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machrs - suiciding[Cleared]SN

PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:34 am
by Kingm
Accused:
machrs

The accused are suspected of:
Suiciding
Giving away a game on the last turn in a round limit game (Abuse of the game)

Game number(s):

Game 11114570

Comments:
After my turn in the last round I had over a 300 troop lead, and I tried to be a little funny, and also wanted the players to just be fair and wrote in this in the chat
2012-07-18 06:31:21 - Kingm: even with my lucky 3 card set, I don't think I have a shot, it sucks bigtime going first when its round limit, atleast when there is 7 players left..
2012-07-18 06:32:18 - Kingm: but I could try this.. guys, you know if I win you loose less points if somebody else wins? atleast something to consider for you guys that don't have a shot at it ;)


And it looked great before untill my one player who had a shot had his turn uckuki, but he stopped when he was behind evertonian in troops, but then machrs played the last turn in the game, and he killed just as many troops so I don't win, when he had no shot at all to win himself, I would not bitch if he had even a 1% shot at winning, but even with a perfect dice he had 0.0% at the win, or if it benifited him in the tourney, but the group was decided a long time ago, and the final has allready begun.

So imo it can't be okey for people to just give the game away, just because they did not like something you wrote in the chat..

Re: machrs - suiciding

PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 11:13 pm
by jltile1
Maybe think about joining those games ?? Just a thought

Re: machrs - suiciding

PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 11:36 pm
by ubcman64
one of the many reasons i dislike round limit games.....live and learn

Re: machrs - suiciding

PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:38 am
by hmsps
Personally if this is not a gross abuse of the game I don't know what is, he suicided into to stop you winning although he had no chance himself.

Re: machrs - suiciding

PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:54 am
by benga
LOL seems like the joke is on you!!

And why would it be gross abuse the game?

machrs made the reply at the end that fits your crime

Re: machrs - suiciding

PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:18 am
by DJPatrick
agree that you got what you deserved for your "tried to be a little funny"...instead of pps rolling over for you to save themselves points loss, one retaliated by ensuring YOU were the one who lost the MOST points...You admit the game was still in the balance at the start of the last turn....maybe your stand-up comedy act needs a little polish.
BTW...machrs was still alive at the end of 30 rounds same as the rest of you so NO suicide...I applaud his actions as a warrior after my own heart.

Re: machrs - suiciding

PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:01 am
by afroaction
That was cheap, no doubt about it, He had no way of winning, committed suicide, and handed the game to a lower rank just because. But don't give a low rating for it, nor tag him that, because lord knows you'll be abusing the rating system, and you'll get reported, and have all the wrath of all those bleeding C.C. Hearts in CC land crying foul!


Btw this post has been up for few hours now and no insightful post from General Risk yet, he's really slacking off Eh? I really really hope he's all right?:?

I guess i have to stay up all night waiting for his always delightful input! 8-[ 8-[ 8-[

Re: machrs - suiciding

PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:20 am
by Campin_Killer
Suiciding isn't a rule break. FAMO, and rate accordingly

Re: machrs - suiciding

PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:55 am
by SlayerQC
Campin_Killer wrote:Suiciding isn't a rule break. FAMO, and rate accordingly

Isnt it? Throwing the game is. Kingm, machrs is on my foe list for rating abuse, foe him and rate accordingly. Expect a bad rating. Funny how rotten apples, stay rotten.

Re: machrs - suiciding

PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:38 am
by jgordon1111
played alot of games with machrs in the past,I have never seen him play other than try to win, and by the chat I take it he might not have been amused with your idea and in his own way showed you what he thought of it. But suicide no it wasnt that either he was alive at the end.

He might have been praying for some of those Random super dice.

Re: machrs - suiciding

PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 1:04 am
by Donelladan
Hey all,

As I have been told, one suicide isn't an abuse. It must have happened in several games to be considered by the mod's.
So even if he obviously did suicide, there is no case.

Re: machrs - suiciding

PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:33 am
by DJPatrick
For ALL those saying /repeating THAT MACHRS "suicided"...get a grip...he DID NOT...he did NOT attack someone knowing that he would be killed...He could NOT be killed...you need to re-assess your views re games with round limits...again, FOR THE HARD OF HEARING, this was not suiciding...this was deciding, on the last turn, who would NOT win...NO rule break here...maybe you guys need to rethink your strategy in these games...as said, if Kingm did not clearly have enough troops to win the game whatever happenned, then he should not have been so smug...IMO he got what he deserved =NO SUICIDE HERE!!!

