who launch pre-emptive libel suits to prevent publication of the truth.

This is a somewhat spurious report from the start..

Just because it is assassin, doesn't mean you can only attack your target. Although I have only played 5 assassin games, in both of the ones I won, I attacked my attacker as well as my target.

If I hadn't I would certainly have lost, and in order to win, it is perfectly likely that you will have to attack the person who has you as their target, since you cannot rely on their attacker doing the job for you, and of course if they did, then you would have lost anyway. It is also the only way to ensure that you are not taken out.

So basically in assassin games you will generally have to attack most of the other players not just your target.

IMO Blue's actions here are perfectly within the rules and also quite sensible.

Symmetry wrote:

Barney Rubble wrote:Youve only played 11 assassin games out of your last 500 Terry ....Hardly a basis to formulate a winning strat ...in fact you won what 3 ?
BR

He's played 78 overall given my searches. You have played 10 and won 2. Presumably you would accept that he has more experience formulating a winning strategy.

and Dibbun seems to have won around 30 ish out of over 140 assassin games - which would suggest his strategy is somewhat worse... maybe try attacking your attacker as well as your target Dibbun.. it is within the rules.. and seems to work