Re: machrs - suiciding

PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 9:59 am
by ubcman64
DJPatrick wrote:For ALL those saying /repeating THAT MACHRS "suicided"...get a grip...he DID NOT...he did NOT attack someone knowing that he would be killed...He could NOT be killed...you need to re-assess your views re games with round limits...again, FOR THE HARD OF HEARING, this was not suiciding...this was deciding, on the last turn, who would NOT win...NO rule break here...maybe you guys need to rethink your strategy in these games...as said, if Kingm did not clearly have enough troops to win the game whatever happenned, then he should not have been so smug...IMO he got what he deserved =NO SUICIDE HERE!!!


i agree....he still 500+ troops on the board. does that sound like suicide? not to me. he chose a target and attacked. plain and simple. if KingM had kept quiet, he most likely would have won.

Re: machrs - suiciding[pending]SN

PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:27 pm
by bjonte
This is probably not a cause for mods to react upon, but it is certainly a good enough reason for me to react. All I can do is to foe the guy. One less sad player for future games. The problem is that it is too many of such, it is hopeless to foe 'em all..

Re: machrs - suiciding[pending]SN

PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:40 pm
by nietzsche
2012-07-17 21:32:18 - Kingm: but I could try this.. guys, you know if I win you loose less points if somebody else wins? atleast something to consider for you guys that don't have a shot at it ;)
2012-07-18 16:26:12 - uckuki: you worry too much, most people are not aware of round limit lol
2012-07-18 17:01:56 - machrs: gg all
2012-07-18 20:28:42 - Kingm: wtf machrs???
2012-07-18 21:39:54 - machrs: you cant just ask for a win thats not right....


IMO what Kingm did was wrong. machrs showed him. It'll be lame if machrs gets punished by this.

Either way machrs was going to decide, by not attacking him he was letting him win, and by attacking him he decided green won. So he chose that the point whore paid for his lack of class.

Kingm was asking exactly for this kind of behavior from the other players, exactly the same, that is attack others so he can win, but when it didn't go in his favor he fills a report?


+1 for machrs
-1 for Kingm

Re: machrs - suiciding[pending]SN

PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 9:22 pm
by jgordon1111
nietzsche wrote:
2012-07-17 21:32:18 - Kingm: but I could try this.. guys, you know if I win you loose less points if somebody else wins? atleast something to consider for you guys that don't have a shot at it ;)
2012-07-18 16:26:12 - uckuki: you worry too much, most people are not aware of round limit lol
2012-07-18 17:01:56 - machrs: gg all
2012-07-18 20:28:42 - Kingm: wtf machrs???
2012-07-18 21:39:54 - machrs: you cant just ask for a win thats not right....


IMO what Kingm did was wrong. machrs showed him. It'll be lame if machrs gets punished by this.

Either way machrs was going to decide, by not attacking him he was letting him win, and by attacking him he decided green won. So he chose that the point whore paid for his lack of class.

Kingm was asking exactly for this kind of behavior from the other players, exactly the same, that is attack others so he can win, but when it didn't go in his favor he fills a report?


+1 for machrs
-1 for Kingm


So what you are saying nietzsche is that KingM asked players to throw the game and point dump,and when machrs chose not to cheat kingm made a butt hurt report on him.

As I previously said I have played with machrs,and he seems to have honor.KingM asked him to put it aside for a victory for himself.

Re: machrs - suiciding[pending]SN

PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 1:35 am
by Kingm
jltile1 wrote:Maybe think about joining those games ?? Just a thought

I will in the future, even though I love tourneys, but when something like this happens, then I have to choose more carefully, but in my defense it was no round limit when the tourney started, it was put on because of a stallmate on hive in the earlier stages..

benga wrote:And why would it be gross abuse the game?
machrs made the reply at the end that fits your crime

imo its abuse giving away a game just because you don't like the player who is leading and you don't have a shot at the win..
and what crime? asking everyone to play fair? and by fair I don't mean just giving me the game, but to play smart, either just deploy, or hit me some but some, but not more then to be the player with the 2 most troops and hope someone continous, I know machrs did not have this option, since he went last and had no way to win the game..

DJPatrick wrote:agree that you got what you deserved for your "tried to be a little funny"...instead of pps rolling over for you to save themselves points loss, one retaliated by ensuring YOU were the one who lost the MOST points...You admit the game was still in the balance at the start of the last turn....maybe your stand-up comedy act needs a little polish.
BTW...machrs was still alive at the end of 30 rounds same as the rest of you so NO suicide...I applaud his actions as a warrior after my own heart.

never asked anyone to roll over, just asked those players who did not have shot, to consider that if I won they would loose less points (imo that would be worth considering, even though points is not all).
in balance? it was realy just 3people who could win, and the other 2 evertonian and uckuki both would have needed someone to suicide in to me, or atleast everyone to take a big chunk out of my stack..
and I guees you are right, he was "alive", but it was a suicide, what else would you call it, if there one more turn he would be dead, and there is no way to kill themselves on here own turn.. so this is the closest you get on CC.. and warrior after youre own heart? realy?

jgordon1111 wrote:played alot of games with machrs in the past,I have never seen him play other than try to win, and by the chat I take it he might not have been amused with your idea and in his own way showed you what he thought of it. But suicide no it wasnt that either he was alive at the end.

He might have been praying for some of those Random super dice.

yeah, I got that he did not like what I wrote, fair enough, but he could have given me a bad rating or something like that..
Like I said in the original post, if he had even a 1% shot at, hell lets say 0,1% shot, I would not bitch about it, or okey would probably bitch a little, but I would not make a thread, I have a snapshot, so I could run the numbers if you would like, but I can say that without a doubt he would have max 0,0000000000000001% shot at it, he would have to kill 300 guys of mine (that he did do) but he would have to kill lets say 200 of 3 other players and stay ahead of the last 2, it was impossible, even with a perfect dice it would have been hard (and with troops counts i they 700-800 regions, whats the odds of a perfect dice).

DJPatrick wrote:maybe you guys need to rethink your strategy in these games...as said, if Kingm did not clearly have enough troops to win the game whatever happenned, then he should not have been so smug...IMO he got what he deserved =NO SUICIDE HERE!!!

ok, what did I do wrong, other then to write in the chat, imo I played a near perfect game, nothing else I could have done (and I deserved to get that win).. and I realy did not mean to be smug, and I don't think I wore either, and I can't realy understand how so many of you think I deserved that, so what you are saying is that you would be just fine with it if it happend to you?

ubcman64 wrote:i agree....he still 500+ troops on the board. does that sound like suicide? not to me. he chose a target and attacked. plain and simple. if KingM had kept quiet, he most likely would have won.

so what you guys are saying is there is no way to suicide when you have the last turn in a limit game?

nietzsche wrote:IMO what Kingm did was wrong. machrs showed him. It'll be lame if machrs gets punished by this.

Either way machrs was going to decide, by not attacking him he was letting him win, and by attacking him he decided green won. So he chose that the point whore paid for his lack of class.

Kingm was asking exactly for this kind of behavior from the other players, exactly the same, that is attack others so he can win, but when it didn't go in his favor he fills a report?

ehh, were did I ask anyone to attack any other? never asked anyone of that, if thats what you get out of my statement then I guees I am writing worse english then I thought I did.. and I am no point whore, just look over my games, yeah I think its fun with points and trying to climb even higher, but its just one of the many things that is fun about CC, and by far not the most important thing for me, if I wore a point whore would I have joined a tourney full with privates and sergants? and lack of class,, omg, never heard that one before.. Have I pissed you of or something before? and if yes, how? lol, you made me almost more angry at you then on machrs, and I usualy like what you write in GD :P

and I don't file a report just to file (this is my first one, and I have seen a lot of shit in my 1500 games, but this is by far the worst), so I thought it deserved a report..

Re: machrs - suiciding[pending]SN

PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:16 am
by DJPatrick
kingm...you say machrs "suicided" because if there was one more turn he would have been wiped out....BUT: there was NOT one more turn...you loudly proclaimed it In your attempt "to be a little funny"....machrs knew it so though it may qualify as self harm it was not "suicide"....if there are to be hard and fast rules to cover this situation in a Trench with Round Limit game is up to Mods to decide but such rules do not exist (and in my opinion, nor should they)...
You ask would I be happy if it happenned to me? I always try to place myself in such a situation where come the last round it can't happen...and if it's a matter of dice rolls at the end...I don't complain.
You also accuse machrs of "game abuse" for giving away a game. Refer game 11244547...I gave away that one (to the lowest ranked opponent) on the very last turn (with step by step instructions on how to take it away from me -winner till he started his go - and the others, as a matter of honour...
If machrs is really the worst you have seen in your nine months on the site, you have lived a charmed life indeed...

Re: machrs - suiciding[pending]SN

PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 9:32 am
by sniffie
I reviewed and decided to clear. Even if he had no shot at winning, which is your opinion, probably not his, nobody can expect him to just "sit the game out".
Attacking might even hurt his chances even more but that's for him to decide.

If you do not wish to play this player again, foe and rate accordingly.

sniffie

Re: machrs - suiciding[Cleared]SN

PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 5:19 pm
by nietzsche
Kingm

I may have cross the line calling point whore, but if you don't think what you said in that game chat was low class then.. you are?

Imagine if everybody did that, help the higher ranked player win... And you directly asking them to, that was no good, and machrs showed it to you.

You seem to be a nice person, and keeping your cool after all of our attacks shows you are a mature person, yet you still cannot see that what you did was wrong?

Does is mean that you would do it again?

Or that you do it regularly?